Churches to discriminate.

@MsTickle (25180)
Australia
September 26, 2009 7:22pm CST
First off let me say that I do not like the avatar for this interest. Secondly, I'm possibly gonna get waaay over my head here so let me say I appreciate your response but I may not comment back. I'm pretty flabbergasted by what I read but I have not been able to formulate an opinion coherently so I'll be looking forward to reading your views. The Victorian government is expected to announce on Sunday that religious groups will be allowed to discriminate against gays and single mothers http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/6104482/church-can-reject-gays-single-mums/ I can understand discriminating against gays....(I did not say I condone it or agree with it.) But to discriminate against single mothers to me is appalling and stupid. What reason would they have for doing this? Will the next step be to stone single Mums? Young widows with children are single MUms. I could go on but I'll stop now so you can have your say.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
27 Sep 09
First I don't think any religion has the right to discriminate against gays, and certainly NOT single mothers. Heck, my mother was a single mother as my parents got divorced when I was only a year and a half year old....so that is SO wrong to discriminate against single moms...as you point out young windows are single moms also--what nonsense!
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
27 Sep 09
Thanks Pye, I knew I could do it and I tried earlier and ended up changing my avatar for my "cat" interest. I now have a cat interest avatar about athiests...lol. As for single Mums, I feel sure that when they look into this or the shyt hits the fan, whichever comes first, they will realise how ludicrous it is to shut out single mums.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
27 Sep 09
Religion avatar - image of a religion avatar
PS--you can change the religion avatar to one you like I have this one as my religion interest and which shows up whenever most religion topics show up For a whole selection of religion avatars go here: http://www.mylot.com/w/lists/13_94984/images.aspx?p=1
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Sep 09
MsTickle oh that fries my temper to a crisp. This stupid discrimination against gays, and now single' mothers is dumb,disgusting, and downright dangerous. I thought church people where supposed to be Christ like, and that is not the way Christ would have acted. Also one of my best friends is gay and a better, more decent person you would never meet.I am heterosexual 'but so what, a friend is a friend. so if you are anti=gay please do not jump all over me. I am a Christian by the way.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
27 Sep 09
No Hatley, I'm not anti-gay or anti-Christian. I'm a person who tries to be tolerant and non-judgemental. This idea of discriminating against single mothers makes absolutely no sense.
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28 Sep 09
Yeah, this is quite disappointing! Jesus wants us to love another, but some people who claim themselves as Christians are doing the opposite. They're basically putting a bad taint to Christianity. I really think they should watch this http://www.lordsaveusthemovie.com And I hope one day, they'll learn how to be considerate.
• United States
27 Sep 09
I was raised roman catholic and my priest would not baptize my first child because she was born out of wedlock. I just went a few blocks down the street to another roman catholic church that was more than happy to take my money and baptize my kid but this kind of thing isn't unheard of here in the states. This is partly the reason I am no longer a practicing roman catholic. I think the churches are sending the wrong message. If the god they are worshiping would discriminate then those people who are being discriminated against will just find a "different" god to worship or worship in a different way. Hopefully one that doesn't require putting 10% of your income in the collection plate every Sunday.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
27 Sep 09
Yeah mate, those RCs are greedy b@st@rds for sure. Wouldn't it be a shame if thery help the world poor or even just the poor in their own parish. They probably disagree with the lifestyle. Same thing happened to me. My first babe was a few months old and the local priest refused her a blessing because she was not baptised....wtf? What was that about "suffer the little children to come unto me". I was so sad for my daughter. I was only 17 and my husband was away having being conscripted into the army. Turns out, that was the same day I left the church.
27 Sep 09
Hi Ms Tickle, Thisd is so disgusting, I thhought the God is love? so what is that all about,as for discriminating against gays are totally wrong never mind about single mothers, I thinl these people should get a life, what kind of teaching is that, these so called churches should be closed down!!! they are the ones that are evil and narrow minded. Its Gods church, not theirs and God welcome all to worship him. Call themselves christain? Baff!! Tamara
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
27 Sep 09
Yes, I'm baffled too tamara.
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@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
27 Sep 09
I was always taught that God's instructions to us was to Love One Another. Never once when hearing this sermon did I hear, Except For.... If churches want to really practice what they preach, then ALL members should be welcome, regardless of their background or personal lives. What amazes me is that otherwise good people good along with these practices by remaining church members. If these same members attended services at other parishes for a couple of weeks, the clergy of the offending parish would surely see the error of their discriminatory practices when the look at empty churches and collection baskets collecting nothing but dust. I would imagine that these sort of announcements could be good for the business of competing churches. All they need is the publicity that they proudly welcome ALL members.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
27 Sep 09
Oh they are not turning gays and single Mums away from the church itself. Thjey jjust don't want to have to employ them.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
27 Sep 09
Frankly, it's one I'm coming to expect.
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@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
27 Sep 09
That's even worse, in my humble opinion. All churches rely on donations from members for their existance. This policy sends a message of, Give us your money, because we sure as heck are not employing you to give you ours. What kind of message is that???
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@Noliah (24)
• United States
27 Sep 09
I had to read this article more than a few times to make sense of it, and still, I'm not 100% sure of the facts. Still, from the understanding I did come to, it seems to me the discrimination the article speaks of is in the workplace and as far as I could tell, has nothing to do with who is allowed to attend church services (Who would want to go where they're not wanted, when there's always another church around the corner?). At this point in time in Victoria, religious organizations are allowed to discriminate against gays and single mothers. As unfair and distasteful as that seems to be, it's legal there. Remember, this is in Australia, so don't automatically assume that their laws always reflect our laws just because they speak English and get along with the USA. This appears to be all about the rights of certain employers to discriminate against gays and single mothers. It's currently allowed, but a change in the laws seems to be coming. (Welcome to 2009, Victoria) I believe there is probably a lengthy list of pros and cons concerning both sides of the argument. I also believe that discrimination is everywhere. In most cases, this nasty habit is very hard to prove, so regardless of the laws, narrow minded idividuals and groups will continue this shameful practice. First post! Yay me, and "howdy".
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
29 Sep 09
No worries....myLot is an International site though and some Americans seem to overlook that fact. It's a pet peeve of mine...apologies if I was curt.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
28 Sep 09
Hi, I was a bit confused as to your use of the "our" and "their" pronouns. This situation is occurring in Australia, I am an Australian...just what were you presuming? I will agree with you that discrimination is everywhere. That's not going to change anywhere, anytime soon.
@Noliah (24)
• United States
29 Sep 09
Clearly, I did jump to a conclusion and presume that you were American. I'm not known for being sharp as a tack in the late evening hours. Beyond that, I meant no offense, in case that's what you were presuming.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
27 Sep 09
They are making a rod for their own back, although I wasn't surprised in reading this discussion, but then I am not religious and is it any wonder why? The church certainly isn't as popular as it used to be and this is hardly likely to enamour people to the church is it? And what about some of the 'fiddlers' in the church? Hypocrites, I can think of other words to use but I refrain. I gave up religion at 15, I've been more than happy to be without it all this time. The Church still thinks has inpunity against the common law! Sadly it will never change it's role of chief discriminator.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
28 Sep 09
Well said wolfie. I've never been that "into" the church myself and as I was raised a catholic I've always had a horrid crush of guilt over this. I'm surprised to see that many people are quite enlightened and know only too well the shortcomings and failings of the churches. Church (and by church I mean the clergyman as well) should be a place where anyone can go to feel safe and to atone for things they have done and to seek solace, forgiveness and comfort. If the church is going to be able to discriminate about whom they hire, how long before they will be discriminating against their members...but then again as we have seen from some responses (and my own experience) they are in fact already doing this.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
27 Sep 09
TEll ya what that isnt fair to any one I dont care what thier life style is. Like ya say some single Moms cant help being single if they arre widowed!!! THis is one way to turn people against teh churches!
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
28 Sep 09
And they need to be looking at their own dirty laundry.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
28 Sep 09
thats for sure!
@slickcut (8141)
• United States
29 Sep 09
Well i am sure there will be churches that will allow single mothers to worship...I think it ia unfair to do this just because mothers are single....It is stupid like you said...But when one door closes another one will open ,so i am sure there will be places that the single Moms can worship...
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
29 Sep 09
I truly agree with what you say here slick but in this instance they are talking about employess, not church members. I still think the same for employees though.
@slickcut (8141)
• United States
29 Sep 09
PS If i were a single mOM i wold nOT want to be a part of a church like that anyway..
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
27 Sep 09
It all makes sense, Ms Tickle, in view of the fact that more and more churches are being operated as businesses rather than spiritual institutions. The churches are taking a page from the same book when they feel they have the right to accept or refuse people based on whatever grounds they see fit. In my opinion churches are supposed to provide sustenance for the soul, and it is never the right thing to do when they deny access to anyone. One of the main reasons I stopped attending church many years ago is because I got tired of seeing so many wrong things done within the church.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
28 Sep 09
Yes, it would have to come to to a matter of pettiness on the part of the hiring clergy. They should welcome the opportunity to provide the sinner with a new path. If they are going to be able to discriminate against gays and single Mums does that mean they will be hiring child molesters and paedophiles? Many of the defrocked Catholic clergy would be a shoe-in for the job.
@enola1692 (3323)
• United States
27 Sep 09
Well I can't see anyone discriminateing against anyone like I told my kids it dont matter we al bleed the same color an I was discrimated against when my daughter was born I was married to the dad an 18 years later i am still with him but everyone told me I have to get the baby christen an when I went to the priest he said my baby has 3 marks against her first she was concieved before we got married an god forbid i married out of my church i married a baptist an as far as the 3rd thing i don't know what it was cause i was crying because he had me believe I condemed my baby to hell of course i know better now
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
28 Sep 09
They really do need to be careful because those sorts of actions against you ( if you read the responses, I had a similar experience as did another member) can have a long lasting and terrible effect.
@enola1692 (3323)
• United States
28 Sep 09
so true
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@superaren (209)
• China
27 Sep 09
I kexin understand the discrimination against homosexuals,but the discrimination against single mothers,I think these people are not ignorant.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
27 Sep 09
Not sure what you mean here but thanks for your input.
@IMEzekieL (498)
28 Sep 09
Personally, I hate discrimination. I guess everyone does. I'm a Christian but I don't really like the idea of a church practicing the act of discrimination. This isn't something that Jesus wants. He taught us to love one another but it's quite disappointing that some churches are doing the opposite. This corrupted religious extremists should watch the documentary entitled, Lord Save Us From Your Followers http://www.lordsaveusthemovie.com/ It will certainly open their eyes to what other people feel about Christianity and how it disappoints them.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
28 Sep 09
Ooops! Got a 404 on that one. Thanks for your input anyway.
29 Sep 09
Oh, just key in lordsaveusthemovie.com in your browser's address bar.
• United States
27 Sep 09
First of all if they are discriminating over anything then they are not a true church first of all. Second gays come from god and that makes them just like anyone else. As for single mom's they are just like married mom's for they do the same things just times 2 so in all aspects they are better then married for they are doing double duty. No one ever said they were smart and maybe one day before it is to late they will repet and get right with what they do.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
28 Sep 09
Yes, I think they are acting out of pure small mindedness. They are certainly not looking at the big picture. Now hiring....single Mums need not apply but murderers and paedophiles okay.
@nannacroc (4049)
27 Sep 09
This just shows how ridiculous some of the higher ups in the church are getting. At this time when many soldiers are dying and leaving widows and children, how can they even think of discriminating against single mums. Have they forgotten Jesus' preaching. How can you lump all single mums into one category? There are good and bad single mums as there are good and bad married mums. No wonder the church is losing so many people.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Sep 09
I think a church should have the right to reject anybody they want. But I would never go to a church that discriminates like this. I think it's stupid too. I suppose they think they're fighting immorality in some way or something. Everybody who disagrees with this should find a different church, I think.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
27 Sep 09
They are talking about church employees, not members. But I still agree with you.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
27 Sep 09
Hi Ms Tickle, well I'm not very keen on the term single mother to start with with its implications in some cultures, but luckily no one here has labelled me as such, which is just as well as I think I'm the only one, and I do live alone with my child. I reserve the right to discriminate against any church as I see fit and have always done so but contrarily like the one out here which as far as I know does not employ women but rather men in long black dresses. They are very pleasant types who have never shown discrimiantion but often plonk themselves down at the same cafenion table for a coffee. So I would just say if a church employs discrimintaion then discriminate back.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
27 Sep 09
Completely the wrong impression I gave there Ms Tickle, ours are happily married but in no way averse to a bit of kamaki.
@advokatku (4033)
• Indonesia
27 Sep 09
I think this is anpopular policy and unwise. This policy too has ignored human right on behalf of religion
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
27 Sep 09
Good point, right on. Absolutely.