Forcing someone against their will because YOU think you know better.

United States
September 30, 2009 12:11pm CST
NO. [i] Your lips say no but your eyes say yes.[/i] NO, I don't want to, please stop. [i] I know what's good for you, just lay back and take it, stop fighting, you'll like it![/i] No. I said no, "NO means NO!" You don't know what you're talking about, I know best, stop fighting, you'll like it. You'll thank me for it when it's done. I know some proponents of forced socialized medicine want to compare Americans who resist to a battered woman who stays with her abuser, so I offer you up my own analogy. The proponents of forced government control who fully dismiss the words of those who resist actually sound a lot like date rapists.
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• United States
1 Oct 09
Obama threatening to fine us if we don't get health insurance is simply a ploy to get universal care passed. It's a "if you don't do this, then I'll give you a way worse alternative." It's crap, it's dirty politics, and our President should be ashamed.
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• United States
1 Oct 09
"sounds like blackmail to me." Racism! You have to call it extortion now, or else it's a slight against Obama. Nobody would say "blackmail" if he wasn't "black."
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
1 Oct 09
sounds like blackmail to me.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
1 Oct 09
or at least like a spoiled rotten kid throwing a temper tantrum. I think he honestly believed he'd be given carte blanche to do as he pleased and now that he's seen just how angry the American people are, he's pouting and having a fit.
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• United States
30 Sep 09
Wow. I will be checking back on this topic to see how your responses go. I think some people will not like the idea gov run social programs considered rape. But just so you know....I agree with you. If I don't want it....why should I have it forced on me. Don't I have the right to say NO and mean NO too?
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@megaplaza (1441)
• Nigeria
2 Oct 09
Didn't some people in afghan and iraq say no to the invasion of their country. Didn't america act as if they know what is good for those people. This is clear double standard.
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• United States
30 Sep 09
Well tough noogies if they don't like it, I don't like it when foreigners compare Americas who resist the government take over to battered women who stay with their abuser. I don't like it when I'm told I'm stupid or ignorant for daring to resist what I think is going to be harmful to my country. I don't like it when someone who doesn't know me presumes to know what's good for me even though they will not have to live with the consequences that I and my children will have to endure. Thanks for your support.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Sep 09
It's a pretty fine line since there are times when the government does need to "force" things on us "for our own good", but those times are few and far between. Those who are against the war in Iraq feel that it was just as forced on them as we feel universal healthcare is being forced on us. Our incomes and spending are taxed against our wills, "for our own good". The force here isn't that some people want the taxpayers to cover our medical expenses as much as it is the way Congress and the President are trying to do it. In the case of the war in Iraq, our representatives had ample time and opportunity to discuss and debate it. Our voices were represented the way the US Constitution intended. Our voices in Congress are being silenced by The Central Committee. It's not a matter of not being heeded, it's a matter of not being allowed a place in the debate. That's why this summer was so important. We the People held our representatives accountable for their willingness to just lay back and take it. We said "NO!" and made the Central Committee stop. The Central Committee is back, trying to convince us that being raped isn't so bad. We can either allow our representatives to submit, or we can continue fighting against it. In the end, there will be a winning side. Either we will have nationalized health care or we won't. That is how our Representative Republic works. The rape analogy doesn't fit if the outcome is based on open debate and a final, honest vote... but it fits all to well if we are gagged and beat down in the process.
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@miamilady (4910)
• United States
30 Sep 09
I don't have a problem with the idea of the government having SOME involvement in finding care for those who need and want it, but I don't agree with them requiring that everybody must have insurance or be fined. Interesting comparison on the date rape.
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• United States
30 Sep 09
Thanks for joining the discussion! I think if they REALLY wanted to HELP the people who can't afford healthcare NOW but do not qualify for medicaid due to being slightly over the income cutoff, they should RAISE the cutoff so more people who can't otherwise get healthcare CAN. This would not cost NEARLY as much as a full government takeover of ALL healthcare and its cost could be easily covered by kicking the people who are obtaining medicaid fraudulently off the rolls. They could also do something like NY and other states have done where if you fall in an income category that makes you ineligible for medicaid but can't get coverage through your job or afford it on your own, you can get it at a low cost (kids are covered either for free, for $9 a month or $15 a month based on your income and the coverage is actually quite good) or for free based on your income. Government is involved, but minimally and not too invasively; you get to chose an HMO from a list of participating providers and pick your own doctors.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
30 Sep 09
Not that the government is smart enough to figure out how much of your tax $$ go towards a specific program, or to administer this well, but wouldn't it be interesting if there were an opt out clause? You don't want your taxes to pay for XX program, so you sign a box saying you don't want to pay for that. You receive that amount deducted from your taxes in exchange for a pledge never to use it.
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• United States
30 Sep 09
That's a really interesting idea! Instead of fining people $1900 for not buying insurance (because they can't afford it) give them the option to opt out but make them ineligible for the government run plan instead of fining them another $25,000 or putting them in jail. Some folks prefer "alternative medicine" which is rarely covered by any insurance or medicare or medicaid anyway. Your idea may actually be something some folks would go along with.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
30 Sep 09
lol I just posted a discussion on it.
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• United States
30 Sep 09
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• United States
30 Sep 09
Amen, and the people we are supposed to show our soft white underbellies to is the same group that interred the Japanese, conducted secret experiments on soldiers, and God knows what else.
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@daliaj (5674)
• India
1 Oct 09
I hate forcing people to take up my opinion. I make sure that I give all the opnions as suggestions only. I don't like to enter into the personal space of people. I will never get too deep into their personal problems. If somebody asks my suggestion, I will give my sicere opinion and ask them to decide on whether to take it up or not.
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@irene3184 (898)
• Philippines
1 Oct 09
You can't force or control anybody against their will. No one knows better what you really wanted. Their are lots of cases I've heard in the news like this and this must be given justice like a battered wife. A husband don't have any right to do something against to her wife.
• India
1 Oct 09
every person has his own decision making, so no one has the right to force others thoughts which may hurt.. If u think your thought is correct better tel them slowely so that they understand it....