Writing for Helim Marketplace
By Canellita
@Canellita (12029)
United States
October 5, 2009 5:30pm CST
I am curious about something. I understand that when multiple people submit articles to helium's Marketplace the ones that are not chosen eventually make the transition to being competitive titles on helium. Does this mean people can see and rate the articles while they are being considered by the publishers just like with the contests?
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7 responses
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
7 Oct 09
I'm glad you asked that. I have been wondering this myself. I had the experience that while one of my articles was in the marketplace que that someone sent me a message of how much they liked my article and how it was unbiased. When it came out of marketplace it was rated at #2 of 92. It has been rated down since then. I think someone had to have seen it while it was waiting though. I don't think I like that idea when it is for a marketplace article.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
7 Oct 09
I don't like the idea either and up until now it has been part of my hesitation for not submitting articles as well as the money amounts they offer. I don't like the idea of taking all that time with a "real" article only to have it be competitive.
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@iakulchen (615)
• Singapore
8 Oct 09
I'm kind of under the impression that the only way for people to read your marketplace article was when they were rating it. There's this button "Praise and feedback for the writer" under the Rating box and I assume that's what they used.
Helium does need to have some way to sieve out the horrible marketplace submissions, and I suspect it would be a huge drain on manpower for Helium if they were to vet all the submissions, so I don't think it's likely that Helium will do away with the "marketplace article being seen while being rated part"
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
8 Oct 09
I still think even if people rate them they could go back and write their article for the marketplace article. I think they could get their ideas from the rating articles they have read. I'm not sure how that could be considered unique except they reword the article.
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@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
5 Oct 09
There are a few subjects that don't transition, the game reviews and the marketing ones. Those are stated in the assignment guidelines. The assignment guidelines are extremely important when writing for the marketplace. Follow them as closely as you can to have a chance at getting selected. The final decision comes from the publisher and NOT Helium. They are rated the same as contests. Unless the rules have changed since I submitted an article, yes you could rate your competitors articles. (It has been awhile since I put an article on Marketplace) However, the ratings don't count until after the transition. Let me stress this part, the publisher makes the final decision. They can choose the lowest rated article or the highest rated. This is why the submissions jump right before a deadline.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
5 Oct 09
Well at least there is some hope in that the publisher is making the choice based on their own criteria and not the way the rating goes. Sometimes the rating system completely frustrates me! It seems the best writers, those who are more established and have the most experience only rate articles late in the month which is not helpful if you enter a contest or are trying to move up to an additional writing star.
It's good to know the marketplace is somewhat independent of all that. I guess it's also good that even when articles are not chosen by a publisher they still have a chance to earn something in page view income.
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@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
6 Oct 09
There is still a chance to sell your article even after it has transitioned. Sometimes publishers go through the articles and when they find something they like, they purchase it as "stock" content. It is not nearly as much as if the publisher originally bought it but it is always a surprise when it happens. You still own the copyrights on it. I have had one that was sold as "stock content." It made me $5 from Helium, which allowed me to cash out for that particular month.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
6 Oct 09
I guess I just have to regain my momentum for helium. I decided to give the contests another try but then my computer problems interfered and my writing score started to drop. Not being abel to post and rate regularly put the nail in the coffin of my third writing star. My score is ridiculously low and up until now I have been unmotivated to write anything.
It would be nice to have some content picked up for stock though I am not sure I am posting to any of the categories where I would be likely to have something chosen.
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@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
5 Oct 09
Yes, they can. In fact when you are going through rating and articles that come up that are being considered by publishers it will say in bold letters to be very careful about choosing because these articles are being considered for publishers. So to answer your question it is a big definate yes. I wish you luck if you have submitted something.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
5 Oct 09
No, I have not submitted anything but I was curious. I really hate the whole rating system because I don't think enough of the right people participate. Participating in contests really messes up your writing score and if you have any kind of computer set back it can start dropping significantly from less activity as well.
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@greeneyedlady (1439)
• Netherlands
8 Oct 09
Hello Canellita! While I am sorry I can not respond to your question intelligently and give you an answer, because I do not know. Sorry! I did just want to stop by your discussion and say that I am happy to see you are still writing your articles and I am sure you are doing just great at it also!
@greeneyedlady (1439)
• Netherlands
9 Oct 09
Yes, ankle is better, cast off and getting around a lot better but I am still having a lot of pain with it now since the cold weather is coming. Unfortunately I was told it would be up to two years before it was completely healed!! If I had known that I wouldn't have broken it in the first place!! LOL
@Canellita (12029)
• United States
12 Oct 09
You are so funny! At least you can laugh about it! Maybe what you need is a pair of legwarmers?
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
9 Oct 09
Hi! Thanks for participating. How is your ankle? Are you getting around better now?
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
6 Oct 09
Hi Canellita, actually rating doesn't affect the selection by the publisher.
Some marketplace titles are very similar to the existing Helium titles anyway. Many writers who had articles in existing titles just rewrite their articles to suit the requirement of the publisher.
If those publishers want writers with certain qualifications, then the titles might not even attract three articles.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
6 Oct 09
Hi Canellita, Janice Brand ever said that if you want to write to a marketplace title, but then the publisher restricted the participation from general public, you can submit a new title for it through "suggest title".
In this case, you will write as Helium writer, and earn empty title bonus. I think it's a good idea. Some publishers are very specific about certain keywords, and you can write articles with those keywords too.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
6 Oct 09
Hi scheng! Long time to type to. I am glad to know that the rating has no bearing on the publisher's decision. Sometimes when I have seen marketplace titles with special requirements for the writer's credentials I have considered contributing anyway but I feel it is time I could be using for something that I know is more of a sure thing.
I may check the marketplace to see what new titles have been posted though.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
9 Oct 09
That is a great idea! I may start doing that with the education titles in the contests!
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
6 Oct 09
Hi Canellita. The articles I've sold go directly to the buyer and are used as they wish. The ones submitted and not sold, to be honest, I've never known what happens to them, so I'll be glad to see the responses to this question.
Karen
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
9 Oct 09
"speed rate"! My goodness, how to speed rate?
The only time I can speed rate is when one article is so bad that I can't even understand the first sentence!
I think you have to suggest more titles and write to empty titles. At the same time, rate more articles to improve your rating score. And use the same rating criteria for consistency.
It's sad to see that you can't write to marketplace anymore.
@Canellita (12029)
• United States
6 Oct 09
Hi Karen! How many marketplace articles have you submitted? Have most of them been selected? Did you feel like the pay was worth the work that you put in?
I have passed on some marketplace titles because I felt they were not offering enough for the amount of work I would have had to do to get the article out. Deadlines are a little difficult for me these days as well.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
8 Oct 09
Hi Canellita. I've sold six marketplace ariticles, $10 was the least I received, and $48 the most of those six. I followed the publisher's guidelines carefully and even won a prize along with payment for a real estate article I sold. The upfront payments cannot be beat, and so far, since I choose those subjects of which I'm already knowledgeable, I've never had to put more than 20 or 30 minutes into writing one. So absolutely, it was the best earning place for me.
But...recently, Helium has changed the marketplace drastically, and they only allow premeir writers to participate in all but the game review articles.
I never have kept a rating star long, and since I've sold over half of the marketplace articles I've submitted, it truly makes me question the validty of the rating system. I know the writing of a "pro" when I see it, and I also know full well when some of my articles meet that criteria, and yet are ranked far lower than amateur ones rated better.
I've also heard of some who "speed rate." You cannot do justice using that method.
And...I know I've seen too many articles that are not well enough written to be considered anywhere near professional. Again, it makes me doubt the validity of many who participate in the rating system. Since I am also an editor...it just doesn't all add up!!
Karen
@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
7 Oct 09
Yes, people do vote on the Marketplace articles, but the rating doesn't necessarily influence the people purchasing the article. I had one Marketplace article that was in first place, but didn't get selected. What the publisher wants and want people like may be two different things. I wish that the rating system didn't exist, frankly, but it's part of Helium, so what can we do?
I think it is very hard getting selected by a publisher for a Marketplace article, personally, even though I have sold them. Just my two cents!
@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
7 Oct 09
Very good suggestion! That's not to say there won't still be unethical people, but hopefully it would weed out a lot of the non-readers or those who just read the first paragraph and rate on that.
Have you written any Marketplace articles for Helium?
@Canellita (12029)
• United States
7 Oct 09
I think the rating system needs to be revamped. I think that 4 and 5 star writers should be the ones to decide which articles are "more valuable." The rating system should be based on spelling, grammar, punctuation, content and so forth and not on if someone likes an article.
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
8 Oct 09
Canellita, I could not agree more that the rating system needs a far higher criteria met. As for marketplace articles, those should be rated by "professional" writers or editors, only.
I've never been able to figure out how it is that I can sell to the marketplace numerous times, and yet NOT maintain even a single writing star. That makes absolutely no sense.