Obama's Natural Born Citizenship
By bestboy19
@bestboy19 (5478)
United States
October 9, 2009 2:12pm CST
Since August of 2008, at least 30 lawsuits have been filed against Barack Obama over whether he's a natural born citizenship, but not one has been allow to go to trial until Barnett vs Obama. Motion for Summary Judgment Hearing — December 7, 2009, at 8:30 a.m.
File Motion for Summary Judgment — November 16, 2009
Opposition to Motion for Summary Judgment — November 26, 2009
Reply to Motion for Summary Judgment — November 30, 2009
Final Pretrial Conference — January 11, 2010, at 8:30 a.m.
Jury Trial — January 26, 2010, at 8:30 a.m.
My family was discussing this case. If it should be found that Obama is not a natural born citizen, that should invalidate his administration. Would that include Joe Biden? And if it does, would Nancy Pelosi become President or would we have another election. John McCain can't become President because he wasn't elected.
Obama's Constitutional qualifications were never vetted by our election system, the Congress, the Supreme Court, the Department of Justice, or the Democrat National Committee even though this issue was brought before the public in 2008 by Hillary Clinton.
It's obvious that this could be a real mess, if it is found Obama is not a natural born citizen, and you can't blame the courts for wanting to sweep it under the rug,
after the fact; but there is also the question of setting a precedent.
So, if Obama is found to be ineligible, what do you think should or would be done, and what, if any, action should be taken against the government officials who neglected to do their job to make sure all candidates were qualified?
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6 responses
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
10 Oct 09
If Obama is found by this court not to be a natural born citizen then it's up to the House of Representatives to vote to impeach him for fraud as well as other charges. The case would then go to the Judiciary Committee and, upon a finding that there has been misconduct, the House would again vote on an article of impeachment. It would then go to the Senate for trial, followed by a vote which requires 2/3 majority to remove him from office.
The impeachment process is against an individual, not an entire administration. Joe Biden would become President once Obama was impeached. If the House wanted to file charges against him they would be separate and would follow Obama's. In the meantime, Biden would appoint someone to replace him as Vice President. Should he be impeached as well that person would become the president.
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@us2owls (1681)
• United States
10 Oct 09
His spending of well over a million bucks to keep his papers etc hidden is enough of a guilty plea. They should start impeachment proceedings immediately so that we can get rid of the garbage and let someone do the job of running our country instead of flying everywhere at taxpayers expense to do nothing. The Nobel Prize Committee need their heads examined too. Obama being nominated is an absolute disgrace to those who have been nominated and earned it. Oh well another vacation for Obama and his family - off to Copenhagen at taxpayer expense.
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
10 Oct 09
Spalladino, thank you for the civics lesson. It sounds as though the Congress can keep Obama in office if they choose. How does impeachment address Article 2, Section 1 Clause 5 of the Constitution? Obama would have had no right to be President in the first place, or to even run for that high office. If the Congress voted not to impeach him, what then? He's still not eligible.
@Troublegum (641)
• United States
10 Oct 09
Unfortunately this is all a legal issue not a matter of what we hope happens. There is a chain of command that fills in as people are take out of office (for whatever reason) The legal replacement for obama is Biden, but I am not sure what happens in the case where Obamas election comes into legal question because Biden was elected on the same ticket. Thus the possibility of Pelosi.
@artistry (4151)
• United States
10 Oct 09
..Hi there bestboy19, All I have to say is sit and wait for it. Hope you are not disappointed. :o) One other thing, were you this concerned and investigating
every thing that was written about Senator McCain being born in the Panama Canal, I am sure you weren't because that would have been totally acceptable to you and yours, for a man suffering from dementia to be president. As far as the man doing his job, I have never seen a president work as hard as this man is, in order to try to improve this country. So as someone said, his mother filed a birth notice in the paper, which has been verified along with his birth certificate, because they must have known that he was going to run for president some day. Good gosh! You guys should write fiction, you are brilliant with nonsense. Waste of time, when you should be thinking of ways that you could suggest to the Labor Dept., for creating jobs, for all the people who are in need, who are casualties, of the spectacular administration that just left office and left this country bankrupt. Carry on.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
10 Oct 09
John McCain's qualifications for President of the United States were verified. That was the difference between McCain and Obama. McCain was checked. Obama was not.
This discussion has nothing to do with Obama doing his job, which he hasn't. This discussion is asking what would happen if it is found out Obama isn't a natural born citizen and therefore not qualified to be the President.
"You guys should write fiction, you are brilliant with nonsense." Judge David O. Carter must not think this issue is nonsense. He's letting it go to trial.
"...you should be thinking of ways that you could suggest to the Labor Dept., for creating jobs, for all the people who are in need, who are casualties, of the spectacular administration that just left office and left this country bankrupt." Read Pat Buchanan's article and see if it might not help. http://buchanan.org/blog/hire-americans-first-2516 He has a good suggestion, or is he to conservative for you? If our last administration left the country in such bad shape, why did it not happen until the Democrats became the majority in the House and Senate? And why is it, all these plans Obama has had for the country, and which he has yet to have a hand in, are making things worse rather than better?
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
14 Oct 09
Consumer confidence is edging up, along with unemployment. You call that moving forward? Yes the president did inherit garbage. I suppose that's why he had the Apollo Alliance write the stimulus and cap and trade bills. He didn't trust the Democrat Congress. And you are right about him being a, "poor poor thing". He is a poor President. "It's all good, you know why, this president's name menas 'blessed', no accident...." He may be blessed, but this country won't be with him as President. One more thing, we will have to agree to disagree.
@artistry (4151)
• United States
11 Oct 09
..bestboy, oh bestboy, I can only take a little bit of Joe Scarborough's pal Pat I will pass, but thank you for the information. I would suggest you take a look at the stock market, which is a forecast for outlining months, to see how things are perceived as going, even consumer confidence is edging up. I think there will be another dip, but things will move forward. The president inherited all of the garbbarrge that is going on now if you would remember when he took office. This is the fallout of the Cheney/Greenspan era. But naturally if Obama does not fix it all in eight months, like ....yesterday, then he is doing nothing ...poor, poor things...The Congress and Senate certainly have a responsibility as well, but how many years were the Dems there, two, well la, de doh, this stuff was coming to the surface long before the Dems took over, but again naturally it all gets lumped on them. We will talk until the spotted cows come home and not agree, so alas let's agree to disagree.
It's all good, you know why, this president's name means "blessed", no accident, this is,............ is his time, and as I said to another non-lover of Obama, on this site, no amount of collective negativity will stop this train, if God lets him live, he will survive, prosper and be victorious for the country. So you might as well be of good cheer :o). Take it easy. Thanks for the conversation.
@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
13 Oct 09
Natural born citizen is a major requirement for US president. And just why do think that no one cared during the 2008 campaign when it mattered? I say, let it be! You can make your argument in 2012 and demand proof to natural born citizenship before validating candidacy! I am of the opinion that when any branch of a government makes a mistake in issuing a valid document from the presentation of a legal or illegal document by a legal or illegal person, then just let it be!
@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
19 Oct 09
FYI: Some early presidents did not meet that natural born citizen requirement.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
13 Oct 09
I got my information from an interview John Charlton had with Pamela Barnett in, "The Post & Email". You can go there and read it yourself.
This is a matter we shouldn't, "let be," if Obama isn't entitled to hold the office of President. (I'm not saying he is or isn't. I don't know.) To do so would set a precedent. What do you say to the next person running for President who isn't a natural born citizen? He could use Obama's presidency as an example of why he should be allowed to run.
@Troublegum (641)
• United States
9 Oct 09
If it were up to me I would say emergency election, but I think legally it would go to Biden or Pelosi not quite sure.
@us2owls (1681)
• United States
10 Oct 09
If it came to Mr. Obama being removed from office - which in my opinion it should - I would say that Biden would become President - I sure hope not Pelosi - she needs to be gone too because I think she has helped cover Obamas butt. I hope the people in pelosis' area have enough guts and common sense to vote her out of office.
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
10 Oct 09
Troublegum, I would like it to be an emergency election, but you're probably right.
Us2owls, Nancy Pelosi is from San Francisco, what do you think the chances are that they will vote her out?
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@UCantSeeMe (116)
• United States
10 Oct 09
this was bound to happen no matter who won the last election due to the fact that Mccain was born in panama. I think people need to stop tring to disqualify people and start acting like americans. It sickens me to think that people cant support thier own president even when bush was in office i stood behind him and supported him. I feel if you cant support your leader then get out of my country. As a US soldier it just makes me sick to see the lack of support for any government official.
With that being said there are some exceptions to that where political figures shouldnt be supported because of legal reasons but not because they havent made perfect choices.
I didnt join the Army to defend a country of whinea$$es and thats the bottom line.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
10 Oct 09
John McCain's natural born citizenship was checked, but you are probably right. Someone would challenge it.
This discussion is not about supporting the President, but what would happen if it turns out Obama isn't qualified to be President. As a soldier, you should know that the military has taken an oath to only follow lawful orders. If you are following orders from a usurper Commander-in-chief, they are unlawful and could lead to punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. And what is more, our soldiers fighting in wars, could be charged with war crimes.
Also, this discussion has nothing to do with the choices Obama has made, unless you mean choosing not to disclose anything that would tell us whether or not he is a natural born citizen.
There have been whine a$$es in this country since before it was a nation, so there's no help for it. If you join the military you're going to defend them. Did you join the military to follow the orders of someone who has no right to be Commander-in-Chief? Will you break you sworn oath just to support an unlawful President?
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
10 Oct 09
Thank you for responding. It has nothing to do with the subject, but I appreciate it anyway.
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