What is time?
By VVroom
@VVroom (255)
Romania
October 17, 2009 1:05pm CST
I do not expect scientific theories about time but a more philosophical approach. St. Augustin was once asked what is time? He answered ' I know what the time is. But now when you ask me, I don't know'. We experience time in a linear way, from the past, through present, to the future. It seems there' s no other way. It seems life is going on completely influenced by what happened in the past. Somehow we are the puppets of our past. We define ourselves as the today's result of our actions in the past seeing the world as a long chain of causes(in the past) and effects(now). Why did you caught a cold? Because a virus exposure in the past. Why did you graduate an University? Because you had the intention... in the past... to attend school. Because of the same thinking pattern we are doing things now always thinking about its effects in the future. After all, it's common sense. Well, it is common sense but it depends again from who is observing. There are people who are thinking different and I will detail it later. What do you think? What is time?
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5 responses
@Lucky09 (1763)
• Philippines
17 Oct 09
Hi VVroom^^;;
nice question here but i have nothing else to say since you have explained it very well...why are u asking then?
time is something that tells me i have to wake up, eat, take a shower, work, and mylot.
time reminds me the day i was born and time makes me old.
@VVroom (255)
• Romania
17 Oct 09
I was describing our common sense about time and in the end I said there are people who think different. That's why I asked, to see if you share the common sense about causality and the linear flow of time or not. And if not, what do you think? Nevertheless you wonderfully described it in your own words.. wake up, eat, shower, work, my lot, the day you were born, etc. A lot of separate events. But this is just your memory. In reality all your actions are flowing one into another. You can hardly say where waking up ends and where getting off the bed begins. Life is a continuous process, not at all a chain of separate events. When somebody is asking you what did U do today, your answer, everybody's answer will be well I had a meeting, i had lunch with Jessica, I watched a movie in the afternoon and then I came here. You perfectly know you did a lot of other things today in between the mentioned ones but you remember the most significant ones. After all is stupid to say, I waited for the green light, I crossed the street, threw my bus ticket in a bin, walking 4 steps straight then 5 steps at the right. Nobody will listen anymore... Well, that's how the mind works. That's why some human minds invented the so called 'History', which records separate, significant events while the time is passing by . The mind is remembering events and not life as it was lived by you and is attaching time limits to each one event. From that action of yours to that one. From the moment you saw him until you were in your car kissing him. Here is the problem. Our minds are Fragmenting the reality perception. Including time. Because if you look at it the other way, as a continuous flow, you will not need to put markers and define events. When you are looking at the flowing water of a river maybe you can say where the river begins. But you cannot say where the water begins. Right? What I want to say is that whenever we are judging the present by comparing it with the past, our mind is using a fragment of our memory, arbitrary limited which was already a fragment of reality in the moment of memory recording. A double fragmentation... Pretty insecure, isn't it? There's another thing. We are ONLY experiencing time by the 'now' moment. All the rest are theories and calculations. From the perspective of 'now', there is no past. Because it doesn't exists. It existED, not anymore. Now is now. Well...so what's the catch? The catch is that we should stop defining ourselves by what we did before and start defining ourselves by what we are doing in this very 'now' moment, the only possibility to meet time that EXISTS. The beauty of this is that... Now is timeless, you cannot measure 'now' and you cannot calculate now. Leaving our life now, without comparing it with the past and without projecting it in the future will put us outside time for real. And by the way, not time is making you old. Your perception about time makes you grow older.
@Xygatrix (103)
• United States
20 Oct 09
I see time as the 4th dimension. Matter can be measured in 4 different ways: height, length, width, and time. Imagine 4 lines coming together at perpendicular angles. From the point where they converge, you can go out in 6 different directions, 1 positive and 1 negative for each tangible measurement. Then, you can add one more measurement: time. You can measure where in the linear measurement of time the object is located, how much time it occupies, how old it is, etc. If time is a line, you can map out the objects location (in time) and age (in time).
To comment on the latter part of your post, humans always perceive cause effect. I think it would be weird to do it the other way around. I can't imagine experiencing time backwards from how we do today. An interesting concept.
@VVroom (255)
• Romania
22 Oct 09
I am familiar with what you are saying. It put my mind on fire, some time ago. Don't forget though, it is just a model of reality. And when science guys are creating a model, in fact they are creating a convention, they all agree about (well, not exactly all). It's the same old story to know ABOUT things and not to know the things as they are. But my intention was to go into a more philosophical and psychological direction and to make people think about getting OUT of time ( time= the concept of time from each mind and not the time from physics aka chronological time). Which is a different thing and can look esoteric somehow. It's about what our mind thinks in deep about time, in terms of everyday life. The main idea is that a certain chronological time, say 10 seconds can represent 10 seconds in psychological time, couple of month or 0,0001 seconds. I repeat, in psychological time. It's not about experiencing time backwards from how we do today, it's about NOT experiencing time ( actually, to experience it as few as possible) with our mind. It looks like a gateway for a longer youth, and therefore a longer life in chronological time, just by using the power of our brain. And that gateway is the now moment. Can you put dimensions on now moment in the model you described? Can you measure how long is 'now'? You know and I know the result is zero. And zero... can be also infinity, right? Which means the 'now' moment is timeless, right? You see the difference between dividing our life in events and dividing our life in 'now' s? Which by the way is more realistic, it's how our life flows.
It's true humans always perceive cause-effect; the point is: the cause is not what they think it is. Let me put it this way. You' re bungee jumping. The cause of you falling towards ground is not gravity but THE VERY FIRST THOUGHT about going to bungee jump. Which could have been, who knows when back in time. An 'event' is very hard to define this way ( see the post before this one). Without thinking in 'events', we can reprogram ourselves to think in 'now' s. Got my point?
@VVroom (255)
• Romania
28 Oct 09
Well guys, being convinced that the concept of time does not attract too many speakers, I will just end the circle with something that will probably make a lot of you think that my brain is mambo jumbo- ing with you. But he is not. So here it is: Time doesn't exist!
@ra1787 (501)
• Italy
17 Oct 09
That is a very interesting question, the is often seen as the result of cause-effect relations in a very linear way, the second law of thermodynamics can define time as the direction where the overall entropy grows accordingly to the linear concept of time.
There are many cultures who have a cyclical consideration of time, and i find this concept very fascinating, even without any scientific proof.
The two theories are not so much in opposition if we consider that the linear time can just be an approximation of a wider circular structure. (if we zoom in enough on a circle we will se something very similar to a straight line).
I've been thinking about what time since a long time ago but i've yet to come to any conclusion, and probably will never find one but it is the process of searching for an answer that is interesting after all rather than finding the answer...
@VVroom (255)
• Romania
17 Oct 09
Completly agree with you ra1787... the process of searching for an answer is the best part. I was expecting a more philosophic answer rather a scientific one. But anyway, the scientific part is part of the picture and it is needed in order to have the whole picture.
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@LightWarrior (131)
• Romania
30 Oct 09
Time is the man-made illusion that life ends. It was "invented" because people needed it, like any other thing on this planet, it's been used for ages and it's become more powerful than the inventor himself. Nowadays, people are subordinate to time, and that's mostly because of the scarcity of it. Human beings feel time passes by so quickly and they don't have time to do what they want to do anymore, forgetting that time should be subordinated to them, since it appeared as a need. So, instead of using the "invention", they bow to it. People who ignore time, have all the time in the world, and therefore live an eternity.
As a matter of fact, time only exists for it's inventors, the humans, and if we could ignore it we could observe there is no need for it anymore.