No death squads
By deebomb
@deebomb (15304)
United States
October 19, 2009 5:11pm CST
Florida is drawing up guidelines for the swine flu hospitalization. They are looking at baring any one with an incurable cancer, end-stage multiple sclerosis and other conditions from being admitted to hospitals if the state is overwhelmed by flu cases. It is also calls for doctors to remove patients with poor prognoses from ventilators to treat those who have better chances of surviving. This is for the worse case scenoreo.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message903669/pg1
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
20 Oct 09
I don't think turning away people, especially people who have already needed treatment in the past - like people with cancer, ms, and other long term illnesses or diseases, and patients who already have a reason to be in the hospital on a ventilator - is a moral or decent 'plan' for any state to make. I'm sure you didn't mean this to be funny, but I read 'godlikeproductions' and just about threw up. Nobody gets the right to play God with a flu epidemic.
If they have a shortage, hello, open up clinics, turn other buildings into makeshift places to hospitalize those with swine flu. At least you'd be able to keep those people separate from other hospitalized people - I'm tired right now and I can't think of the word. Isolation?
Anyway, I completely disagree with this and I don't think other people - general public - would be pleased about it either, especially if they live in Florida and are living with a chronic terminal disease.
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@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
20 Oct 09
You are so right, Mommyboo. I think they are trying to play God, too!
Even my doctor isolates those with symptoms of the flu. They do not sit in the same waiting room with the others. I was there getting a test one day downstairs and they had a guy sitting upstairs in another area,wearing a face mask, away from the outside waiting room. I liked that idea!
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
20 Oct 09
I'm with mommyboo on this one, if there's a pandemic of flu expected prepare in advance with makeshift centres to quarantine them in (the isolation word you were searching for). They've done that kind of thing of using other buildings instead of hospitals in the past, look how they manage in war situations.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
20 Oct 09
Here's a better link. They're talking about an overwhelming pandemic here, not under ordinary circumstances. I definitely wouldn't want to be in any of their shoes should the situation become that bad.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sfl-swine-flu-crisis-propublica-sboct18,0,2336680.story
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
26 Oct 09
Wow!! How can anywhere get this critical in judgement? I would think they would have a Lawsuit on their hands for even stating something like this and ever trying to really force something like this as well. I know as being Diabetic there are things I have to watch compared to the average Joe out there, but personally if someone was to discriminate me in a way due to my being Diabetic that would be like a Slap in the face as well. This too me does not sound right at all, and I hope they are not serious.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
20 Oct 09
I certainly hope and pray it never reaches this obviously worse case scenario. I'm telling myself it probably wont and that they just need to be prepared for the worst while hoping for the best. Unfortunately, as horrifying as this seems, there are tines in the health profession when very tough decisions must be made. From what 've heard about the H1N1 flu it's something that particularly hits children and pregnant women as well as the elderly and those with conditions that affect their immune systems. Hopefully everyone, especially those in the risk groups, will do their own part to prevent themselves from being one of those emergency flu patients making it so there's no room for the ones with the "poor prognoses" They should be getting the vaccine as soon as it becomes available if their own doctor who they trust advises it and they should avoid being in crowded situations especially in places where there are other sick people. They should fanatical about washing their hands VERY frequently and coughing or sneezing into their sleeves and no on their hands or on someone else.
I say nobody should panic just yet and we should realize that these hospitals are no doubt working on finding the best way to deal with a pandemic without disrupting the care of others in need of treatment.
Annie
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
20 Oct 09
That is so horrible! I know I've heard it said that this is a young person's disease and for some reason it's very bad for pregnant women. I've been telling everyone I know to make sure they tell everyone THEY know that pregnant women have to be very, VERY cautious.
Annie
@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
20 Oct 09
We have a situation here, in the province of B.C., to date, past month, 8 young ladies between the ages of 20 to 30, have passed with H1N1, and these dear souls have/had NO underlying medical conditions, as they all have been autopsied! Our province has had to re-think the guidelines...re; pregnant women, children, and the elderly, as it seems to have modified, and attacking very healthy, young women!
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@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
20 Oct 09
I think it is terrible that a hospital can be given the permission to take a person off a respirator without the okay from a member of his/her family! It is morally wrong to decide who can live and who will die. To me, this is going to give them a reason to remove people from respirators that might would have lived and also give them a chance to not let dying cancer patients in the hospital = perhaps on a trumped up flu epidemic!
Life is getting bad for the sick and the elderly, believe me! We are expendable to them. And that angers me!! Every life is worth saving!
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
20 Oct 09
How can you trump up a pandemic? Every state and county is developing or has developed emergency procedures for this and, as unfair as it is, this is Florida's plan for how to respond to an overwhelming influx of patients during a pandemic. I do agree that every life is worth saving but sometimes you have to make a tough decisions. Should someone who can be saved be turned away so that someone else who is terminal can continue to be treated? This is the worst case scenario and I pray it never comes to this point.
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@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
20 Oct 09
When you give someone the leeway to do something like this, there is no way we would have of proving that there was an influx of flu cases to a particular hospital to warrant dismissing patients or removing others from life-saving devices. I think it's terrible to even have to think of such a thing! What I was saying is I don't think there will be enough cases going to a particular hospital to warrant doing any of these things. There was another scare just like this one back in the 70's, I think it was. There always seems to be a scare tactic connected with such things - GO OUT and get the flu shot. Heck, I've never had a flu shot and never had the flu. I think it pays to practice prevention and one of the easiest ways is to keep your hands clean - wash them every time you think about it. A Dr was talking about this yesterday on the TV and he said most people will cough IN their hands, and then handle a door knob, making it easy for others to get sick.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
20 Oct 09
It is terrible to have to think of such a thing but, as I said, states across this country are working on worse case scenario plans because of the uncertainty of what this flu will do and because of the problems that Canada and Mexico have already had with their hospitals being overwhelmed by H1N1 patients. I think it would be very easy for any state to prove that they were experiencing a pandemic by the number of people showing up needing care so no one hospital could just claim that that is the case. In some areas Florida has a lot of hospitals, other areas have less, and I would imagine that the final version of this will address the subject of transfers to other facilities...current it's only a draft. I've never had a flu shot either and don't plan to get this one unless there is a severe outbreak here...and after we see if this one is effective and safe.
@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
20 Oct 09
Oh my goodness .... deebomb, this sorta reminds me of the old adage; "What's the difference between God and a Doctor...GOD doesn't think he's a DOCTOR! Boy, is this hallowed ground that I am afraid to walk on! This is sooooo controversial, I cannot even wrap my thoughts around it....and so many, many "what if's" keep creeping in the back door of my mind! Like WHOM is charged with the decision? WOW..you have me just reeling....IT IS SUCH A TRIAGE decision! I will have to go away and ponder this for even longer. /cheers!
@artibhardwaj (2)
• India
20 Oct 09
I want to suggest that precaution is better than cure, so protect yourself to get infected from swine flu. Always wear the mask when you go out. Ans there is one homeopathic medicine called 'influnzium' you can take this medicine, this is one of the best medicines which you can take precautionary, ofcourse you hav to take advice of your docter.
@tatazbrush (126)
• Indonesia
20 Oct 09
wow in florida many people got cancer, what the first aid and movement of the state hospital? they must manage and care every patient as fast as possible =)