Why do Muslims send terrorists to take India's Kashmir?

India
October 22, 2009 12:54am CST
Kashmir has been a fishing ground for Pakistan. Not only that Muslims from other countries too come to fight and create trouble. But all this years Kashmir has been part of India. Pakistan in disarray itself; terrorists attacking their army headquarter, killing its former prime minister, bombing schools etc. Yet it still wants to create problem for India. I think Pakistan should work to make its democracy work rather than disturb India. What do you think?
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@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
22 Oct 09
headhunter525, You have certainly open up a can of worms here as I just do not see the relevancy or the direction of this discussion. What is your point here? Or rather, which is which? On one hand, your title suggests that the Muslims are sending terrorists to take India and on the other in the discussion you are suggesting that it is the country Pakistan that is the perpetrator in this Kashmir issue. Not trying to teach you what to do, but since your discussion is categorize in Politics then maybe the title should be one of political than religion, right? Here is what I think, the Muslims did not send the terrorists into your country and Pakistan has had a long time feud with India with Kashmir being one of the agendas. Now, as you might already have learned that these terrorists cells have been formed by Muslim EXTREMISTS, and that they are being pursued by the Pakistani government to eradicate them. It would just be tactical for these terror cells to launch an attack into India to stir things up in this "smoke screen". And, I must stress that I am mentioning Muslim EXTREMISTS being involved and culpable here. I mean look around you, I am sure the normal Muslims today by majority are not going about waging holy wars with their neighbors, friends or literally people around them. So, be fair and careful with your posts or you will end up offending people unnecessarily.
• India
24 Oct 09
Thanks skysuccess, I put it under Politics because I thought it's less offensive. I could have put it under Religion as well but I thought the centrepoint is Kashmir so I thought Religion is more appropriate. I said Muslims because it's not only Pakistan that's sending terrorists to India. We have Muslims from other countries too though mainly it's from Pakistan. I can't understand how a Pakistani army general could engineer Kargil intrusion or how they could attack Mumbai or Indian parliament. Of course, I am not sure myself if it is more of religion or more of politics. Anyway, thanks for your comment.
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• Singapore
24 Oct 09
headhunter525, In the first place, I think you already know that this is more political than anything else as who's India's enemies are very clear cut. Besides, there are names for all these terrorist cells which again indicate that they are just NOT linked or related to Pakistan or Sri Lanka for the facts. Let's say that in any war, it is not I think it will be for your benefit if you could separate the issues to be clear and not bring on a wave of tsunami. Anyway, thank you for the BR award here and I hope that you are enjoying yourself here.
• Indonesia
23 Oct 09
thanks for your comment in this post, you really make it clear..thanks friends..
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@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
23 Oct 09
I think you right in your opinion, my friend. Pakistan should stabilize first their country before going into concession with India about Kashmir so that prevent any other conflict in their government where they face big problem today that is Taliban...
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• India
24 Oct 09
I can't quite understand what you are tying to say. Will reply if you can make things clearer. Thanks.
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• India
23 Oct 09
Yes. Pakistan has a very fragile democracy whereas Indian democracy is pretty stable. We cannot think of our army general taking over the nation whereas for Pakistan that is quite natural. If they take Kashmiris along with them they will spoil the lives of Kashmiris too.
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@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
24 Oct 09
Do you live in that area(kashmir), my friend. What country you want to belong if happen that kashmir region is taking into parts or divided for Pakistan and India the others area?
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• United States
22 Oct 09
Why do Muslim's send terrorists to attack other countries at all? Look at the U.S. on 9/11. I am a U.S. citizen, and I could not believe what was happening to my country on that day. I know that not all Muslims are terrorists, but on that day, I didn't know what to believe? Sadly, the Middle East is screwed up. Instead of fighting for Democracy, it seems like everybody wants war. Even though I know not everyone wants war, it sure does seem like they do. I know that many countries, for the longest time, probably even now, think that America is evil, they wouldn't be altogether wrong, but they wouldn't be right either. Most of us are the Southern-talking, redneck, White, Christian, Hillbillies that they make us out to be. I do not talk like I am from the South (I have a mixed dialect because of all of the places that I have been to and from the way I was raised), I am not a Redneck, I am not completely White (I have Black and Native American in me), I am not a Christian (I am Agnostic, meaning I don't have a religion, I do not believe in it), and I do not live in the Ozarks (I come from California and I live in a valley.) The whole world has it bad right now, just some places have it far worse than others. I think that the people of India need to fight really hard to make sure that their country stays stable, and make sure that they are united despite religion or background. More and more countries, other then the U.S., are becoming as diverse as the U.S. is. Sadly, you all have to learn to get along, or suffer the consequences of not being united. America is slowly falling apart because we cannot be, and we are not as united as we need to be. This is our fault. We started out a Christian nation, but many of us are not that way anymore. My family was Catholic and Jewish, but I am not any of those because I do not see religion as they do. I believe the religion, all religions, have torn our world apart. I believe that religion is tearing my own country apart. I know that for some people religion and having faith saves them, but for many it makes them crazy. Mixing religion and politics is a very bad idea, yet many countries have done it, and look where it is getting them, or where it has gotten them. It is okay to have beliefs, morals, and values, but do not let it overcome judgement and logic.
• United States
22 Oct 09
Okay, but this seems to be more than oil and riches. By the way, I know that that is what the Bushes were after, oil and riches, but those jerks are out of office now, and I will tell you that I never voted for them. India does have a lot of minerals, but not enough to even truly satisfy their own country.
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• India
23 Feb 10
Well said, dfgh123456789. I wish more and more wise leaders are born so that the world will be more peaceful. I don't know what they will get by causing bloodshed. I guess, in the list Iran can also be added.
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@Harley009 (1416)
• India
27 Oct 09
Why did you choose the title as "Why do Muslims send terrorists to take India's Kashmir?" Biased? I'm a Muslim and an Indian. You should have put 'Pakistan' instead of 'Muslims' And it may not be terrorists, Pakistan govt. Itself claim Kashmir is their part.
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• India
27 Oct 09
It sounded unfair and I think I am willing to concede to that to certain extent. But Pakistan is claiming that Kashmir should belong to it because Kashmir has more of Muslim population. But the king of Kashmir has agreed to join India in the first place and also the politicians were with it. So how can it claim like that!
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@sunny68 (1327)
• India
22 Oct 09
this is an act of retaliation. India liberated Bangladesh. so in return Pakistan wants Kashmir liberated.
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• India
23 Oct 09
But when India liberated Bangladesh it was done out of need. The Bangladeshis were being slaughtered by the Pakistani armies, and so India had to respond. The whole world looked at what India did and they were happy. But here in Kashmir that is not the case. Is it or am I missing something!! Thanks for responding.
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• India
28 Oct 09
Definitely Pakistan do not appreciate that. Yet I think Pakistan also needs to see it through the eye of a neutral person/country. India might be biased and so could be Pakistan. But oftentimes to have a more objective perspective it is important to have an opinion of a third party so that we know what other's think. Only then we are able to develop a more objective perspective. Anyway, thanks for commenting.
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@sunny68 (1327)
• India
23 Oct 09
it is a matter of perception. what India did may have been appreciated by the world but certainly not Pakistan. often revenge defies logic and so seems the case here. moreover religion is only being used as an instrument to promote vested interests. so religion cannot be blamed.
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• Indonesia
22 Oct 09
I'm disagree with your question, why you taken word muslim ? are you sure that they are really muslim ? Muslim is the religion to teach love and peace each other. I think the muslim you said that terrorist is not real muslim but is a muslim liberal, muslim liberal are different with those muslim. Why ? cause real muslim never teach about how to killing people, self destruction, even terrorist attack. If muslim are terrorist just like you say, why the country who have muslim people not doing like a terrorist attack just like that in the same time ? Muslim (Islam) is Religion to teach love and peace. But terrorist was attack in india is not real muslim or the religion is just some people who want to spread terror in the world. so please don't put muslim in a corner.
• India
23 Oct 09
Well I am sorry if you got offended by that. But these people seem to be prayerful in the name of Allah. These people studied in madarsas. These people read Quran. They used Islamic language like 'jehad'. For non-Muslims who could be more Muslims than those who pray, read Quran, studied in madarsas etc. And moreover, it's not just here in Kashmir. Similar thing is being done in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon. For example, the Hamas, the Hizbollas etc. Well there political crisis is also there. But there they can fight as Arab or something like that. But they seem to be fighting with Islam as part of the whole thing. I might be wrong, and I am willing to be corrected. Since I am an outsider my perception can be wrong. So sorry if this is not right. But you can explain this difficulty for non-Muslim. Thanks.
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• India
23 Oct 09
I agree that that I should have mentioned something like "Pakistani Muslim". Sorry for that.
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@siliguri (4241)
• India
10 Feb 10
ya u should not use the word muslim in your questions? All the muslim are not bad?
• Germany
23 Oct 09
I have understood that for Muslims we Christians look like a monolithic bloc but we are Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Orthodox etc etc. In the same way the muslims to us look like a monolithic bloc, but there are many different movements inside the Muslim world and it strongly depends on which historical state of thinking a Muslim is educated.Those who cause the terroristic trouble and fightings and we name "Taliban" are kind of old-fashioned and actually are nourished by poverty. So what should we do? Dry out poverty by US$ and bring our decadent "modern world" to Pakistan? I guess we need to dig deeper: The roots are to be found in each person's meekness and charity, to tolerate other religions and to share this world's resources.
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• India
23 Oct 09
I agree with you to a great extent. But Kargil's intrusion where many got killed was engineered by Pakistan's army chief. It was not because of poverty, I guess. Yes in Mumbai the attacker would have been poor and uneducated and so it's easy to be indoctrinated with some evil ideas. But why export state sponsored terrorism to Kashmir? Pakistan wouldn't get anything by doing that. They are just draining their resources and young people. The king of Kashmir or the one supposed to inherit the throne of Kashmir and the most powerful political family of Kashmir are with India. And it has been like that even in the past too.
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• United States
22 Oct 09
Here is one that my friends and I used to say to each other in school: "Peace in the Middle East!" We started saying this after the first Gulf War in the early 1990's.
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@SHAMRACK (8576)
• India
22 Oct 09
Dear friend, I could see that if the peace is not attained soon, this rivalry will go on and finally it may explode to a war. This prompt the other countries also and further lots of developments in both sides will be demolished. I hope a peaceful talks and treaties should be taken soon. May be to upheld the dignity and welfare of both countries citizens.
@daliaj (5674)
• India
23 Oct 09
I support your view regarding what Pakistan should concentrate. Some people of Pakistan think that Kashmir is a part of Pakistand and they say that they are doing a 'sacred war' to bring Kashmir under their control. The terrorists in Pakistan force many people including kids to join terrorist groups and fight against India. That is very sad. Kashmir is one of the beatuiful places in India.
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• India
23 Oct 09
Since their king and political leaders have decided to join India in the beginning itself Kashmir has to be part of India. Moreover, Kashmiris will be more happy being with India. India is economically more prosperous and politically more stable.
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@Frederick42 (2024)
• Canada
25 Oct 09
It is sickening. I wonder why some nations behave like this. It seems people cannot live without violence. Orthodox Islam is partly responsible for this, although muslims will argue theirs is a peaceful, wonderful religion. Well, the religion itself is not bad , but some people get the message wrongly and we can see the results.
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@defcon505 (919)
• United States
22 Oct 09
I don't really know but maybe for some reason they want that region.
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• India
23 Oct 09
May be. But what for? To take Kashmiris as well along that path of political instability and violence! If they really care for Kashmiris Pakistan should leave them alone. India is much safer and political stable than Pakistan. Cheers!
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@Zenstrive (237)
• Indonesia
23 Oct 09
True muslims never want war unless attacked first. They are not true muslims, just some fooled believers brainwashed, agitated, and incited to attack "infidels" Anyway, "extreme fundamentalits" are created by CIA anyway, so we muslims never consider them one of ours. They are canon fodders or pets grown and trained by intelligence bodies such as CIA and MOSSAD.
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• India
23 Oct 09
May be you are right about the fact that they are not true Muslims. Since I cannot distinguish between true Muslims and fake Muslims I would take your word. But the terrorists here were sent by Pakistan's ISI. Taliban though would have been trained by ISI and CIA together. For example, Musharraf who engineered Kargil war was the chief of army in Pakistan. So I think it's okay to say that terrorists coming to Kashmir have been sent by Pakistanis. For Bin Laden and Taliban I don't have sufficient knowledge. Cheers!
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• Pakistan
23 Oct 09
Well frnd you say "WHO DO MUSLIMS SEND TERORISTS TO TAKE INDIA'S KASHMIR". First of all thats not the india's kashmir thats the disputes areas recognized by the INDIA's GOVERNMENT. And sencond thing is that pakistan is not sending the terrorist those are all the kashmiris and they are fighting for the right of SELF DETERMINITION they dont want to live with cruel goverment of EXTREMIST HUNDUS. There are more than 25% muslim population in india but rate of of joblessness is highest among muslims of india the hindus of india take control of the goverment they dont want to give any rights to the muslims and if you dont give basic rights to the people they wil be against you. Now look at the other side where india has 12 embassies in afghanistan and the indians are training the terrorists and then these terrorists are sent to the Pakistan and what recently happening in Pakistan is only because of the indina terrorist training camps. They train terrorist and send them to Pakistan for terrorist acivities. Thats all is a little realities whatever you realities cannot be changed.
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• India
23 Oct 09
It is disputed because Pakistan is making it like that. The king of Jammu & Kashmir joined India so how can Pakistan claim that. Even today the King's son, Dr. Karan Singh, is an Indian politician. Even many Kashmiri politicians are in Indian parliament. Muslims in India comprise of around 14%, not 25%. The rate of unemployment, illiteracy etc is highest among Muslims as you said. But is it because of extremist Hindus or because of the religion? I shall leave it to you to see but before that let me present to you one argument. India has 2.34% Christians. They also live among extremist Hindus, if I may borrow your word. But Christians are the most literate and least unemployed group of people. Christians also provide education and health care to so many Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists etc. So if Hindus are exploiting Muslims, why are the Christians not exploited? Well, in certain pockets some Christians as well Muslims are exploited and persecuted. But, my friend, in most places such discrimination is not there. One reason why Muslims are behind others is they produce so many children and they can't take care of the children. They are not able to give education to these kids. And so the kids grow up poorly educated and unemployed. The madarsas are not helpful so much. It teaches the distinct characteristics of Muslims, and not education. Well, it can teach the distinct characteristics if that is needed but why compromise education? Mumbai attackers are from Pakistan; kargil was engineered by your Pakistan's army general Musharraf. Is there any Indian caught red-handed attacking Pakistan? Is there any army general or politician caught red-handed. Pakistan is even shielding dreaded criminal Dawood Ibrahim, the man who bombed Mumbai.. Now let me hear your side of story.
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@urbandekay (18278)
10 Feb 10
It has often been Islam's way to spread by the sword all the best urban
• India
10 Feb 10
I hope they never get to do such thing in your country. It's bad here. Good day!
@Gordano (795)
• United States
30 Oct 09
instead of spending time blaming Muslims, What about public vote ? a public vote will allow people of Kashmir to decide for themselves. agree ?
• India
1 Nov 09
The problem with that is that, not that India fears Kashmir will go away, but India's reputation will be at stake. Whenever some people raise such issues and the country would undergo such a thing, would that be a fair thing to any nation? Would that be a fair thing to do that for Kurds in Iraq? or Xingjiang in China? or for Parsis in Iran? or Christians in Iraq? or for Hindus in Bangladesh? or for Balochistan in Pakistan? etc etc If Pakistan would not do such a thing in Balochistan why should India allow that when the king of Kashmir has agreed to be part of India in the beginning itself? If such a thing is to be allowed then it should be allowed for all groups of people all over the world. Agreed?
@daliaj (5674)
• India
10 Feb 10
This is the question I have been in mind for a long time. Kashmir has been a part of India for a long time and Pakistan has been fighting for it. What is the big deal for a piece of land? How can Pakistan compare the lives of many people to the value of a small place like Kashmir putting many families in constant agony.Pakistanis should think that their country was part of Inida once and they lived with Indians as brothers and sisters.
• India
10 Feb 10
Yes. You are right. In fact, if Pakistan wants to fight it will be the one that suffers more than India. So I don't know why they insist on sending more terrorist to India. Let us hope it changes sooner or later.
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
11 Feb 10
I don't think if the government of Pakistan, have involve in that particular case of the two countries... Because Pakistan, is now face a difficult time to battle those Taliban. Because they are the root of Terrorist in the region... I think there is other people want both India and Pakistan to destroy relation so that they can spread more terrorist activities to dismantle both India and Pakistan and leave them rubble of fear...That's the work of Osam bin Ladin, my friend
@1anurag1 (3576)
• India
22 Oct 09
I think we cant say here as muslims are sending them. i will say those countries have started our friendly nature our weakness. i think we are a very big country have own big market and economy. and almost now around us all the countries are doing are trying to getting the advantage. whether it is nepal , bangladesh, china or the ... pakistan. fault is in us and in our policies. now the time has come to show us and to go beyond the politics. Indian muslims know every thing about every politician , and we are being made fool for long time.we hindu and muslims are being used as the political tool for a long time. a terrorist is terrorist whether he is from any religion and if he gets support from some indian person he is also a terrorist. it must not be pointed out by our great leader that a muslim or some other person is being harressed on the name of terror. Reason is very simple they know that we are powerful but we dont use that. i think we all must be very clear on our policies.we have to see our self. why those countries dont have courage to do this with china.
• India
23 Oct 09
That is true. We should not treat any citizen of India with some condescending attitude. All are part of India. Even in the past people like Maulana Azad stayed back in India because they did not want to be part of Pakistan... they considered themselves Indian to their bone marrow!
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@1anurag1 (3576)
• India
22 Oct 09
Yes i agree with you and we are civilized due to that. we know about them as they are humans too. and this difference have made us INDIA you can say that we are almost a super power. and you can see the level or Pakistan. which is considered as a failed state.
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