Jesus Christ, between the Quran and the Bible!

Same response everywhere, everytime. The moment you say anything which goes against the Islamic portrayal of Muhammad and the Quran, its always anti-Islamic propaganda and anti-Islamic websites. As if, the non-Muslims have no intelligence to judge Muhammad neutrally with all his good and bad traits!

sanjana, Thats what you think, did you really studied about Prophet Mohammad and his life? rather than reading the websites of anti-Muslims?

well ... all that actually happened has now been altered as other religion claims Islam is violent religion . do you know how many hindus were killed in India in the verge of Muslim religion ? how many temples were destroyed ? i dont have to read to know the religion and its people from the net, i live with them - if we, people of other religion are not "tolerant" then i believe the muslims will regret I have learned history of a Hindu starting my country, and years after - now the Hindu does not exist in our History books. Hindus found my country and they left a lot of historical venues - it has all been destroyed in front of our eyes. (History books of a nation is altered in the name of religion) muslims are the ones mislead by the truth and blinded by believe Jesus have never hurt or killed even one soul in his life - he only sacrificed himself for the people of earth

Ermm, by seeking God you should really believe in HIS books that HE has written! This surely has some bearing on finding God. True, His word may have corrupted in some scriptures, but the Quran has its original Arabic text in every genuine copy. So it can only be the true word of GOD.

Since Islams claims to be in "Prophetic Succession" to all the prophets of the Old and the New Testament, the acceptance of Jesus as a prophet is but logical. If it had been revealed to Mohammad(PBUH),Jesus was the Son of God and the one and one alone through which anyone could reach God, then He[Mohammad(PBUH)] would have no locus standi in proclaiming Himself as the Last Great Prophet after which there would be none. Thus it ws just logical to say that everything that has gone before could(!) have been corrupted by men but Al Qur'An was not! The proof that would be offered is The Word has been held hallowed in the pristine pure language of Arabic in which it was revealed!

GADHISUNU in case you don't know what would happen If it had been revealed to Muhammad PBUH, that Jesus was the Son of God, I'll tell you what the Quran say about this, instead of your philosophy. [i][043:081] Say (O Muhammad): If the Beneficent One hath a son, then, I shall be first among the worshippers. (But there is no son). [043:082] Glorified be the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the Throne, from that which they ascribe (unto Him)! [043:083] So let them flounder (in their talk) and play until they meet the Day which they are promised. [043:084] And He it is Who in the heaven is God, and in the earth God. He is the Wise, the Knower. [043:085] And blessed be He unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and with Whom is knowledge of the Hour, and unto Whom ye will be returned.[/i] and while you read the verse 43:85 which reveal that Only God know the Hour ( the day of Judgment ) we don't forget what Jesus PBUH said in the bible, read Mark 13:32 when Jesus said: [i]But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. [/i] The God Only know the Hour, not the angels and not the son, Therefor, when there is something that the Father alone know but the son Don't know - by his admission - then the son is not the father, and hence the Trinity is a Lie. Best Regards!

[B]I'll tell you what the Quran says about this, instead of your philosophy.[/B] This is the problem with all FAITH based religions. By that, I mean everything that relies [B]only on faith[/B] and making no appeal to one's thinking faculty ever. You know, Gordano I am a Vedantin, and Vedanta relies the least[It is not that there is no Scriptural Testimony necessary, in matters that are beyong Logic] on Scriptural Testimony alone.One does need a starting document, which appeals to FAITH,in the beginning. So, man I would be more happy if my religious belief stands my scrutiny and then I accept it because it made sense to me.This would be the best form of conviction, isn't it? What I have said in my post is the Logical conclusion anyone who would accept that: Religion is one good starting point for the ralationship with God: Call Him by any name.Personally(by that I mean [I]for me[/I]) Religion is one easy way to relate to God. And asks: Give me a [B]reason{/B]{And don't simply quote Scripture, by that I mean Al Qur'An, which like [B]any other Scripture, would only be Declarative in its form of expression[/B]} why it was given Muhammad(PBUH), that Jesus was not the Son of God ? Give some good old plain logic. You will come to what I have said if you have practised the neutrality, that is the hallmark of an open inquirer into truth, being trained in the ways of Science and other Modern Studies. All I have to say is, if Al Qur'An is true for a devout Muslim, so is The Holy Bible for a devout Christian, and so it is for any Scripture. So, if you are thinking you are placing some [B]facts[/B]unknown to others, but that has been said in Al Qur'An , it is well and good, but it is all the more necessary for you to support the idea outside of the Scripture. Only then an idea would take root and grow in strength!

There may not be a answer to your last question. As for retention of the Original Teachings are concerned, it is better to retain it in the language in which was expressed if you are only concerned with extracting the true meaning of something. In this I am with Al'Qur'An being in Arabic. Yes it is a pain to learn a new language just only to relly get at a message. Nuch is lost in translation. Several beautiful translations are available in English. But then the Original One in Arabic must rule: for it comes sanctified by the transfer-in-embrace to Mohammad(PBUH) by Jabar-Il[Arch Angel Gabriel?] It is very possible to corrupt a Scripture, unintentionally, inadvertently in translation.

Hello Torch Burn! As far a Jesus being a prophet, well yes he is. Unfortunately, you have mistaken the meaning of what Jesus said in the Gospels. Let me know if I have mistaken the meaning of this too: Luke 4:23-27 (King James Version) [i]( 23 ) And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country ( 24 ) And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country. ( 25 ) But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; ( 26 ) But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. ( 27 ) And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.[/i] Also Let me know if I have mistaken the meaning of this verse too: Luke 7:16 (King James Version) [i]And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people. [/i] obviously, Jesus Christ described Himself as a prophet, and People at his time knew Him as a Prophet as They said. as for the Quran and the Necessity of Learning Arabic, It should be noted That the Arabs are around 18 % Of Muslims now, and Muslims Have the Courage to recommend learning Arabic, Because The Original Text of The Holy Quran in Arabic exist and available for All, and Because while Translations Can Help to give you the meaning it is impossible to translate the Beauty of the Arabic language, The Holy Quran in Arabic is like a beautiful Poem, to summarize, If you want Only the meanings of the Quran translations will Help, But is you want to enjoy the Beauty of The Original Text, Then you can Learn Arabic. Christians don't have the Courage to recommend that People learn the Original language of Bible's New Testament simply because NOTHING original exist, and after all they don't know for sure whether Jesus Christ spoke to His People in Hebrew or Aramic. as for Miracles, it is true that Muhammad was not given so many Miracles Like Jesus but some points remains remarkable: * With All Miracles Given to Jesus, The Jews Rejected Him as the Messiah, They didn't even accept him as a prophet, While Quarter of the world population ( The Muslims ) accept Jesus Christ, accept his Virgin Birth, accept All of His Miracles, with more Miracles of Jesus recorded in the Holy Quran, but some of his Miracles not exist in the Bible, All Muslims Believe these Things But NON of Them depend on the Bible to Believe, All of Them depend on the Holy Quran, and this the Great Miracle Given to Muhammad. * The Previous Prophets of the Bible Performed so many Miracles, you can read about their Miracles recorded in the Bible at this Link: http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/miracle.html But none of Claimed to be the God Himself depending on their Miracles. as for your sentence that if as a Muslim you are referring to the Qoran as 'Divine revelation' and to the Bible as the 'corruption of men,' you are asking a loaded question. That is why I called it inane. Because you see, I would assert that the 'Divine revelation' is indeed the Bible, and the 'corruption of men' to be referring to the Quran. So it is a matter of perspective. It is true, But while it is very true that it is a matter of perspective, one shouldn't forget the Baseless perspective. Best Regards!

Did I not already state that Jesus was indeed a prophet? Did I not already state what the passage you quoted in Mark and Matthew to mean? Perhaps 'mistaken' was too strong of a word, but the meaning remains the same none the less, as does the verses you quoted in Luke. Maybe I should have said that you have missed the point of those verses. Yes Jesus is described as a prophet in all. The focus on those verses, while although true, are not necessarily on the fact that Jesus was a prophet. As far as translations are concerned, I can tell you with a certanty that although words themselves can be translated, the inflections they have often are lost. I know this because I speak two languages and I am currently learning 2 more. You need not convince me the need to learn an original language to get the FULL meaning of a text. I'm already convinced. If my word 'mistaken' was too strong, might I tell you that your words 'Christians dont have the courage' are also too strong, bordering on the insulting. I told you previously that I am currently studying two languages. I am studying both Hebrew and Greek. Not only do I study them, I encourage others to do so also. As to your assertions that the original texts do not exists. Maybe, maybe not. But the copies that we do have completely agree with other older copies recently found. A clear indicator of the accuracy of the copies. The fact of the matter is that the early churches would receive a letter (as from Paul) and copy it and pass it to other churches. Much like the koran. Just because the koran was copied, are the copies LESS truthful than the original? If not, where is the original koran? If copies are not as truthful as the original koran, is a muslum wrong for reading any koran EXCEPT for the original? The debate as to wether Jesus spoke in Hebrew or Aramic was at best a question and less a disagrement. Jesus spoke in aramic. Prophets. You admit Jesus performed more miracles than mudhommed. But you think that because the Jews rejected Christ that means that he was not the son of God? Let me give you a scenario. Lets say for a moment that islum is correct amd mudhommed is allas prophet and I must follow islam to reach heaven. If I reject mudhommed, would that mean that mudhommed is not a prophet of alla? Of course not. Apersons belief does NOT negate truth. In other words, just because one rejects truth does not mean truth isnt real. EVERY muslum I have ever met has told me that to become a muslum I have to learn arabic and study the koran in arabic. I say that truth is truth no matter the language and that truth will transcend any language barrier. According to EVERY muslum I have ever met, because of the conditions they have placed on it, the koran cannot hold up to this scrutiny. The Bible CAN and DOES. That is why I take your advice and I will not forget the BASELESS PERSPECTIVE.

The moment I saw your post, I had this urge to look up your profile.Well, there was nothing there to tell me of your religious inclination or practice. The ideas expressed by you are pretty open, and generally are expressed only by Hindus. If at all, among others, such ideas come from highly diversified learners on matters of religion. In such a case it is better to call them the truly eclectic, religious-bigotry-free individuals, a product of our scientific age than that of the religious preferences. It might only be incidental that they are born into Christian families or Buddhists and the like. Muslims in general maintain that Al Qur'An is the defectless Scripture being the latest from the prophets of God. And in all faith based religions Scriptures are not roadmaps, they are rather passports. By considering Scripture to be a roadmap you seem to be subscribing to the Vedantic viewpoint and an Advaitic one at that.