Republicans and Social Issues.
By II2aTee
@II2aTee (2559)
United States
November 3, 2009 9:10am CST
It seems to me that lately I am encountering more and more Republicans and Conservatives who are in favor of gay marriage. As everyone knows Republican Dede Scozzafava recently dropped her campaign in New York after inner party controversy over her stance on social issues. Apparently because she is in favor of gay marriage she is considered too liberal to be a Republican.
I was shocked to read about a Republican candidate in my own home state who was in favor of gay marriage. All my life I have pretty much understood that Republicans oppose gay marriage, and Democrats try to avoid the topic at all costs.
Is this a rising trend within the Republican party? If so I consider it to be a very wise move. The younger generations are reaching the voting age, and with every generation comes more acceptance and tolerance, despite the bigotry that had been imposed by past generations. If Republicans want to capitalize on these upcoming generations its my opinion that they should back off of their hard-line stance on social issues and focus more on relevant issues such as the economy, health care, foreign policy and other issues that effect a broader spectrum of Americans.
And yes, I know I am generalizing a lot in this topic. To say the Republicans oppose gay marriage is a very broad generalization. But can anyone disagree? By far, Democrats are more in favor or on the fence, whereas republicans have traditionally taken a very strong opposition.
What is going on with the Republican party? Is the world ready for pro-gay republicans??
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6 responses
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
3 Nov 09
This is where the "Full Faith and Credit" clause in the constitution comes in. A legal marriage in one state should be recognized in another. If it isn't the apropriate measure is to challenge it in court on this legal basis.
:http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A4Sec1
@II2aTee (2559)
• United States
3 Nov 09
Oh ok Im sorry. I think I understand what you were saying now.
But tell me this. You are married right? Lets pretend you move to another state. That state says "Sorry, we dont recognize marraiges from your home state. You arent legally married here."
Would you persue legal action?
I hope you would. Because marriage is NOT a state institution. It's Federal.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
3 Nov 09
I think the gay marriage issue is mostly a religious issue.
The big difference between Republicans and Democrats is that the Democratic politicians and subsequent policies are more easily swayed by the popular niche interst of the day -- they're people pleasers when time to grab votes. And this is why the left has SO MANY "causes." They have SO MANY different voting demographics. It's a FUBAR hodgepodge of vote-for-me bones thrown in the middle of the pack. How often do they live up to their end? Anyway...
I say people pleasers because the Democratic politicians are, by and large, religious people who regularly state that they're not for gay marriage (of course, some have been known to change this opinion depending on who they're talking to).
With Republicans, the politicians and the base are more on the same level in terms of religion and tradition. The right doesn't have nearly as many "causes," because a lot of people on the right don't really want anything in the end but to be left alone by the government. However, there are more secular individuals claiming the "right" as their side, and many of them, myself included, don't care what two consenting adults choose to do with their lives.
The people-pleasing Republican politicians would be wise to leave this issue alone or to at least tackle it correctly.
However, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think everything would be easier for everyone if "gay marriage" could be called something else and still give two gay people the same rights as a man/woman married couple.
I think gay marriage is one of those slippery slopes, and if it IS an issue of civil rights, then what about 8 consenting adults who all want to marry each other? What about George Clooney in his hit sequel, Men Who Marry Goats?
I'm not sure if you'll ever see pro-gay religious people with any substantial numbers. It's not necessarily a right vs. left thing here. Pro-gay Republicans would mean that the party is becoming more secular is all. Good thing? Maybe so, maybe not. I'm agnostic but find nothing wrong with the religious and traditional values, and I see no reason that the entire country should have to abandon every previously-held principle in order to appease sporadic niche groups. In other words, I don't see special interest taking hold of the Republicans like it has the Democrats.
@II2aTee (2559)
• United States
3 Nov 09
When you say “I don't see special interest taking hold of the Republicans like it has the Democrats.” Cant the religious right be considered a special interest group who has always found a comfortable home within the Republican base? You said yourself that gay marriage is a religious issue. If that is the case then why did Republicans take up the Churches banner?
I suppose the question of marriage being a religious or a government establishment comes from people particular point of view. Somehow, many many years ago, the religious institution of marriage got tangled up in politics. I don’t know where, or how, but I do know that in the same moment the government took up the regulations of marriage, it is then that it became a civil issue, and not a religious one.
People of any faith, or no faith all can get married and reap the rewards and perils. No where in government regulation does it say that only people of a certain faith can marry. No where does it say only marriages performed within X church are considered valid.
Two people can go to a Government run court house. Sign on the dotted line, and boom. Their married. I have been to weddings that have had NO religious undertones whatsoever. No mention of God. No mention of Christianity. And yet they are able to legally marry within the confines of government regulated standards and no one ever bats an eye lash.
You say Republicans will not become the pawns of special interest groups. I say they already have. The religious right has been trying to claim a monopoly on marriage rights in America and they have used the Republicans to accomplish that goal.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
3 Nov 09
Well, it's certainly not a chicken or the egg issue here.
When the parties formed--when America formed--dang near EVERYONE was religious.
People don't come to the Republican side of the aisle to find religion. Religion has always been in this country and has always been an EXTREMELY large part of this country.
The fact that secular people mostly identify with the left in terms of politics doesn't make the right a bible-thumping side by default. The right--base or political power--has just never stepped too far into the secular world, whereas the left has by force and for survival.
@II2aTee (2559)
• United States
3 Nov 09
Regardless of chicken and egg, the fact is that somehow modern marriage has been warped into a government funded and regulated institution. Like I said, people can be married in the eyes of the government and give two hoots about what the church says. No one in this country needs the Churches approval to get married. Why should gay couples have to answer to them, when no one else does?
It's a legality now, regardless of how many people "back then" were "religious". Marriage is now a civil rights issue. It stopped being a religious issue long ago, and we are seeing politicials starting to realize that.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
4 Nov 09
Well one thing many people don't realize it that the Gay Marriage divide is based far more on age than political parties. Younger people are more likely to be democrats, which is why it appears democrats are more in favor of gay marriage. When you look at the actual politicians though, such as Biden, Obama, Clinton, etc., you'll see that very few of them support gay marriage. If you look at younger republicans though, you'll see that many, such as Margaret Hoover, and Meghan McCain, are actually in favor of gay marriage.
As the population ages you'll see gay marriage become more accepted. Major social changes take time and that can often mean generations. Remember, we still have senators and congressmen that were in office during segregation.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
3 Nov 09
I know what you are saying and all I can say is it is about time. With all the problems in the world do we really have to fight against the gay peoples rights to marry? To be honest, I think they should be allowed the same benefits as any other couple and I extend that thought to couples that choose not to marry but live together. I think that anyone setting up household together should get the same exact benefits as those that are married get. there should be a contract separate from marriage that allows those benefits. The argument against gay marriage seems to be a mainly religious one anyway. Let the religious people have their marriage ceremonies but let others that choose to be committed to each other beyond the traditional marriage rules have another option and contract and still get the benefits. What if I wanted to remain single but set up a household for financial reasons with my best friend who is also a single female? Neither of us is gay but we have been friends for years and we trust each other. I mean if the gay people get benefits...do we have to pretend to be gay in order to get those benefits? We could and who would know otherwise? It just makes more sense to let 2 adults sharing a life for whatever reason the same benefits. It does not have to be so complicated.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
3 Nov 09
Hi Tee, I've always thought of Republicans in the US as being like the Conservatives here in Canada. The old Progressive Conservatives who were much closer to the center were swallowed up by the righter wingers that we have now and this group would rather turn back the clock. It would be good to see Republicans moving forward like that and I hope you are right but I wonder who Fundamentalist Christians would vote for then? Blessings.
@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
3 Nov 09
Maybe they're FINALLY waking up!!! Obama proved that getting the gay vote can get you elected. A politician will sell their soul to the devil in order to get reelected. At this point in history that's exactly what they think they are doing!!! NEVER feel that a politician is on your side as they have ONLY one side....THEIR SIDE!!!