Is mylot beyond p[ositive critisism ???
By K.Rajib G.
@krajibg (11922)
Guwahati, India
November 6, 2009 1:39am CST
I know I would be killed but could not help posting this discussion
Now, most of you are familiar with 'mylot delete thing'. They delete whatsoever they think is a violation of their rules. That is well and good and I accept that they have all right to do so but my question is why do they do not accept positive criticism either about them or something else?
I know mylot is a good platform for discussion but there is no democracy. If you start a discussion on certain negative thing in mylot or about a vital issue why the the deletion of the post? Can not we discuss on the water in the Moon and the possible human habitation there in future? If so why discussion related to such matter is deleted?
Who is the serpent behind the curtain to report them to the mylot administration? I do not know your opinion this kind of people should be put to the guillotine for reporting against such beautiful and legit discussion.
I am against Spam but you should have the knack to know Spam from no Spam.
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13 responses
@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
6 Nov 09
You need to watch your steps before walking down the valley of mylot, your words need to be well polished in order to survive the acid test of the lotters admin. Yes, there are so called rules and guidelines to follow but no matter how strict we follow these rules, innocence discussions still get deleted. I seriously think that the admin is not looking at their own rules and delete discussions at random when some smart people make a report. What is worse is they don't entertain queries from mylotters who are kept in the dark the reasons for their posts being thrown to the fire of hell. This is double standard practiced by the admin. Discussions have not violated any of the rules and yet dismissed as going against their rules. They should scrutinize the reported discussion before deleting. Anyone can report and the discussion is done! There is no critical thinking at all and a serious neglect to ask the question 'Why'? People will always look for a scapegoat with ulterior motives. Admin should at least restore democracy here and allow free flow of thoughts instead of curtailing the intelligence of individuals. Sometimes it is a total pain to have our discussions deleted without valid reasons. But your merit is established if you can agree with the conviction and decisions of those above you, if you are able to see the expediency, the necessity of every action taken. You know what I mean. Function on the strength of someone else's not your own. Yours not to reason why. Yours to do and rise, a reward for obedience.
@LetranKnight25 (33121)
• Philippines
6 Nov 09
well, we are on their mercy that's for sure. but i don't really think mylot is completely blind when it comes to checking the reported post, am sure those who abuses the ! button are the ones punished first because admin tend to check their profile to see based on discussions if the person is telling the truth of no.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
6 Nov 09
Hi zandi,
First thing you are a mylotter and are supposed to follow certain dos and do nots. Fine. But antithesis arises when there are discussion and discussion well discussed and hampering no interest of mylot admin. But after sometime you would see that that very discussion getting sent to the space by NASA for further investigation and similar thins are taking places here too.
Second thing I am not here for money. So why do not allow free flow of thoughts streaming down on the true but a little bitter discussion? Is it then a place to chat and have some words exchanged as to 'what do you eat?', 'Where do you go this summer?', 'Why women get pregnant and not men?'? If the discussion topics are of this nature they never get deleted for they are no discussion at all.
Could we come to the conclusion that mylot never tolerates serious and important discussion? If so where applies the connotation of discussion? This is my million dollar question to them who keep on reporting and also to mylot admin. As I said money is not a thing here if compared to our inputs.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
6 Nov 09
You are right that mylot admin could ban you. But what you have forwarded should be perceived by all myloters. Discussion is a discussion when there is argument and difference in opinions. I might not be correct but I have trhe full rights to air my argument and it is up to you to accept or npt to accept.
@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
6 Nov 09
Dearest Rajib gi-
I love your posts and they are my solace during my thesis writing as of late. I do agree that Mylot administration and other mylot users could learn valuable insights from positive critiques of the system, or threads, or so forth. I am still not sure of just how Mylot administration truly works as it seems at times to be a hit or miss.
For example, they will delete entire threads that break TOS, but fail to delete persons who constantly break TOS? That logic makes no sense, but perhaps they have had few courses on Logic themselves?
The other issue, which I think is more prevelent on here, is that it is not Mylot Administration acting alone. I think it is groups of persons who decide to go and report any post/thread they disagree with or does not suit their personal line of thinking. This seems to be the root, and does not seem to be a part of what we "agreed" to when signing the agreement to be Mylot users. It also seems to be apparent that there are those who are "above the law" so to speak trolling Mylot.
The only reality in this case is that karma does act instantly as well as in another life so it is their karma they are affecting.
Try to stay positive and continue to post your thoughts.
Namaste-Anora
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
7 Nov 09
Hi Anora, very true and legit analysis of the situation. Now this is not possible for mylot admin to keep eyes on each and every users as the population here is selling every day and surely some moderators are there but I do not think they are doing the p[roper logical things though being entrusted with the job. The group as you mentioned acts according to its choice and liking. Those who call others troll is reverse in the true sense of the term.
If you say the TOS f mylot is stricter than the Ten Commandments but some are repeatedly committing the mistakes and the posts are getting deleted but the person stands holly. This is also logic developed by some. If you want to do justice do it but on equal term. Why let some people go 'above the law'?
@cloudwatcher (6861)
• Australia
6 Nov 09
I am thankful that myLot administers this site and DOES delete unsuitable material. I have been on a site where this was not the case and very unwholesome materials were published and many flame wars carried on.
When we have queries or suggestions, we can contact myLot and they listen to our case.
If a discussion has been deleted and you see no problem with that discussion, you can ask for a reason. Perhaps there was something that you hadn't realised was unacceptable, and knowing the reason will help in future postings.
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
6 Nov 09
Rajib we, the users, cannot always be aware of everything that happens here but I know for certain, because I have seen it many times, that there are some unscupulous users who copy posts from other websites and post them here. The admin deletes them, even though they appear to us to be legitimate posts. Instead they are stolen
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
6 Nov 09
Hello, may I know what is unsuitable material? Do you follow the semantic of a 'discussion' at all? I have no objection if the discussion topic is a personal attack or an a slur against mylot but I have seen very legit and important discussion getting deleted. What would you say on this? Do you have any answer? No. You like to be a 'yes' man and you would be there with their favour but remember a democratic minded lotter would not call a zebra a giraffe.
@maygodblessu44 (7336)
• India
11 Dec 09
Hello my friend krajibg Ji,
Well,I thought that would skip this discussion, as it might have been deleted by now. But to my surprise, I hail myLot's adminstration. They have not made. It means, till one voilates some rules, it will stay. I would only suggest to create aother window, where all oilated discussions are kept alive to be knopwn by others. It will serve at least two purposes, firstly, other members will know about the discussionand secondally it will serve alarm to others.
May God bless You and have great time.
@meapas (2436)
• India
8 Nov 09
I too have noticed this and I agree with you. Any good person should take positive criticism in their stride as it will help them to be better. There is ample room for self-improvement for anybody and everybody. Let us all be a "mirror friend" to each other.
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@kush20006 (515)
• India
6 Nov 09
hey man
i want to tell you one thing that everything in this world is governed by a person
or team of person
that team is bound to biased for something or another this means that administrator of that thing possess full rights to delete what they what
what hurts their personnel interest
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
6 Nov 09
Before we enter this 'shop' we are supposed to read the Terms.
In them it says
"myLot reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to reject, refuse to post or remove any posting by you, or to restrict, suspend, or terminate your access to all or any part of the myLot services at any time, for any or no reason, with or without prior notice, and without liability."
: http://www.mylot.com/o/terms.aspx
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
6 Nov 09
If this be the case why open your shop? Better close it and have a nice sleep.
@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
7 Nov 09
Hi krajibg,
I have been a member here for a very long time. -Almost from the beginning-
What I can tell you is this: Everything goes well for a time then some members or a member has a discussion deleted for whatever reason. Then the accusations start. Is there a serpent behind the curtain as you put it? I strongly believe that some people report other people or rate them negatively, however that is not why a discussion gets deleted automatically. Mylot monitors decide that. I believe there is more than one monitor, I also think there is software running in the background that flags certain words. Mylot admin then decides whether or a discussion violates one or more Mylot rules and should be deleted. No individual usser has this power, no troll has this power. However what tends to stir up the pot are discussions like this one. Personally I have been accused and reported (the person said they would do so) however, I was never banned nor was a discussion of mine or
a response of mine ever deleted unless the whole discussion to which I responded was deleted.
So bear in mind this site is run by a group of people. They thought of and made up the rules for participation. We can freely choose as people in a free democracy to participate here or not to participate.
Bear in mind this forum is run by
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
8 Nov 09
Hi Linda,
I really appreciate the way you have elaborated things here and it would be a sort of clarification for those who read it. Yes, this is right that there ae monitors moe than a few and all are not the same. Some are there roaming around you and you do not know who he is. I f any confrontation took place and disagreement between you and him followed you are likely to be reported. This I think is not a healthy practice and mylot admin needs to look into such volatile issue.
I am aware this is run by a group of people but I do not think that they are just like any ordinary men. I got several of my post deleted and I have no grudge over it as they were not discussion and in my innocence in the early stage of my being here i would write on my personal matter or on achieving some milestone.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Feb 10
krajibg we should be able to discuss practically anything here
and not be deleted for simply having opinions that are not the
same as other posters. however some have misconstrewed what
we should negate and hit the minus button on well presented
discussions that go against their own views. mylot admins
says that we should not hit the minus button simply because
we do not agree with the person who made the discussion.
all of us need to read and reread about discussions and about
hitting delete and minus. But be advised krajibg that if one
does report a discussion as they feel it has broken one or more
mylot rules that does not automatically delete it as mylot admins
'still have the final say. If they do not agree with the person who
reported the discussion it will not be deleted. so really mylot admins are the only ones who c an and do delete a discussion. Not some ugly trolls hiding behind the monitors at all.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Nov 09
krajibg a lot of the stuff deleted here is not by us users but by mylot admins as the person has inadvertently broken a mylot rule. We do not have near as much power as you may think. we may protest something but that does not for one moment mean mylot will delete it unless they feel it is just. also a word of caution, sometimes one man's positive criticism will appear as v very negative. for one thing we all have a right to our own opinions and when you criticize me for not agreeing with you that is not constructive criticism at all. that is you telling me that I do not have the right to my own opinion or the right to disagree with you. Mylot admins says we must respect each others views,it does not say we must try to change them.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Nov 09
Stand behind me. I won't let you be killed.
There are many people on here who do report discussions that are against guidelines. I myself don't report anything other than abusive behavior.
I do think that Admin ought to send out a message when your discussion was deleted. It doesn't have to be manual, it could be automatically generated. When they delete a discussion, they could check a box as to the reason and then the message could include the reason.
At least that way, people would know why.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
7 Nov 09
Thanks dawn for saving my life as I am still alive.
even I have never reported against any one so far. But as you have put it, there are people who take a grudge or are not in agreement and just being vindictive do the ultimatum. This act is not recommended. i never resort to such thing.
@coycoy (18)
• India
6 Nov 09
Hi krajibg,
Very interesting discussion you have initiated. The water in the moon has particularly caught my attention. Now when even the NASA has reconfirmed that there is water in the moon but in a different form surely thee would arise the question of human habitation there. I am not sure, nor did I see that discussion but if anything related to moon and the habitation there is discussed should not have been deleted for I have seen many such discussion based on hypothesis but life in moon is no longer a hypothesis now as water had been traced.
If somebody reported against such discussion would be a dirty minded fellow and should quit mylot at the earliest.
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
6 Nov 09
Welcome to myLot coycoy.
If that discussion was removed then there was a reason which we, the users, cannot be aware of. It might not have been an original post but an article copied from another site. That is an offence.
It might have been a topic which has already been discussed here. MyLot delete repeated topics.
: http://www.mylot.com/o/guidelines.aspx
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
6 Nov 09
Copy pasting is what i have ever gone against. If any one has to say something should come forward and tell on the face.
@LetranKnight25 (33121)
• Philippines
6 Nov 09
hello krajibg,
they're under-staff, that's what it is, seriously i mean, how can one delete such discussion, if it's not even a violation, i believe some one in the mylot office must be over worked and forgot the criteria of deleting discussions. or maybe some one has a grudge on the other that they report it out of revenge, possibly not am not sure if it has happened yet. i think we should re evaluate the rules ourselves, i know the rules can be changed, they have that power, unfortunately they enjoy playing god and anonymous from time to time. well, former users have undoubtly criticized this site for some what controling some of other's expression, but mostly is with regards to earnings
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
6 Nov 09
Reeyan when you joined here I wonder if you read the TermsofUse?
It is stated there that myLot do NOT inform us when they delete our posts and you AGREED to this when you joined.
If you didn't read it then that is not myLot's problem
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@fairyprinces (93)
• Maldives
6 Nov 09
Hi, interesting discussion here.
From the materials I read in mylot, criticism whether positive or negative is not beyond this forum. The lesson learned here should be that as humans we are individuals who are someway or the other diffrent from each other. The undenaable proof is finger prints. This is the rule of the creator and our thoughts no matter how similer would differ in some minor way.
When a sentence or word shouts out negativeness for one, for the other its absolute positiveness. In every religion, country, household, or even individuals follow a set of rules which somehow has conflicts in the other persons mind.
The rules always comes from the top or the creator because he is the owner of the particular product whether its us humans, or forums like Mylot. Rules were created and put for reasons and most would follow while few would want to break even on purpose, just to check the consequences.So one should always try and respect the rules of the game if he wants to continue to play.
Than again if so many feel there is injustice, we should try and offer our ideas for improvement. Maybe if you we put our heads together and offer the admin a solution or suggestions on how to avoid good discussions being deleted than the deletion problem could be solved and no ones feelings would be hurt unnecessarily.
Deletion could be felt like a slap for the person who feel his thoughts are valued. I hope I don't get slapped myself.
In the meantime I hope we figure out a sound solution. Cheers...
@coycoy (18)
• India
6 Nov 09
Hi fairyprinces,
That is fine that one should respect the rules. But what if the rules have arbitrariness? If a rule it should be equally applicable on all but when it does not get that level where would you stand? please clear your stance. We can talk for the sake of ta[king but how many are there who stick to the real essence of talking?
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
7 Nov 09
Well fairyprinces, what do you thing could invite deletion? If the post contains racial conflict, if it is an attack on an individual, if it is obscene, if it violates all the TOS of mylot and certain other sensitive issues. But why delete if it is an innocent post or a hypothesis or something real but difficult to digest by some members here. Now tell me is it justified or is there any logic?
@fairyprinces (93)
• Maldives
6 Nov 09
Hi again,
Good question. Cant speak on anyone behalf and say he follows rules. I try even though its hard at times... But really lets find a way around this deletion issue. Something like someone gets for abuser rated than maybe the discussion could be put on a forum for a day or so for a voting. Maybe it will help.