So You Believe Health Care Is A Right, And Your Point Is What?

..and the bigger government gets (and every new program means government just morphed into a larger entity) the less rights the people have, because we lose the all important balance of power which came from the checks and balances upon power which is the basis of the constitution and bill of rights.. Some folks are not even aware that the bill of rights exclusively restricts the rights of government, something which has been a slippery slope for some time now..

All men ARE created equal. But not ALL put forth equal effort. And government's job is to ensure all have an equal playing field, equal opportunity. Instead of taking and then giving away what someone has earned, why couldn't they have leveled the playing field? Insurance reform, tort reform...to lower malpractice insurance costs thereby lowering the cost of a doctor's visit or hospital stay. Why not ensure that all have opportunity to purchase healthcare with what THEY make? And for those who cannot earn a living...we had programs for that. My son spent the last week in ICU. He was taken from one ICU here in our home town, to one in St. Louis. He got the BEST care and his life was saved. He had no insurance. The social workers are helping him apply for medicaid...retro active. Some would say...that is not fair. But I don't mind my taxes going to help save the lives of others who are unfortunate and who couldn't have health insurance. What I DO mind is the government saying what they will pay for and what they won't pay for. My son was on the liver transplant list...thank God he did not need a transplant. I asked the doctors if his not having insurance would be a factor in his getting a liver if needed. I was VERY afraid my son's life would depend on it. I was assured by a very kind specialist...who probably has spent all of his adult life training to save lives (and has outrageous student loan bills)...that that was NOT a factor. He smiled, and said thank God your son did not get sick a few years down the road...then I asked him what he meant. (I was so tired and scared I truly did not get it) He smiled again...put his arm on my shoulder and said...We still have the say in this. A few years from now we may not. I thank God for the wonderful care my son got...and he will recover fully and go on to pay VERY high taxes in return!

My son is not married, this is true. But he is not unemployed...that is when he went into ICU...is was employed. We are waiting for his employer to respond to find out if he will have a job. As for your other statements....a doctor on the transplant team told us that financial considerations are not part of the criteria that is used to determine who gets a transplant at this time...only the age, overall health (the presence of other chronic health issues), viability (ability to survive operation) of the patient is considered as to who is given an organ and who is not.

You are kidding...right? Have you ever been to the ER? It is not free,...not by a long shot. In fact you pay a pretty penny more...way more. Even if you are lucky enough to have insurance...your cost on the insurance is going to be far greater if you go to the ER.

You're mistaken...treatment in the ER consists of temporary fixes and stabilization. You cannot walk into an ER and receive life saving chemotherapy or radiation if you have cancer. They won't admit you and perform surgery for free. If you have heart disease that's not killing your right that minute they will not admit you and treat you for that either. The ER will also not perform orthopedic surgery. The ER will not check your cholesterol and give you medication nor will they give you medication for high blood pressure. I could go on but I won't.

Thanks sid, I forgot to mention the financial aspect of going to the ER. Yes, they will send you a bill...a big bill...and expect you to pay it. If you don't pay it, it goes on your credit report and eventually turned over to a collection agency who then calls you day and night in an effort to get that big bill paid.

If health care is a right then that should be your right.

[b]Sid, I salute you for your honesty & bravery, & for your unwillingness to claim a "right" which doesn't exist, that of demanding others pay your way. But take heart, there are answers. The bill the House just passed doesn't have them, but there are ways--legal, moral ways--to improve things. See my other posts for more details on that. God be with you, dear. I'll pray (& fight for) the ways we can find the help you need. Maggiepie IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER![/b]

Getting rid of all lobbying and lobbyists in Washington would take care of so much that is wrong in the society, as the politicians who benefit from the lobbying pass laws and regulations that are not of benfit to the people. I truly think the only thing all this government involvement will result in is yet another layer of buraucracy and expense.. And I think it will actually result in less healthcare.

[b]There are some real problems, but those problems are not fixed by the draconian "health care reform" monstrosity! All it does is make it even harder to get help, & take away our freedom! Tort reform, allowing more competition among companies across state lines, & so on, would do the job, but then, that's not the reason the Left wants this thing, anyhow. It's about control. Of every part of your life. All the promises the Left made about this thing, from what's in it to what it will coat to how it was created, were cynically broken. Lied about from the get-go! They've been forced to keep only one--the "no paid abortions" rule--but they're going to try their best to negate it (secretly, of course. "Transparency!? We don't neeeed no stinkin' transparency! We're in power now; we'll do whatever we damned well please! Thbbbt!"). Mark my words. At least I won't have to eat my own words. There is no such animal as "free" health care! The bill the House just passed is a beast, though; I'll give it that...a beast from the pits of Hell. Maggiepie IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER![/b]

We shall see gewcew. I responded to your play on words above.

[b]Ronny, you seem to be ignorant of one very important fact! The state is the only one which takes the money from you & I to pay for this health care. There is no-one who voluntarily shells out the money to do this--whom do you think would make "those who can pay (a debatable status in & of itself...)" to make the funds "go toward improving the health facilities for those who cannot pay"? The money fairy? No! It is the government who "redistributes" our money! Furthermore, there isn't enough money to give everyone health care, so it's going to wreck our already dying financial system, & we are borrowed up to our eyebrows already from other countries! China hesitates now to lend us more money! How soon before they call in their debt? The dollar is dying, & this insane, sky-high costly bill will result in poorer health care, rationing of what we can get, & a lack of freedom never experienced in our formerly free country! You need to study the problem far more deeply. Maggiepie IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER![/b]

You hit the nail on the head, those of us who work hard, go to college work hard to better our lives end up paying for those who do not. They are essentially sucking us down along with them, and the government is accomadating this.

Sorry I did not mean to say that only those who go to college work hard, I meant anyone who works hard to better themselves and take care of their families.

the only way they can provide it, it to take away from someone else. all men are created equally...so, how do the decide among the equals who deserves their aid, who shouldn't? and by helping those they find deserving of the help, aren't they extending the right to that help to all the others who need that help? or, are we the taxpayers destined to be the new slave class, paying for those benefits for others, while doing without ourselves?

Government loves to control, but what is sicker is those that want to be controlled.

[b]Hey, no argument here! I'm so disgusted with the "entitlement mentality" overtaking our country now. I have railed against this for years, to little avail. I wonder if it's too late to reverse this crud. Sigh. Not that I'm going to quit fighting, but, at times, I do think, maybe if I stopped banging my head against this wall of ignorance, it would make my headache stop.... But then I realize, it would just give me a bigger migraine if I just let it happen without a fight. "Do not grow weary of doing good," says the bible. Yes Sir. I hear You. Maggiepie IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER![/b]

I don't know as it is a right. If it is...many of us don't have it. What I do see with this country is that we do an awful lot to provide for other countries to help them while those in our own country ...well who could care less. Pretty much if you don't work at all...you qualify for tons of help. If you work and can't afford insurance, heat, food, home...oh well....your're just skrewed. It's how it is.