why are there so many parents now who don't discipline their kids?

@Maggiepie (7816)
United States
November 10, 2009 10:05pm CST
[b]Maybe you've watched "Supernanny" &/or "Nanny 911", 2 TV series where sensible nannies & a camera crew come visit a family with wild children for a week, & change things so that parents learn how to control their unruly charges? It's one of my favorite things to watch, when I'm tired of news or movies. I am fascinated by the parents in these whacked-out households, who have no clue about the simplest, most common-sense techniques of rearing children to have manners & a sense of responsibility, as well as any knowledge of how to treat one another or even their own parents! They're foul-mouthed, nasty, cruel, lying, violent, manipulative little monsters, & the parents are terrified of giving them any discipline! Thus they have raised piggish little terrors whose company no-one desires, & who, were it not for these strict but clever nannies, would become self-centered teens, & presumably, adults. I know better than to think one must be a "friend" to one's child. Friendly, yes. Loving, yes! But there has to be a line of separation between parent & child, for many reasons. The kids have all the friends they need. Mom & Dad should stick to their most important task in life: being a wise parent, who--unlike a friend--must be able to (for the child's own benefit!) be authoritative, & even, at times, unpopular with their children. (Gasp!) Once I was shopping in a very large grocery store, & I heard some child screaming & crying--from the other side of the building, no less--& he went on having a tantrum (the sound was not one of pain or terror, but anger) for forty-five earsplitting, headache-generating minutes! I could not believe some parent hadn't long since put a stop to it! Eventually my search took me near the checkout registers, where there was a long line of clearly suffering shoppers. Mom & kid were near the back of it. I could almost see thought balloons drawn over the pair's neighbors' heads with "WOULD YOU pleeeeze JUST SHUT UP?!" printed in them. I looked at the mom. She was ignoring the kid, who looked to be around 7, tops. Old enough to know better, at any rate. As she seemed oblivious (or maybe just too embarrassed--or could she be one of those Supernanny candidates?) to our collective misery, & realized, it wasn't she who was in control, but Little Lord Tantrumboy, who at this point didn't even look peeved, let alone angry, but was just screaming shrilly out of habit. There was no expression, just NOISE ON STEROIDS. I believe in addressing the source of a problem, so I spoke. To the kid. I said: "Hey! Kid! What the heck's the matter with you?! Do you know people can hear you clear to the back of this store?" He was shocked into silence. He goggled at me. Mom looked everywhere but at me or the kid. Others looked at the ceiling..or maybe to Heaven.... The silent speech balloons now read, "Oh, THANK you!!!") I continued. "No-one's hurting you--you should be ashamed for creating such a row over nothing! Why don't you calm down, for pete's sake? Can't you see you're embarrassing your mother?? Now be quiet! Cry when you have a good reason to, not just when you're just trying to get your own way!" Lecture finished, I turned & started to leave. One moment later, some hippie-slacker type walking by & growled, "You ought to be ashamed of yourself, talking like that to a kid!" I'm not positive, but I think the local victims' thought balloons echoed what I told him to do with his opinion. After that, I was a few steps out of sight down another aisle, on my way to finish my shopping, when I heard the little screamer start to wind up like a siren. I heard this: "WaaaaAA--" "SHHH!" (Quickly & sharply shushed) Silence...blessed silence. "Ahhhhh....." (That last from me, at least) So, do you think I was wrong, doing my intervention? I just felt somebody needed to do something! Maybe I could have been a trifle nicer, but I've never been nice when I have a migraine. What, if anything, would you have said or done?" Maggiepie IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER![/b]
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@deebomb (15304)
• United States
11 Nov 09
Parents these days are so afraid of hurting their kids selfesteem that they don't have the common sense that God gave a goose. I have watched Super Nanny and find it really appalling that these parents let their kids have control of the home. I read some where that Dr Spock the baby Dr of the forties and fifties Was the start of all these down hill discipline problems.
@deebomb (15304)
• United States
11 Nov 09
By the way I think you did the right thing. this behavior could be understood in a 3 year old but not a seven year old. Some one needs to let both the kid and the mother that his behavior is unexceptionable
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
11 Nov 09
[b]Thank you. I confess [i]have considered that I may have been too harsh, but frankly, my head & nerves had just had it, & maybe I can be forgiven for leaning on that excuse. In any case, I couldn't think of anything else. Besides......it worked! Oh, & yes, I recall all the debate over Dr. Spock (people kept excusing the bad behavior by saying that "the parents just weren't following his advice properly." I don't know, because honestly, I never got around to reading his work. But a lot of folks did, & over the decades, his theories seem to have been debunked by the majority of "experts." I don't know if that's what at the root of this incredible disconnect from common sense many modern parents have, or something else. I just know what works (love, fairness, consistency in all things, a united front from the parents, & creative discipline). People need to learn: "Parent" isn't only a noun, but a verb, as in, "to parent!" I'm just sayin'... Maggiepie "IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER!"[/i][/b]
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
11 Nov 09
[b]Ack! Italic overload alert! So sorry! Duh... Maggiepie "IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER!"[/i][/b]
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
22 Nov 09
What kind of store allows kids in in the first place? Very strange. I would have expected grocery stores to have some kind of hygiene rules.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
22 Nov 09
[b] Funny. But you know, while we're on kids in stores, one does have to wonder why stores put "bulk bins" with such things as loose cereals or unwrapped candies in them, where kids can paw around in them with their bare hands. Well, to be fair, I haven't seen adults do this, but their hands would be no less unsanitary! Maggiepie WHERE ARE any OF OBAMA'S RECORDS?!?[/b]
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
22 Nov 09
I've never had to wonder about that actually as the shops in Greece don't do it. No doubt the shops there do it as part of the fast food and sugar culture. Personally though I deplore the use of the word kids as a term for children and I do tend to respond about goats to most who use that term. If you are complaining about their brattish behaviour which I completely concur with as I've seen plenty of tourist children acting like that then please have the courtesy to not actually use the term kids and thus insult our large goat population. I am proud to say that the children here are so well brought up that you would never witness such a display here. Perhaps it is brought on by so much of the sugar lying around in open bins.
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@dawnald (85147)
• Shingle Springs, California
23 Nov 09
My parents were the sort that told us to do something, completely disappeared and then came back and were shocked, yes SHOCKED that nothing had gotten done. That was when the yelling started. And they wondered why it was so hard to get us to do anything (aside from their complete failure to lead by example, of course). I have learned quite a lot from Supernanny, actually. Anyway, if I had been there when you did that, I would have been applauding, I think. Now my son has autism and even at age 9, he can get quite unreasonable about things. It's because he can't always express things with words like his sister can. But autism or no autism, I would never have let him carry on like that for 45 minutes. I would have been out of there...
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
23 Nov 09
[b]Well, if he did have autism (all kids that act that way can't claim that excuse), I didn't realize it; he had no trouble focusing on me, anyway. Had I a single sign, or if the mom had explained, I would have apologized, natirally, but I still would have suggested she go outside 'til he calmed down. But when I say I spoke to the kid, I knew that "mom" was hearing me, too, & should have known better than to let him go on & on like that. You're right. So she finally did the right thing--she shushed him--& it cut off in mid-whine!--& left, Elic said. She could have done the same thing many migraines before she did! I really am angry at thoughtless "parents" who raise little monsters. If she didn't start clamping down immediately, by now he's a teen, & that's the naturally rebellious stage. Combine that hormonal gush & testing the limits with a kid whose always gotten what he wanted by throwing tantrums, & you have a probable candidate for jail! How dare the rest of us not give in to his shrill demands? Why, how shocking! I just hope "mom" learned that not everyone likes her job performance & the noisy product she produced. She really needs to rethink her role! Anyway, I swear it was if I could read minds & hear the "applause!" Thanks for the feedback! Maggiepie STALKERS WILL BE EATEN...[em]ninja[/em[/b]
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@dawnald (85147)
• Shingle Springs, California
24 Nov 09
I'm sure he didn't have autism. From your description of the mother's behavior, you can see where it all started. She is going to be in a world of trouble with that child (as if she isn't already) if she doesn't immediately start putting her foot down.