So You Do Not Want To Subsidized Those Without Insurance?

@gewcew23 (8007)
United States
November 11, 2009 4:44pm CST
One of the argument for making health insurance mandatory, punishable by fines and even jail time, is that those without health insurance are having their health care subsidised by those with health insurance. So are we now against subsidizing others? Should the young subsidize the old through Social Security? Should those without children subsidize those with children by paying for the public education system?
6 responses
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
12 Nov 09
Some are...but there's a very large group of Americans who aren't. They're called working class Americans without insurance.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
12 Nov 09
So why not just regulate the health insurance companies the way they have other industries. Why get the government involved as a provider of insurance....and possibly make even MORE problems such as we have with the current government programs Medicare/Medicaid?
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
12 Nov 09
Have you ever considered being a screenwriter....you write very VIVID responses...had me biting my nails. Seriously, not yet...but coming soon!
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
12 Nov 09
If you look at the numbers most of the uninsured either have the money to purchase it and choose not to. There is another large group that qualifies for government programs that provide health insurance and choose not to sign up for the programs. Even under the House Health Care Bill and we will have 25 to 35 millions not covered.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
12 Nov 09
So, do you want to be the one to tell a mother of a dying child that since she has no insurance....there will be nothing done to save her child?
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
12 Nov 09
Missybal...lol...I am on your side. I do not advocate the current reform of healthcare. I was asking the OP what he would do if he was a healthcare provider and was faced with someone who had no insurance.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
12 Nov 09
I will respond about the education question since I am here responding again. No matter how difficult times get here in America, I would hate to think that we'd turn into hermits who cared only for ourselves and quit caring for our neighbors. One of the reasons I love my country is because it is populated with kind and giving, and compassionate people. I homeschooled my children, yet I did not mind paying property taxes to fund public education for those who wanted to send their children to public schools. I felt as a citizen it was a benefit to ME and MINE to see all receive an education. Same with paying for medicare and medicaid...even though I have issues with the Dept. of Education, the Dept. of Health and Human Services handling of their programs and mandates...I realize that they do some good and are better than NOTHING.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
12 Nov 09
I apologize by not answering your question in a timely manner, but I had an issue to take care of after I wrote my piece. I did noticed that your child question was changed to and adult, so I will address the adult and not the child. If you wish for me to opine about your child question I can too. Let me address your question this way. If a starving man walked into a restaurant and told the owner/manager, or who ever that he had not eaten for how ever long you want, and informed them that he did not have the money to pay but wanted food any how. The person of the restaurant could handle the starving man any way they wanted to. The people of the restaurant could give the starving man food for one day, hundred days, or no food at all. The only motive that the people of the restaurant is to make money, it is not to provide food. Every hospital that receives one dime in Medicare must treat everyone regardless of insurance status. Insurance is not health care, it is just one tool to pay for that health care service. One can pay for their own medical services out of their own pocket. This way might be expensive, but hospitals do allow payment plans, you just have to explain your situation to them.
@missybal (4490)
• United States
12 Nov 09
I had a doctor's appointment this week... cost me $44 for the visit no health insurance. That is more than they would have got from when I had Tricare and saves them money in processing the claim and fighting with the insurance company! What's going to be created by this system is that the private health insurance companies will subsidize the government health insurance until the private health insurance and keep driving the premiums up. Good question about those without children paying public school education. Really is it fair for parents who pay for private school to still pay for the public school system they didn't want their children in. If I could opt out of Social Security I would. I don't believe it will be there anyways when I reach the age to collect.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
12 Nov 09
Who's your doctor! I pay $75. New patients pay $150. Wow, wish it was that inexpensive here.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
12 Nov 09
People make choices every day. I choose to buy Health Insurance and Life Insurance so that if something happens my family will not suffer. I know other people who are buying new cars and big ticket electronics rather than insurance. I think that Social Security should be privatized. I have been paying into SS for over 40 years and may not get all out that I paid in. If I die in 5 years my family will not see any of what I put in. Yet someone who has not worked can collect SSI (Supplemental Social Security Insurance) paid out of SS funds. I favor making parents responsible for their children's education.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
12 Nov 09
A ponzi scheme is a system in which the original investor are paid by new investor money. Under a ponzi scheme investor number 1, 2, 3, and 4 are paid my money from investor 5 through 12. To pay 5 through 12, 13 through 28 are recruited to invest which their investments are given to investor 5 through 12. This scheme goes on until no new investor are recruited and the whole house of cards come crashing down.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
12 Nov 09
Social Security is just a Ponzi scheme. What the government is doing with it is no different than what Madoff did to his victims.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
12 Nov 09
I've wanted to ask...at the risk of seeming stupid...just what IS a ponzi scheme?
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
12 Nov 09
Why should the government be subsidizing anyone? That is not the purpose of the government and it is beyond the authority given to the Federal Government by the Constitution. Even Social Security is unconstitutional... and I say that while collecting SSA Disability... which I paid into for some 30 years.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
12 Nov 09
When did the Federal government start caring about the Constitution.
• United States
12 Nov 09
When it started getting in the way of what they wanted to do to We The People...
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
13 Nov 09
afterall...it's just a d*mn piece of paper!
@connierebel (1557)
• United States
11 Nov 09
yes, I am against subsidizing, as that is a form of legal theft, and 'taking from the rich to give to the poor". Besides, if we do not want to get healthcare, we should not be forced to do so. It is our right to take the risk of getting bankrupted by medical costs, if we want to take that risk. That is the whole point of freedom, to be able to decide for ourselves what we need, and take responsibility for our own actions. We work hard for a living and our earnings should not be stolen to pay for those who don't.