Someone finally got a clue!

United States
November 12, 2009 3:12pm CST
Some congressmen (just a handful) have proposed a constitutional amendment that would put term limits on how long someone can serve in congress and the house. About time they realized what a problem it was not to have it. THey are saying 12 years in congress and 6 years in the house. Personally I think congress should be limited to two terms. I might be willing to go three terms on the house but I would rather limit them to two terms also. Jim DeMint (R-SC) has said that " "Americans know real change in Washington will never happen until we end the era of permanent politicians.""As long as members have the chance to spend their lives in Washington, their interests will always skew toward spending taxpayer dollars to buyoff special interests, covering over corruption in the bureaucracy, fundraising, relationship building among lobbyists, and trading favors for pork -- in short, amassing their own power." Amen to that. At least my state has one politican we can be proud of. It is going to need a 2/3 vote to get passed. Think its got a prayer? What will you think if your federal elected officials vote against it? Will you support this bill?
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
12 Nov 09
I'll go one further and say the amendment that allowed reps to be selected by vote should be repealed. This would leave at one house of congress free of lobby influence, campaign fraud and such and would probably return it to more serving the interest of the states rathe than of the federal government. I honetly don't think this has a prayer either. We could in all likelyhood get both ratified by the nessesary number of states, but the odds of congress cutting their own throat are pretty slim. It is almost as realistic as hoping they'd vote themselves a pay cut.
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• United States
12 Nov 09
I know I know. But it seems it should not be in there power to do this. Do you get to decide if you get a pay raise? Do you get to decide how long you get to keep your job? So why are they allowed to decide these things for themselves? Of course they are going to vote themselves a pay raise every year, of course they are not going to limit the amount time they have in office to rob and steal. It never made sense to me that they got to decide these things for themselves.
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• United States
12 Nov 09
As far as their pay raises, I think a reasonable solution would be to set their pay raises at the rate of inflation, or maybe say no more than 110% the inflation rate. That way if inflation was 3% the most their pay could raise is 3.3%. I am not opposed to their pay being raised, I just don't think it should be a huge raise. I don't even know, as percentage, what a typical Congressional pay raise is. If it tends to be in line with inflation, then I have no problem with it, and do not have a problem with legislation or congressional rule setting their raises to mirror inflation.
• United States
13 Nov 09
reppie- are you aware that congress got their pay raise for this year...but voted against social security getting a cost of living increase this year. So the already rich congress got even more money....while the poor people on social security did not. Something is wrong with that picture. They are more than willing to give themselves a pay raise but not willing to give a cost of living increase to the voting public on social security. Shame on them. They do not deserve their pay raise.
@Qaeyious (2357)
• United States
12 Nov 09
If this is such a problem, it's the voters' fault for voting for such people. That's all we have to do, and the problem would be solved right now. I would rather see lobbying restricted or more regulated.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
12 Nov 09
AMEN!! I'd love to see lobbyists outlawed completely, at least corporate lobbyists. We as individuals should have more "power" than the huge companies that are constantly screwing us! Annie
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• United States
13 Nov 09
Oh I would like that too. OUTLAW ALL LOBBYIST! and I want term limits and campaign fiance reform. What can I say...I want it all.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
12 Nov 09
What they've proposed is two terms, or 12 years for Senators and three terms or 6 years for members of the House of Representatives. This really isn't anything new since it was a big part of Newt Gingrich's 1994 "Contract For America". Interestingly, many of those who ran and won on that went back on their own pledge to "limit" their own terms and are still there. Many of those who aren't still there were voted out and didn't leave voluntarily. Those who are proposing it now didn't suddenly "get a clue", it's nothing more than a gimmick trying to capitalize on the anti-incumbent mood right now. Ironically, all of those who have put their name on this proposal have already announced their retirement from the Senate. I don't think it has a prayer since it needs 2/3 votes in both Houses of Congress then it has to be ratified by most of the states. Personally - and I KNOW this isn't a popular view - I'm not for a Constitutional Amendment for term limits. I certainly know there are many who have been there too long and maybe a mandatory retirement age would be a good idea, but I believe it should be up to the voters to limit their own Senators and Representatives terms. Granted, "We the People" as a group need to pay more attention and get out and vote and those who just automatically vote for one party over the other or for the incumbent whichever party he or she is in should do their homework, but I don't think "throwing the baby out with the bath water" is the right answer. The one thing I think we really, REALLY need before we even begin to discuss term limits is true, meaningful campaign finance reform. Otherwise we risk replacing some of the admittedly few good experienced lawmakers with new members who have little going for them other than deep pockets full of cash! Annie
• United States
13 Nov 09
I do think we need term limits. But I also think we need campaign fiance reform and outlaw lobbyist. But we have to take it one bill at a time. And I don't see this congress doing any of those things.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
19 Nov 09
Annipa...we agree! lol and yes, I do even agree with gramma. Feels good, for a change. lol We do need a house cleaning in Congress. We go on about all the things we don't care for in the Executive branch...but don't realize that it is Congress that actually makes the laws and governs the people. Not that the president doesn't do anything...but he is limited by Congress. I see the problem as being when one party controls both Congress and the White House. There is no balance in that.
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
13 Nov 09
I would definately support it...I don't think they need to stay in there more than just term or two. Too many of them have gotten comfortable in their position and they need to find a new spot...get some fresh ideas in there. [b]~~I AM WHO I AM~~ **STANDING STRONG IN MY BELIEFS**[/b]
• United States
20 Nov 09
I would be just fine with limiting all of them to two terms.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
13 Nov 09
Did you mean 12 years in the Senate and 6 in the house? That should be reversed, and cut in half. 3 years in the Senate, and 6 years in the House.
• United States
13 Nov 09
A single term for the senate is 6 years. So you would limit them to not even one full term. Limiting them to 12 years would only be 2 terms (elected twice). Just like the president can only serve two terms. Or be elected twice. The house is only a two year term. Which means it would give them three terms. They would be allowed to be elected three times to office.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
14 Nov 09
Really! lol. Here I thought they were elected to a 3 year term. Darn it. Well now that I think about it...... That sounds like a great plan! You get three years, and the seat remains empty for 3 years. That sounds wonderful! The less they are in congress, the less they can screw everything up.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
14 Nov 09
Let me put it another way. I believe that the more powerful the position, the less time you should be allowed in that position. It's the idea that power corrupts. So I want people with power, there for the least time. I would much rather have the Senate with 2-year terms, and the house with 6 year terms. I'd almost advocate the president being a one year term. Of course look how bad the current president is screwing up the country in one year. Our children will be paying off this single one year mistake for the next 50 years.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
19 Nov 09
Apparently, Congress has taken notice of our discontent. WND supported a camaign of sending 'pink slips' to Congress. Anyone aware of it? I just came from Whiteheather's discussion on it. I found this report on CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/17/pink.slip.protest/ It's good to know that they at least acknowledge our discontent. Perhaps they will reconsider their self interest now?
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
19 Nov 09
btw...5 million pink slips were sent to Congress...and that's saying alot as you had to spend $30 to send one.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
13 Nov 09
If the President can only serve two term then Congress should only serve two term, but two in the Senate and three in the House will work. Does this have any chance, well I have a better chance at winning the Socialist party nomination on a platform of smaller government than Congress passing a bill that limits the terms they can serve. The only way this could pass is if there was wide spread pressure put on Congress. The kind of pressure that says if you do not vote for this we will term limit you ourselves.
• United States
13 Nov 09
I would love to see the public get behind this and put that kind of preasure on them to pass this....or else.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
13 Nov 09
I would favor term limits and going back to what the Constitution called for. Let the states appoint the Senators, they would be beholden to the states and not special interest. The House members should be 1 for every 30,000 people. Just think we might even get to see our Rep and know who they are. They would have to come and see us and talk to us if they wanted our vote.
• United States
13 Nov 09
I would like to see legislation making members of the federal house and congress off the federal pay roll and on to their state's payroll.
• United States
12 Nov 09
I'm for eliminating the house rule that sets the number of representatives at 435. Originally, under the constitution there was supposed to be one representative for every 30,000 citizens, something like that. In the early 1900's Congress determined that a House of Representatives that large was unmanageable, so they set the number at 435. The argument of being unmanageable is mute because of the great advancements in technology we have experienced over the last 100 years. With the internet and Telecommunications, we could easily expand the size of congress, and still be manageable. Currently, there is approximately 300 million people in the US. That means that each representative represents nearly 700,000 Americans. I understand that a representative for every 30,000 Americans is silly. Just as technology has allowed for a larger Congress, technology has allowed for a larger number of represented. However, being set at 435 is against the spirit of the Constitution in my opinion. The reason incumbents so easily get re-elected is because they have the resources to campaign to the masses, where challegers do not have such resources. If we changed the rule so that every 150,000 americans we would not need to have campaign finance reform because the financial backing of incumbents could easily be neutralized by grass-roots financing of challengers. Plus 3rd parties could really become a factor, as door-to-door campaigning would be a viable option.
• United States
13 Nov 09
I agree it needs to be revisited. With modern technology a larger congress would be managable...but also more exspensive. We would definately need term limits. We need less career politicans not more.
• United States
16 Nov 09
Even though we voters should be more aware of what's going on in Washington and how our representatives are voting, not enough of us are paying attention and therefore continue to put the same representatives back into office time after time. The only way I can see to remedy that is with term limits. I don't see Congress ever approving it, though. I truly believe most of them, Republicans and Democrats, believe they're entitled to the job. Since Congress won't go for it, is it possible for the states to get together and demand a Constitutional Convention? If the states got together and demanded a nationwide vote on the issue, maybe term limits could come to pass.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
13 Nov 09
Although I would love to see term limits in both the house and senate, I don't think this bill has a snowballs chance. I wouldn't be at all surprised if my elected officials vote for it, and hope it doesn't pass. Of course, we the voters could take care of the matter ourselves, but I'm not holding my breath on that either.
• United States
13 Nov 09
i am not holding my breath...but do hope it passes.
• Philippines
12 Nov 09
i agree! and i also think that with all the politics i have seen foreign and domestic i can say this with complete and utter certainty, that is governments all around the world are terrible at politics! lol they problem is simple the fact that they can do what they are elected to do in secret, rather than out in the open is a huge factor. there are so many crap that goes along with politicians it is a wonder why they do not carry lots of toilet paper whereever they go...
@Buffalo1 (103)
• United States
13 Nov 09
You are right. Term limits are long overdue. Maybe three terms is the most I can see. I don't know if it's got a prayer.
• United States
13 Nov 09
I would have a prayer if the public got behind it.