"Political stagecraft" - POLITICAL WITCHCRAFT

Wow, I see your belief in conspiracy theories goes way back! You're entitled to your beliefs but I can see discussing this will get us nowhere. Let's just say I firmly believe this man will be convicted and probably executed and that our government will get to the bottom of it. Annie

Debrakcarey - following along the lines of the vietnam war that nixon refused to pull the troops out of, and other staged events to help win the public vote to go to war, have you considered the possibility that during W's administration, they planted or staged a coup and had our twin towers taken down? That certainly enabled the "War on terror". I think taking 3000 civilians out is a far greater loss than 13 1/2 on a fort base. This was obviously an isolated event, and human nature took over. Not terrorism. If the shooter spoke in Arabic, that is because that is how he spoke. Not all Arabs are terrorists. Shocker, I know.

I could not make that link work, Debra. Please repost. As for what anniepa said, the truth that is going to be exposed is from several years ago, and people will try to doll it up as though it is Obama's fault. If you look at my post below, you may be interested in the movies about the petroleum dollar and the lack of weapons of mass destruction. You do realize that the W administration said that whoever financed the attack on the towers "was of little significance." And oddly, tower 7 held many financial and fbi reports. And that was taken down, too, the same day. There are many conspiracy theories, its just how things work in politics. But the majority that have been proven true refer to the W administration. They did make a boogie man out of anyone of the muslim faith, so it is hard to trust obama, but so far, he has done a damn good job, with all the cards intentionally stacked against him.

[b]One has to wonder what flavor of Kool-ade she's drinking...Jim Jones Purple? There is no hope for such ostriches. Maggiepie "WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]

Anniepa...please go read the Issues tab at freedomforce.org

At that tab..you will find six links to pdf files that chronicle a lot of what our government has been hiding from us. With links in the footnotes to back it up in mainstream media and historical archives. Admittedly it is A LOT of reading...but it is very educational and necessary to know if you really want to understand what is taking place in the here and now.

[b]Well, we could, if we asked God to restore discernment to our souls. Pray for discernment. He will give you insight. Blessings on you from on high! Maggiepie "WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]

Maggiepie, you have hit the nail right on the head. We no longer as a people can discern the difference between right and wrong. We've collectively accepted the idea that might makes right, when in reality it is right that makes might. We stopped being right a long time ago, we got lazy and we got complacent and we allowed greed and violence to permeate our culture. We accepted the BIG lie, that you can live how you want and not be accountable to God....and now we cannot tell what is a lie and what is the truth.

I remember 9/11/01. It was a significant year in my life. I remember Cynthia McKinney voicing her concern that the Bush administration either knew of the attacks or had a hand in it, and she quickly lost her job. I believe the US government orchestrated the attacks on the towers and its subsequent cover-up, and blaming the Al-Quadea gave an "in" to the "War on Terror". A radical pacifist just killed 14 people who were planning to kill hundreds of thousands of innocents. I can remember a time where an anti-abortionist held so strongly his convictions that he killed a doctor who performs abortions. Perhaps that anti-abortionist prayed to his own god when he committed that murder. When people prepare for war, or hard times, they often grab their religious symbol, ie a cross. Some people do the sign of the cross before committing terrible acts. Soldiers kill. That is what they are trained to do. They are following orders from the liars above. There were no weapons of mass destruction, nor is there any imminent danger coming from Iraq, accept for the loss of the value of the dollar. The capitalistic US will never use our own oil reserves, as we first steal it from all other countries, and then, when that is exhausted, will go to our reserves, heavily raising the cost per barrel, of course, and silencing and disappearing anyone who comes up with an alternate method of fuel: ie: Diesel and villifying industrialized hemp, which could make oil that would run our cars. These links below may interest you, it details in full how the oil war and the 9/11 conspiracy go hand in hand. I actually mentioned this exact thing in another thread, but will post it here, since you brought Hitler up. Saddam Hussein knew we needed his oil reserves to be sold in the US Dollar. He changed it to Euros, thus devaluing our dollars, taking a lot of power away from our country. That was his weapon of mass destruction: going after our currency and financial health. This method had been used before in the German war: the germans had jews counterfeit the british five pound paper money. Instead of dropping bombs, the germans dropped bags and bags of money, so people would find it, and spend it, and hopefully crash their economy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxVZ945JR5g&feature=PlayList&p=DF64F98BFA181DE3F&index=0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGWNzlWrzTY&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekdln_NZ-P4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgEfvi2sHQM&feature=related

I will review the website, but don't know about opening any files on my desktop. I think that I want to see how things pan out with Obama before coming to my judgment. I think he wants to pull us out of the war. I don't think it is as simple as just pulling out, although that makes the most sense. I think each way of leaving there comes with certain consequences and reactions, and Obama doesn't have the luxury to choose from "good ideas". His options are, "which sucks least?" It's not fair to blame him for the longevity of the war, when we don't know what he is up against behind the scenes in trying to pull out of the war. He is seventh cousins of Bush; and I do believe in the new world order and the illuminati, and anyone who is part Bush, I would never fully trust. I think Obama did a wise thing advising not to jump to any anti-"jihadist" conclusions. 9/11 was tragic, and alleged to be done by "Al-quaeda", even though some of the alleged hijakers are alive today. That resulted in a lot of anti-muslim hatred, so much so that a convenience store attendant was killed. He was wearing a turban. He was not muslim. He was Indian. Indians are pacifists. Do you see why Obama did not want to stir such a pot? And the sad truth is, we are so afraid of the unknown. Muslims are so much different than our culture here in the states. Creating a "terrorist" out of someone whose religion is so foreign to us, and whose culture boggles us is very easy to do. If we really want to get philosophical about it, we have terrorists in our day to life, hiding behind their bibles, or their second ammendments, or causing the deaths of 40,000 people per year denying health coverage to sick people. Why not create a smokescreen out of "habib", villify the everyday muslim, associate the word "muslim" with "terrorist" as often as we can, so we have a "them" to blame for all of OUR problems. Morgan Spurlock is one of my favourites; and this tv show may interest you. It chronicles an American living in a muslim country, and learning what they do for 30 days. You may learn from it. I am so pressed for time today, but will check your link out this weekend. :-) http://www.hulu.com/watch/5276/30-days-muslims-and-america#s-p4-so-i0 You may have to log-in to hulu to watch the above. And, on another note, I think there is a terrorist who has not been brought to surface yet: imagine all the kids in lower income areas. Sometimes their only option for a future is to go to the military, and then get money for college. Our own damn armed forces will lure our kids, particularly those in desperate situations who are longing to make a better life for themselves. They think they are going to get a computer education, or mechanical training, or something. No one tells them they have to kill ten people first, most of them being children. The terrorist is the one who comes up with a fake war on terror, manipulates and uses the desperate, blindfolds the media, and then uses all of the above to create a "homeland securities act", so they can impose more government, again, under the guise of a war on terror. The "weapons of mass destruction" found were not potent or strong enough, having been decades old, and were not live ammo. They were discards.

ladybu...I believe the information in your response to be factually incorrect. As you continually overreach in order to be "politically correct", I believe you have become blinded to being morally correct and do yourself a great injustice.