Will this really do everything except the washing up?
By katerina
@thea09 (18305)
Greece
November 15, 2009 6:51am CST
Apart from weighing the ingredients in the first place I've been led to believe that a breadmaker will do all the work for me, no kneading, no rolling dough, just pop the ingredients in and a nice cake or a loaf of bread will emerge. I'm tempted as it should be much cheaper than using the oven.
But what can a breadmaker really do for me, and will it make bread rolls too? I'm a breadmaker virgin so please enlighten me. I bake a lot and hate lining cake tins.
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26 responses
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
19 Nov 09
Orange jam, yum2x.. I'm going to have to try that one out.. thanks for reminding me of all this. I am now remembering my mom's cooking; the aroma of the oven in the kitchen and many more. Super yum tum..
I'm going to change my avatar again. I'm sick of this mug actually already.. LOL..
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
16 Nov 09
Hi Zed, I'm thinking you're interested as a good xmas present for mama.
I've just thought of another way they could be super useful, it is way too hot to cook or have an oven on in the summer over here, but this could make cakes and bread without over heating the kitchen.
Another new avatar I see, an improvement on yesterdays but I still like the original one best.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
18 Nov 09
They've persuaded me now and I'll be getting a bread maker next time I'm in town as they also make jam. I shall make orange jam to put on the home made bread as my son doesn't like marmalade he says, but is quite keen to try orange jam, not realising it is exactly the same thing as marmalade.
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@jb78000 (15139)
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15 Nov 09
i don't have one but know lots of people that do and they seem great - only thing you have to concentrate on is measuring out the ingredients correctly but they all come with instructions for all different kinds of bread or cakes, and if you already bake then you'll know some recipes of your own. have no idea about rolls though
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
15 Nov 09
No problem with the weighing as one needs to be precise on cakes anyway and I do pull the scales out for baking all the time. I'm a whizz at making up my own recipes once the basics are weighed anyway, olive and basil bread sounds pretty tempting.
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@jdyrj777 (6528)
• United States
17 Nov 09
It wasnt till recently that i started making my own bread. Im really quite surprized that its so easy. I had always dreaded the thought of doing it because i thought it difficult. I always wanted to learn so i just got a recipe and did it. Its amazing simple. Just think about it. I dont have to worry about my bread getting smashed on the way home. I also know how fresh it is. Im so glad i didnt buy a bread maker. I use a dutch oven pan to mix it in. Its very nice for sitting in a warm place too (for rising). There are so many bread recipes. Lately ive been thinking some cheese bread would be good for chicken snadwiches. Mmmmmmmm.
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@jdyrj777 (6528)
• United States
17 Nov 09
A dutch oven is the big 5qt pan that comes with the pan sets. I think they can be bought separately. I dont find making bread without the bread maker to be either messy or time consuming. I just mix it up let it set ina warm place till it rises. Punch it down then put in the baking pan let it rise again then bake it. Time in the kitchen is very little. Yes your hand get floury but its not bad. I do most my mixing with a spoon. There are kitchen gloves too or latex (doc gloves).
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
17 Nov 09
Hi jdyrj, well I've made my own bread and found it messy and time consuming and ties one to the kitchen for too long, which are all reasons why I asked about a bread maker and this lot here have now convinced me they are a wonderful invention.
The recipe bits are the easy bits, its all the messing around with floury fingers which puts me off, and up and down to the oven. What is a dutch oven pan if you don't mind me asking? I just use a large plastic mixing bowl, not being a good idea to use any breakable bowl in a house which has floor tiles which shatter anything I drop.
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@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
16 Nov 09
The breadmaker makes light, lucious loaves of bread, worthy of any table. You dump in the ingredients and away it goes, bringing the sweet smells of bread wafting through your whole house. I love it! I only make loaves of bread by hand now when I'm angry or need (knead) to think a tough problem through. Pummeling up the bread makes me feel a whole lot better.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
16 Nov 09
Hi mysticmaggie, I'm sold now, I don't think anyone can come along and persuade me out of it now. Tell me have you made jam in yours? A few people now say it makes jam but I've not heard of anyone doing it and I'm thinking home made marmalade here.
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@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
16 Nov 09
Never tried to make jam. Don't think mine has that as part of the deal since it is several years old. But I'm a purist with fresh bread. Give me a slice and a dab of fresh churned butter and I am in heaven!
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
16 Nov 09
Yes, a bread maker is great. It does all that and makes a lot of things other than bread: pizza crust dough and coffee cake to name a couple.
And you can buy premixed ingredients, or use your own from scratch! The only down side is that it generally make just one loaf at a time.
Karen
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
16 Nov 09
Hi karen, you threw me there for a moment, I thought you were saying it made coffee too. Funnily enough I bake lots of cakes and I don't eat much myself but my son does and they are always a success. Last week I decided to put a coffee cake in for myself as well and it was a complete unmitigated disaster. Maybe I shouldn't have used Greek coffee in it. Most of it is in the freezer now.
Pizza dough, that is one thing I've never made at home.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
16 Nov 09
I've never made a coffe cake with coffee in it. Here they are sweet bread/cake to eat while DRINKING coffee :D
xoxo
Karen
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@celestialbloom (204)
• United States
15 Nov 09
Oh, I love my bread machine, thea! I was always intimidated by making bread, but I remembered my stepmom having a machine when I was a kid, and the bread that came out was pretty good. So I asked my (now ex) partner for one for Christmas 3 or 4 years ago. I use it all the time! I think my stepmom probably only tried the manufacturer's recipes that came with the machine, because I've found many recipes, mostly online, that are outstanding. And now that I understand the baking process, I've started working out my own versions of the recipes that I like the best, so they can all be healthier, no sugar, no white flour, etc. Not only do I make all of my own bread in the machine, I also make bread for other folks too, as a bartering tool for veggies, fresh pork and beef, and a few other things. People rave about the stuff, and I like knowing that I am slipping health food to the folks I love! :)
Now, as far as whether you need to attend it: not really. If you have a really good recipe and do all of the measurements just right, everything should come out fine without any supervision at all. Many modern machines even have timer settings, so you can load them and have them start/finish at a certain time, like when you get up in the morning or come home from work. However, for most recipes, I find that I usually need to stick around for the first round of kneading to make sure that the dough isn't too dry or wet and so I can adjust it if needed. I just clean up the kitchen and take a peek at it every once in a while. So long as the dough is right, there shouldn't be a problem with the unevenly baked bread someone else mentioned. The machine, if new, will come with an instructions/tips/recipes book that is a big help starting off. (A tip mine didn't include: spray the pan with cooking spray; prevents flour from sticking to the sides.) Also, some recipes call for a little bit of attendance, like if it has fruit or nuts or some sort of topping like oats. These have to be added during later cycles, so you have to hang around a bit.
About rolls: most machines have a "dough" setting that allows you to throw in the ingredients and let it do all of the kneading and proofing (rising). However, you would still have to remove the dough (mine came with a dough hook), and separate and shape the rolls, then bake them in the oven. If you mainly eat rolls, I don't think a bread machine is worth your bother. However, for loaf-shaped goods like breads and cakes, they are totally worth it! Oh, and they also use less electricity than the oven. Sometimes I wish I had two! :)
Just FYI, mine is a Sunbeam with 12 baking choices, ranging from white and wheat to cakes and jam (never tried doing jam before!). It lets you choose how dark you want the crust, loaf size, and time you want it to start. The pan is super easy to clean; I usually just wipe it with a dish towel, because it is clean when the bread slides out. When it does need washing, it's very quick in the sink.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
17 Nov 09
No I think it was someone else concerned with the bread being fresh, I can simply freeze any excess I make. I probably pointed out that Greek bread isn't fresh by the next day, it can be but is generally too dry the next day for school sandwiches. Most of our bread gets dipped in olive oil. It really depends on the bread, the big round flat loaves are hard bread and best for toasting, and the long roll type is crusty and best fresh the same day or pulled from the freezer.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
16 Nov 09
Hi celestialbloom, well if Shirley hadn't already convinced me you certainly have, though I'm not sure a Greek one will have all these myriad features of yours for the price. I'll definitly look out for one with a time though. Previously they used to be very expensive so I do wonder about these 50 euro ones suddenly filling the shelves but you certainly make it sound as though it would fill all my needs. I'm very good at playing around with recipes or making them up, only the other week I was baking pomegrante cakes as I had a glut of fruit I didn't want to waste. If they work for cakes as well then it will save a fortune on oven costs as almost always do loaf shaped cakes but find the tin lining the tedious bit. When I've baked my own bread I've tended to do rolls as well, and little plaited things. but am more than happy to stick with loaf shapes, as I was just saying above we don't actually have square types of bread loaves here in Greece.
I'm sold I believe and don't see it sitting idle alongside the ice cream maker.
@celestialbloom (204)
• United States
16 Nov 09
Great, thea, I think you'll be very pleased with your purchase when you make it. :) I do not know anything about the Greek brands, but I'm sure you can research them online and find reviews. Haha, I wish that a glut of pomegranates was a problem I had! I love them, but they are $2 each here, on sale! Your creation sounds very tasty!
I think I saw in another comment that you are concerned about your bread staying moist and fresh...? On the chance that you and your loved ones don't gobble the whole loaf within a couple of days, hehe, try to find special plastic bread storage bags in your local store. They used to be hard to find around here, but now they are pretty common, even some major brands make them, and also a kind for fruits and veggies. These plastic bags (some are ziplock style, some have twist ties) moderate the humidity and gas levels inside, and your food will last practically forever. No kidding, weeks and weeks! They are a little more expensive than regular plastic storage bags, but since bread and whole fruits and veggies don't get them dirty, I reuse them until they do get dirty or wear out. I suppose if you were very frugal, you could wash them and keep using them.
If you can't find the bags, and your bread is going stale, make toast, bread pudding, bread crumbs, or tear it up, toss it in olive oil and fry or toast it (use like pasta, with sauce). You can also store the bread in the fridge or freezer to make it last longer. When there is absolutely no saving it, or when I try a recipe that's a dud, I throw it in the compost pile, so I don't feel so much like I'm wasting food. :)
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@GardenGerty (160952)
• United States
16 Nov 09
I love my bread maker, but I prefer to actually bake the bread in the oven, just because bread done in the little machine has a funky hole in the bottom from the paddle. It does do all the kneading and mixing and letting set and rising, etc. There are settings for just making the dough, and that is what I use. My favorite breads currently you bake as round loaves in casserole dishes. You can pinch it off as rolls and let it rise on a sheet and bake it. I make much better bread this way than I ever did kneading it by hand.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
16 Nov 09
Hi Gerty, I think I can live with a funky hole as I do find the whole oven business a nuisance as it's practiacally on the floor. I once had a house with a built in oven at eye level which was superb but now I just have a standard type cooker with a pull down oven door which isn't very handy for getting into. I think something at counter level would suit much better.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
17 Nov 09
Well they've convinced me here and I'm going to be getting one next time I'm in town, you know they do cakes too and you're always baking. Some of them even make jam but I'm planning on marmalade as the Greek has 50 orange trees. My son has just announced that he will eat orange jam if I make it, despite protesting that he hates marmalade. How we con them.
Still later with the coffee thanks, must make dinner soon.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
15 Nov 09
It won't make them into "rolls" you'll have to do that yourself. The breadmaker that I had included a setting to do everything except for the baking part I could take the dough out and make it into rolls or whatever and just bake it in my oven.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
15 Nov 09
I don't know I really didn't use it my husband did. I buy bread at the grocery store, it's much easier and cheaper
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@vardhanvictory (80)
• India
16 Nov 09
i think buying is more convenient for a guy like me. rather than making!!
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
16 Nov 09
Hi Savypat, so that's about 5 kilos, I could do with that now for the winter on the theory it might warm me up a bit.
Actually I decided to have a look at them online a little earlier to see if they have all these features like timers and things and they do, so I can look for a make and then come across ones that the internet has probably never heard of when I look in the Greek shops.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
15 Nov 09
I used to make bread when I was not working outside of the home. Oh the heavenly smell of it wafting in the kitchen. I too would love a bread maker but I did not know that it made cakes! This makes it more attractive to me
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@MAllen400 (829)
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16 Nov 09
You would not regret getting a bread maker if you choose the right one for you. I would definately suggest that you look on ciao.co.uk or dooyoo.co.uk where people write in and tell you about the one they have.
I would like to tell you that it is cheaper to make your own bread. It is of course ingredience wise but oh boy go careful as it is so nice that you eat more of it!
With ours we make bread, that is name the bread you can make it, rolls and even make jam in the breadmaker.
One word of warning though. You must following the instructions carefully and not like I did at one time, you know how we woman do it - yep that will do as a teaspoonful. No you must be precise with measuring out the ingredience or it will make a lot of difference between success and failure with your bread.
Also be careful with the little stirer in the middle as sometimes it does get left in the bread although having said that it is no great deal to pull it out!
As I said I would definately recommend it.
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
16 Nov 09
Hi MAllen, well they've had good recommendations here that's for sure but I don't know which brands are sitting in the Greek shops, it seemed to be a job lot of three makes in 3 different supermarkets,but I'll note a few brands down for features before I head up to town next time. You say it would make jam, which would be handy for homemade marmalade I think, as my man has 50 orange trees which will all be ready next month. Have you ever tried to make jam in it?
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@happy6162 (3001)
• United States
16 Nov 09
I do not have a breadmaker but I have check them out in the stores. I just have not brought one as I just buy my bread from the stores and if I want any rolls I either buy the ones that are already and all I have to do is bake them in the oven.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
16 Nov 09
Hi happy, I remember those bread rolls you could buy part cooked and then finish off in the oven, they don't sell things like that over here though. I can see lots of advantages listed here in having a breadmaker as I didn't previously know they baked cakes as well which would save all that messing round getting in the oven.
@sunny68 (1327)
• India
15 Nov 09
never tried one of these things. its not popular here (and not even available in the markets here). but it seems that bread makers only bake and nothing else (like a mini oven). so you will have to still do the kneading et al stuff. so if you already have an oven i see no reason to buy the bread maker. also i think that a fully automatic bread maker will more look like an assembly line and hence not suitable for your home.. (not sure about it...just my views)
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
15 Nov 09
Hi sunny, well they've only just started to arrive in the shops here so I'm sure they'll be with you soon too. Apparently though they do everything from kneading to baking the bread all in the same place so I am quite tempted, as like fresh bread but don't really have the patience to go through the long process often.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
17 Nov 09
I love love love parahta bread, but prefer it unstuffed. I always had that with Indian food. When I do cook Indian at home though I've only managed chapatis. One day I will attempt pouris.
The bread makers make loaves of bread of any description depending which ingredients you pop in. Reading the responses has convinced me to get one whilst the initial launch of them here is at a reasonable price, I'm sure the prices will go up in the New year.
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@sunny68 (1327)
• India
17 Nov 09
good to hear of your liking of parathas..they are indeed delicious but also add to your waistline... and you are right about the breadmaker, products when launched are cheaper so it makes sense to buy it now...i am sure you will make good use of it...good luck.
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@cloudwatcher (6861)
• Australia
15 Nov 09
I don't have a breadmaker, but many friends do, and I must say that the only time I am tempted to eat bread is when I visit them. The bread is far superior to the best quality bread available in the shops. Friends seem to have their machines working every day and are very happy with them.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
15 Nov 09
Hi cloudwatcher, that makes it tempting though I think Shirley pretty much sold me on them over the page. Home made bread is always nicer than bought but is time consuming and involves lots of mess with flour everywhere so a nice clean end result sounds very appealing.
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@antarcticpostcards (472)
• United States
15 Nov 09
My dad used to make bread only using the bread machine and it always ended up very dense and I like fluffy bread. We found it was great almost effortless for making the dough, but baking in the oven was still the best way to make the bread. For rolls you can use it to make the dough and then separate to bake in the oven.
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@antarcticpostcards (472)
• United States
15 Nov 09
Oh, you can definitely bake it in the machine. I just do not like how it ends up. It ends up being a very dense loaf, which is fine for some breads, but I prefer very light and fluffy bread.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
16 Nov 09
hi thea as you probably know i am in a retirement center where all my meals are made in the kitchen.but I am interested in this as I always wanted one and wanted to know just how much
they really did. the ones I had looked at when I sill di my own cooking were pretty pricy.
On a funny note my roommate came home a couple of weeks ago with a blender, a top of the line thing. Her sister came to see
her and said what on earth did you get that for, you cannot use it here. Kathy just pouted and said, because I want it. I too wondered how she was going to use it.
We do get taken to various stores like Walgreens and I have
often bought some ripe tomatoes and some fruit, but still the blender is huge and I am curious what she had planned on doing
with it. Perhaps she could make smoothies if she drank at once, as we do not have any refrigerator I am not sure how she would handle fresh stuff. Oh well I am not her baby sitter.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
16 Nov 09
Hi hatley, I think the first time I saw them coming into the shops a few weeks ago at about a third of what they used to cost I was a bit suspicious if they could be any good for the price, but they've been bringing them in everywhere for the same low prices but I don't know if that will last. They've definitely been raved about here by some so I do intend to get one.
So roomies going to be blending in the room is she, she'll probably turn it on when you ask for a bit of peace to get on with your mylotting, she'll drive you mad with that instead of talking. I presume a blender is just the same as a liquidiser. I've never thought of using it for anything other than soup so haven't seen mine since last winter when it goes into business. I'm planning a bit pot of chicken and leek soup later from yesterdays chicken carcass but it won't be the liquidised variety.
So if roomie has had it a few weeks already what on earth is she doing with it, admiring it perchance?
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
15 Nov 09
I'd have to say, our breadmaker saves us a fortune on bread. Don't know about cakes, we don't cook them, but it will prepare dough for buns but we would then have to actually cook them in the oven, an experiment we are soon going to try. The loaves it makes are not only cheaper than we could buy, they are far nicer to eat, unless, of course, we are prepared to spend money on expensive bakery bread, and that's not significantly nicer anyway. They also seem not to use a great deal of electricity.
Lash
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
17 Nov 09
It helps that our supermarkets here sell 10 kg. packs of baker's flour with yeast packets for about A$19, which makes for very cheap bread. Sounds like you might have difficulty in finding those in Greece. The bags also recycle nicely as shopping bags to save on the plastic rubbish.
Lash
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
16 Nov 09
Hi Grandpa lash, at last a mention of electricity. Ours is extremely expensive and I'm sure the oven uses way too much so that was one of the draws I must say, plus the oven is such a nuisance as so low down with those stupid pull down doors which means you can never get near to it. We don't actually have bread here which is shaped like a bread loaf, it is usually round or long and thin, and it would be good to see an actual loaf shape again. Definitely the good reports here are outweighing the bad.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
9 Dec 09
I have heard great things about bread makers and I plan to have one when I get a kitchen again! I like the idea of not having to heat up an oven which can heat up the entire kitchen and other areas as well if you have an open floor plan.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
14 Dec 09
I am going to work on it over the holiday break. Just having the sink in would make a huge difference to the washing up!
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
11 Dec 09
Hi Canellita, I know exactly what you mean, I couldn't even bare to turn the oven on for 4 months this summer as the heat was already so intense in the house. Plus it is much more economical electricity wise to use the machine.
I hope you get a kitchen again soon.
@GoGirl149 (152)
• Canada
15 Nov 09
It's a great little gadget, but I just don't like it!Mine is a big machine, and I have very little counter space. So after I use it each time I have to pack it away. It's a pain to hide it and unhide it each time.
I am also doing something wrong, because each time my loaves come out bad ... cooked on the outside, raw on the inside, rise too much, don't rise enough, tasting weird. I suspect I am measuring wrong (dang those measuring cups from the dollar store).
If you have a friend who has a bread machine, ask to borrow it for a week or two, just so you can see if you'll enjoy it.
Good luck!
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
15 Nov 09
Hi GoGirl, just when I was convinced they were good here you come with a dissenting view. I don't have measuring cups though but use a set of kitchen scales. Maybe you're just not the baking type, as I'm not the pastry type, that always ends up in the bin but I'm not very keen on it anyway. I don't think a lot of Greeks have these as yet, some up in the mountains still manage to bake for a week and cook all their loaves in an outdoor bread oven, fired with twigs and things. I think of the two I'd rather go with a machine.
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