Get Fired after Being Caught Chatting during Workday, is It Reasonable?
By getbrowser
@getbrowser (1708)
China
November 19, 2009 2:53am CST
When you turn on the computer, have you got the habit of logging on MSN and other kinds of IM services and tools? Have you ever thought that the record of your chat may become the evidence of dismiss?
According to a survey, there are many working people who are adopting MSN during workday. Does it mean that chat over the internet will distract you from your work or result from working idly? Should the employs be dismissed after being caught red-handed chatting over the internet?
It is also controversial over the internet whether the bosses have the right to check the employees’ chat record, or have the record monitored. The “for” versus “against” is 50-50. Will you choose to accept the unfairness, ignore it or will you resent violently and declare the objection against the company?
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38 responses
@hazeldesosa (67)
• Philippines
19 Nov 09
Chatting during office hour is strictly prohibited. That because it really hampers your load of things to do. Its addicting when you chat. Its like there's no end in chatting because its fun having a conversation over the internet. You can get to know different kinds of people, your interests, lovelife everything under the sun to talk about. So I think you can be given a suspension for a day or two but not dissmisal for i believe it doesn't fall under grave offense.
@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
20 Nov 09
When you take time away from the job or use their resources for your personal life, it is most definitely a grave offense. Check your Policies and Procedures manuals, which are supposed to be read at time of hire. Most will completely forbid personal use of company resources. It is considered theft.
@hazeldesosa (67)
• Philippines
21 Nov 09
Thanks for commenting. I'd better check and study our company's handbook. Some of our employees do that but havent heard of someone got dismissed or maybe it hasn't been reported to the management. Thanks anyway.
@corrycrystal (1775)
• Malaysia
19 Nov 09
In one of my past employment, we used MSN, Skype or Yahoo Messenger to get connected with the suppliers, agents or even the clients. However, there were times when we did use those communication tools for personal usage.
Actually, it depends so much on the employees. To me, I have my limitations so that I would not get distracted from my day-to-day job, but I have noticed one of my ex-workmates would always chat in between his work and as a result he missed some of the important information in his paperwork because lack of concentration. I think he was given a warning letter, but not because he was caught chatting. It was because of his negligence.
I don't think it's appropriate for the company to check on the chat record because they should respect the employees' privacy. It is better to ban the whole thing than to invade on others' personal activities.
@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
20 Nov 09
The chat record does not belong to the employee; it belongs to the company and the managers have every right to check on anything you put on their computers. There have been instances when they did not check and found out too late, the employees were passing company information to their competitors.
If you want respect from the boss, then respect the fact that the work place is just that - a work place - not a place for personal chitchat. Unfortunately, if they ban email completely, it interferes with valuable company business, so that is not an option. Hiring employees who understand the importance of keeping their personal lives outside the work place is.
@corrycrystal (1775)
• Malaysia
21 Nov 09
In my opinion, chatting on the net is similar with chatting on the phone. Some place might be very strict about this, but every company is different. My ex-boss did not restrict us from talking to our friends or using the office computers to check our personal things or even chatting during our break time or when the working hours were slow. We needed that to keep us sane and human, but one must know his or her responsibility when it was time to work.
Anyway, what I meant above was banning the 'messenger' and not the email. Email is always one of the most important communication tools, but it was not live like 'chatting' that could distract the employees from their work. There are many fast way for the employees to leak the company's information. One can easily picks up the phone and do this, but will every company records or traces the phone calls will be another issue and since cell phones are widely used, then, one can easily takes snapshots of important documents.
So, my point is if we are allowed to use our 'personal' account than I just don't feel it's right for them to go through our chat record unless it's stipulated in the employee's handbook or the chat ID belongs to the company as some companies might have pre-registered chat IDs for their employees to chat with the clients online, which later can be printed out. I always agree that we should not bring our personal 'problems' in the work place to maintain a healthy working environment.
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
29 Nov 09
When you're "playing" on the internet during working hours, and, thus, cheating your employer out of time that belongs to them, you shouldn't be surprised if you're fired or at least have pay deducted from your paycheck. However, I think you should be warned first and if you continue you have no one to blame but yourself if you're fired.
@Picquarian (724)
• United States
5 Jan 10
I think that it is fair to dismiss employees who chat during the workday (unless the "chat" is work related). You go there to work, not to socialize. Socializing should be done on your own time.
As for the company recording chat records, that's a little iffy. One does expect a right to privacy, but then again, the company owns the computer and it is on their property. So, I guess that I do think that it is reasonable that the company reserves the right to monitor what the employees are doing on their computers.
@radiance27 (687)
•
28 Nov 09
I never do that when I am working. For me, it is a big distraction. But I had this co-worker who was caught by our supervisor opening a website unrelated to work. She was then fired right away. For me, she really made a big mistake because doing things unrelated to work while still on duty is wrong and very unprofessional. But, the firing thing is sort of too much. Maybe, a first warning would be ok but right away firing a personnel for that one mistake is just too much.
@madteaparty (2748)
• Japan
19 Nov 09
Well, there's something called proxy that companies use to ban users from accessing many websites or even being able to log to chat programs. My company did, so me and my workmates would always think of a way to avoid it.
It's true that it can distract you from your work, but not having any distraction is bad for workers too, as the more bored or tired you get, the worse you work.
@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
20 Nov 09
It isn't the company's job to keep employees entertained. Their job is to make enough profit that they do not have to fire employees and can afford to give them increases at reasonable intervals.
If the job is that boring, move on to something more interesting and make room for someone who will find a paycheck reward enough.
@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
21 Nov 09
if you're constantly doing it instead of your work,yes,it's reasonable.
once in a while,no.
i know i wouldn't want to pay somebody goofing off all day.
they should at least get a warning though first.
@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
23 Nov 09
I think that if you work for a company you should not chat during the day online unless it is okay to do so or unless your on lunch. Otherwise, if you do chat I think the amount of chatting you do versus the amount of work you get done should be put into consideration. That is to say, have the boss question whether it's worth it or "right" to fire a person just because they chat, is it going to hurt the company in the long run? If the person is still doing a good amount of work then it shouldn't matter as long as it doesn't distract the person's work ethic.
@jdyrj777 (6530)
• United States
20 Nov 09
I little or at break time i would feel is ok. But i feel it would probably be best to just do your person chatting at home instead of the work place. If i were the employer i would not like to see someone using the time i pay them to work to be chatting away online or on the phone. If someone tries to connect to them they should just tell them they are working and will contact them after hours.
@TenmaMetsuki (452)
• Bahrain
20 Nov 09
I personally don't think that it's right for employees to go on chat rooms and messengers during their working hours. The computer, electricity and bandwidth that they're using up by doing these things at work do NOT belong to them, they belong to the organisation, these aren't free resources for people to take advantage of, they're resources provided so people can do and finish their jobs more easily. They are owned and FINANCED by the corp, since they're spending their own money on it I see they have all the right to monitor who uses their resources in ways that the organisation's rules and guidelines prohibit.
You're going to work to WORK, not play and chitchat with your friends!
@victorywp (3524)
• United States
23 Nov 09
every company has their own rules & regulations. if we don't abide by their rules, any action taken to us is surely reasonable (from the company's point of view).
but of course, from our point of view we might say that we only chat when we are free (not affecting work), or that we chat just to relax (in order to work more effectively).
@Ritchelle (3790)
• Philippines
22 Nov 09
i thnik it depends on the company. however, if this is clearly a part of the employee orientation then nobody has any right to contradict it. court-wise it still isn't a square win as employees are hired by the company to work for them and if they're chatting during working hours then that's not working .
@happy6162 (3001)
• United States
20 Nov 09
If the person is fired because they were caught chatting during workday it must be against the company policy. That person should know this so it is not unreasonable for them to be fired. Chatting with friends on the internet should be done at home not at work.
@fahmeedak (22)
• United Arab Emirates
21 Nov 09
Hi,
Your point is very important. I think any one who is caught chating during office time un-necessarily, must be fired. It is just like talking directly to some one in office to waste time. It is totally unfair.
@tigerdragon (4297)
• Philippines
20 Nov 09
sorry to burst your bubble but it's a yes. it takes up much of your working time which the company is paying you do work. It is called un-productivity, where you are not contributing anything to the company by chatting with someone or just simply browsing through the net while you are in your workplace, unless permitted or your tasks has been done.Any company has all the rights to fire an employee breaking office rules and protocols, that means you are not a team player and a liability to the company to make money for them. It's the employee who does these things who are unfair. Unless, you own the company then that is a different story altogether.
@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
20 Nov 09
We're discussing the situation in my college class right now. While I can understand the employee's viewpoint of being able to chat with others, I totally understand the boss's viewpoint.
First, if you are working in an environment that you need to have security about various things, such as products in the planning stages or other company secrets, the boss has a right to cover his fanny!
Also, many people will chat and lose track of time and end up using a lot of company time "chatting". It results in a lot of wasted money, and higher costs for the consumers.
Then, as what happened at my school, there is the possibility of viruses and spyware and worms. Someone at my school turned off the virus and spyware programs to play a game. The result was that someone hacked into the computer system and used it to spread spam world wide.
Many of the work places now have agreements that employees sign stating that the use of the computers to chat, shop or do other activities can result in termination. We have entered into another area of controversy between employers and employees. As a business owner, I would want the security of knowing that if I have an employee that is misusing the computer that I could terminate their employment. To me it would be like someone signing out a company car for a business trip and instead of using it for the business trip they took it for a family vacation. It isn't deductible income tax wise, and the same can be said for the misuse of the computer for chat...
@strawberrybaby39 (2086)
• United States
20 Nov 09
I don't think anyone should be allowed to chat at work unless your boss says its okay. And if the person chats online then they get caught they should be warned not to do it again. But if they keep on doing it then they are taking the chances of getting fired from there job.
@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
20 Nov 09
I don't know of any boss who hires an employee and says, "By the way, you can use my resources freely for your own personal gratification."
I personally think all games, etc., should be blocked from work sites. And if someone is caught playing them, or using messaging to chat on the company's time (even if they are having lunch at your desk), they should be dismissed immediately. It sets a bad precedent for all other employees.
The computers at your job are for work purposes. The personal time you spend on them takes profit away from the company and eventually, if it gets serious enough, it takes raises in pay away from all the employees.
Since the computer DOES belong to the company, the boss should have every right to check any information on it, because it is company property. If you want to message someone, wait for breaks or lunch, get away from your desk and use your own telephone or your own laptop or notebook. If the laptop or notebook is supplied by the company, you do not have the right to use it for personal items.
At what point did we begin thinking the job we interviewed for and prayed to get should be used for any reason other than company business? It is selfish, childish and completely irresponsible to do so. The 50% for it should either let someone else who have the company and their fellow employees best interests at heart have their jobs or forget about even trying for a job. They are not serious about commitment to the workplace.
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
20 Nov 09
If the company impose their own rule in that particular case. I believe employee should follow that rule.
Chatting while at work is against the policy of the company therefor I would say that firing an employee get caught on chatting while working is reasonable.
If the employee is caught once. Company should first warn that employee for not doing it again but if that violation is repeatedly done. I think that the time to fire out the employee without additional notice...
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
20 Nov 09
Well, I tend to think of it in simple terms. Whose computer is it? Whose internet service is it? Whose labor hour is it?
The facts are that its is their computer, with their internet, and they are paying you for that hour of labor, and likely paying for the building chairs desks, electricity and everything else that you are using.
Given that, it's a pretty fair bet they have the right to determine the rules at their work place. My father had this nifty saying "As long as you live under my roof, eating my food, riding in my car, waring my clothes, you will follow my rules." And he was right. Guess what... same difference at work.
Imagine if you hired a lawn care service to mow your lawn. You tell them exactly what you want them to do, and instead they mow down your flowers and run over a small tree you just planted. Would you pay them? But they did cut your lawn!
Well yeah but they didn't do it right. Well what if they show up at 6 PM, and talk on their phone for hours, and are still cutting your lawn at 11 PM at night. Then they demand $100 more because they spent so much time on it. But they did it right! Are you going to pay them? Of course not. Why would you pay an extra $100 because they dragged out a 1 hour lawn mowing by being distracted by a cell phone?
So if you make your kids obey your rules in your home, and you make people you hire obey your rules when you are paying them, why shouldn't someone who hires you, and pays you, be able to make the rules you follow?
Now is it reasonable? Depends on the job and company. If the company is doing really well, then perhaps not. If the company is doing poorly, of course it is. It also depends on the job. If you answer phones, and you don't have a caller at the time, there's nothing you can do, so chatting is fine. If you are filing payroll, which must be done within a time frame, then yes it's very reasonable to get rid of someone wasting time when important works needs done.