Do you follow it -Me, myself and my family.
By dpk262006
@dpk262006 (58678)
Delhi, India
November 23, 2009 10:59am CST
Hi friends! In today' life nuclear families are getting priorities. Joint family system is dying a slow death. Do you feel that for you your immediate family is most important and your in-laws and others should not stay with you, mingle with you and should not poke their nose into your affairs. And in-laws should not depend on you and look after themselves? Thanks in advance for your views.
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@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
24 Nov 09
Hi Deepak,
I’m going to speak out some bitter truths which are as I personally experienced them and think of them.
First of all Deepak, women these days are educated with a mind of their own…no longer child brides of yore who could be molded by the mother-in-law to fit into the family.
Secondly, women are earning and no longer dependent on their husbands income for the basic necessities of food, clothing, shelter and hence being able to assert their minds and views on everything
Thirdly, everybody enjoys freedom, even the mother-in-laws…so most MILs cant really accept the freedom of their DILs which they themselves lacked when they were young.
Fourth…the kitchen is the kingdom of the lady of the house…few MILs are loathe to pass on the reins of the kitchen to the DILs while the DILs feel that after a few years and they too should be allowed to have some control over the kitchen
Fifthly, each and every woman has a dream to have her own home…to decorate it as per her own ideas, so run it as she wants it and to cook her favourite meals…by the time the in-laws home becomes ‘own home’, its too late to run after a dream.
Fifth, it is sad by very true that India does not have any social security for the aged and in many cases, young career-oriented children are really at a loss as to whether they should stay back to look after their parents or pursue their career elsewhere
So you can see that I am not being judgmental here but just stating the facts as I feel them to be…I stayed with my in-laws for 10 years and I wish every girl has in-laws like them…they are the best thing that could happen to me. There was nothing like 'my personal' for me there...whatever was discussed or whatever, it was always a family affair and I was a willing participant. Even then Deepak, there were times when I felt to stifled, so frustrated, so much like an outsider…I saw my dreams slowly turning to dust, I learnt to curb my impulses, I learnt to control my hunger, I learnt to adjust my choices even for the monthly grocery LOL
BUT the biggest loss in this is for the kids…no doubt about it…nothing can replace the touch and of the grandparents towards their grandkids and that is a guilt I’ll carry forever in myheart.
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@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
25 Nov 09
Hi dear!
Congratulations to you sudipta on touching 7000 mark, I am so happy to see it.
I know that you only speak truth and people say that truth is bitter. I entirely agree with all your contentions i.e. young women today are well educated and are earning handsomely and there is sense of independence within their minds. And sometimes these factors play on one's mind and she starts disrespecting or start showing indifferent attitude towards her parents-in-law. Kitchen is another area which becomes a bone of contention and the mom-in-law and daughter-in-law both want that kitchen should be run as per their choice and commands. It is also true that young women wants to have their own independent house and want to decorate it in their own way and they don't prefer any interference in this regard.
Though you have appreciated your in-laws, yet you feel that you adjusted with them at the cost of your own independence and sacrificing your own desires.
Hope one day, when you yourself become a mom-in-law, you will polish off all the areas and would prove to be a good mom-in-law.
Thanks for such a meaningful, interesting and excellent response. I enjoyed reading it very much.
dpk
PS - I've enjoyed the views of each member, though the number of responses is limited, yet all have written their heart out.
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
26 Nov 09
Hi Deepak,
Only a good friend like you could assuage my guilt…yes, I feel guilt inside me when I think that I’ve left that house…though my BIL is married now and he and his wife is there, yet my in-laws took very good care of me and my son and I’ll never ever forget that.
You know Deepak (I’m in the mood for some introspection)…its not a question of losing one’s independence or of adjusting, sometimes it becomes a question of you as a person getting changed and transformed completely, which was becoming unacceptable to me. Each and every household has its own pros and cons and for today’s women (many of whom are single child like me) to accept and adjust and rediscover oneself completely is really really difficult. Small incidents Deepak, but then you start thinking ‘why couldn’t I do it my own way…was my mother wrong in teaching me to do it this way, why couldn’t my MIL just let it go’…its not that I’m being disrespectful or anything, but I’m gradually losing my identity, my individuality and this is what hurts a girl very much, if she has a mind of her own.
BUT…there are women who have no such thoughts…they just want that their husband and his income and his time and his attention should be for them only and this is what I completely disagree with. Even now, on many many days my husband comes home at 10 or 10:30 pm from visiting my in-laws and I’m more than eager to hear how they are…there’s no question of being angry as to why he spends so much time there! One phone call form them, and I’ll personally be there …anytime for anything and they know it too.
BTW another great discussion, as always from the great Deepak
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
23 Nov 09
Hi Deepak! One of the humorists in our regional language mentioned that soon the concept of 'joint' family may come to mean' husband ' and 'wife'[so high is the intolerance level these days].Well, coming to the topic, I should also mention an important thing-- nowadays [why even right from my own days] parentsinlaw want their independence. While my grandparents could stay with their son, in our generation my current elders /uncles /aunts prefer to maintain their independent establishments.For one, this enables their own children to identify better wth their parents' places instead of their siblings'' places.
Actually, I also see an increasing trend for youngsters wishing to keep elders with them [it ensures better safety for their children when both partners are working.] and the elders seeking their own comforts in their independent establishments . THis is more pronounced in affluent families where there is no financial dependence whatsoever.
But whatever, immediate family is most important and relationships do get strained if there is interference . THe husband and wife must sort out their problems themselves and this gets compounded if elders step in and take sides.When the resources are limited it calls for a higher level of magnanimity from all people.But ' me myself, ' do not look cohesive and good and with all this finacial independence there needs to be interdependence.
Shall continue later-----
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
24 Nov 09
Absolutely true Deepak! I too believe that 'me myself' is a wrong attitude and the family looks very graceful when there is overall cohesion and identification.Within this there must still be enough personal space granted to each.Why DEEPAK?Even within couples there is enough personal space and so it is a natural assumption that personal space is needed for each.THis can be given while staying together --only thing is thta it calls for a lot of wisdom and staying together in the best noninvasive manner possible. Elders must also realise their need for dependence and youngsters must be willing to accept this.I have seen an increased tendency on affluent elders' part to suffer from adjustment problems.Within my close circle there is one elderly eightthree year old lady who has an independent establishment, but with son living in the next street with his family.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
HI Kala!
I deto your views about granting personal space to each other, even 'space' is required to be given by both husband and wife to each other. Problems start arising when in-laws invade their daughter-in-laws space or its vice versa may also be true. Balanced attitude needs to be maintained when in-laws stays with a couple. Thanks for your invaluable contribution and elightening me with your own share of experiences.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
Hi Kala!
Yes, your lighter remark that one day joint family would mean only husband and wife, appear correct. I agree with you that everyone wants to be independent and if a husband and wife want their independence so does their parents. You say that your current generation of Uncles want to maintain their independent establishment, this may be good for both the parties, however, does it not alienate both parents and their sons/daughters-in-law. They might visit each other like guests and that too occasionally. You are correct that working couples want to be with their parents so that their children could be looked after. But who will look after the parents, I find that some daughters-in-law are concerned about themselves and their children and in their views their in-laws should look after their children, but they do not show any kind of respect to their in-laws and they do not look after their parent-in-law. Are parents-in-law suppose to look after themselves in their old age? Some of the daughters-in-law see their own selfish interest and they do not bother about old aged parents-in-law, for them it is -me, myself and my family only.
Thanks for sharing your excellent views.
@balasri (26537)
• India
24 Nov 09
Well one cannot generalize this issue. Gone are the days when there is a patriarch who brings the food for everyone in the family and takes care of the crowd of a family and relatives. People’s needs apart from food were very minimal those days. There were no individual needs and preferences. The necessities have grown thousand folds nowadays and so is the obsession and possessiveness of the people.Each and every one have to toil and earn for his individual needs. One person's manna has become another person's poison today. So the idea of living alone suited everyone to live independently the way they like. That doesn't mean the affection and care also must diminish. One has to find the right balance between living individually and sheltering the elders at the right moments.
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@balasri (26537)
• India
24 Nov 09
It needs understanding,adjusting and forgiving among all the people concerned to live amicably.It is no use finding fault with others.
Mahathma said 'Be the change you want to see in the world'
People who can live like that can definitely live together.
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@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
25 Nov 09
Hi Bala!
Problems only arise when we start finding faults with others, once the affected parties start staying together with each other's plus and minus traits, scenario may turn out to be different. Younger generation has become less patient and less tolerant.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
Hi Bala!
I fully endorse your views that a balance needs to be maintained, however, the problem start arising only when both the parties involved do not try to maintain the right balance, if any of the two (couples and parents-in-law)start feeling that they are superior then friction develops. I appreciate the fact that everyone wants to be independent, but shall they forget the respect and regards in their relations with in-laws?
Thanks for sharing your views, I enjoyed reading it.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
23 Nov 09
hi dpk yes I think the nuclear family should be left alone with no in-laws to bother them . A family is mom and dad and kids. No relatives living with them to upset the bonds and cause friction where it need not be. A grandparent on the other hand is not upsetting, at least my grandpa was most welcome in our family when I was growing up He had his own two room house so he could be a little independent but he ate with us and shared conversations and helped out. Nobody was ever upset with him as he'was gentle intelligent and loveable too. He never interfered with our family and was always smart in family ways.but no inlaws at all save my granddad. no mother in law problems.
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@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
23 Nov 09
Hatley,
I've always wondered why people are always saying "in laws are trouble" Save for a few times that my husband and I feel that mom doesn't always know what's best, we get along great with his mother. We have a few bumps here and there, but nothing too major, and while we won't live with them forever, we're happy they are allowing us to still stay here.
I'd rather be nuclear then joint, but right now living with the in laws is great.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
Hi Hatley!
You see on the surface your suggestion that a nuclear family should be left alone and in-laws should not interefer in their affairs. However, when parents marry their son, they expect that their son and their daughter-in-law should treat them with response and dignity. However, this is not happening. Now a days both wife and husband go for earning and they wish to confine themselves with each other and children. My question is who will look after their parents, specially in case if they are older and suffering from any illness, will the aged parents look after themselves? (My observations are with regard to Indian families).
Thanks for sharing your opinion and being the first one to respond.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
Hi SCG
It is great to know that you get along with your mom-in-law very well and you enjoy her company and vice versa. This shows your positive attitude. Keep it up!
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
23 Nov 09
Hi Deepak. Hm, I do think that when we marry, in-laws ARE a part of the family as a whole. But I do not think they ought to interfere in a single family unit, namely their child and their child's spouse. While a single unit, family that is, a couple is something unique. Same for when they have children. Their individual family unit should be respected as separate, even as they do continue to interact with extend family in many circumstances.
Karen
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@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
Hi Karen! You may be right upto an extent, however as far as families in India are concerned, normally in-laws remain part of the extended family after marriage of their son (till things do not get worse........LOl!). I agree with you that uncalled for interference should not be there and the couple should be left alone to take their own decision. However, what I find in some of the Indian families is that daughter-in-laws (specially those who are working) remain very happy, as long as they and their kids are being looked after by their parent-in-law, however, they do not bother to take care of their in-laws, as they are supposed to look after them in their old age. Thanks a lot for sharing your views.
Deepak
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@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
26 Nov 09
It was great on your part Karen that you looked after and cared for your parents-in-law and paid them due regards. They must have felt very obliged in their hearts of hearts to see your positive behavour towards them. Wish everyone could be nice like you.
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@neelimaravi (1793)
• India
23 Nov 09
hi deepak, in my way, i am still staying with my inlaws, we are very understandable, adjustable eachother. some times, misunderstanding will be there but, it won't go deep, especially this comes with childrens only... i don't like to mention this but still... i have open this here.. my mother in-law is very cooperative person. eventhough i easyly mingle with everyone so, i couldn't face any problem with them, i took it easyly.. we should need joly and happy life till the end of our life, then why to get worries through out the life yaar.. i don't like these kind of worries. anyway. thankyou for your topic, have a nice day.
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@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
Hi Neelimaa!
I am really impressed to read your response and I feel very happy to know that you and your in-laws (specially your mother-in-law) have good level of understanding and you not only look after each other but you pay due regards and respect to each other. I think if you send positive vibes to each other, you are bound to lead a happy life. You are right trivial issues do crop in, but those could be better ignored. Thanks a lot for joining us and sharing your own experiences.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
26 Nov 09
Would love to see more of you and your comments/responses to my other discussions, as well.
@neelimaravi (1793)
• India
25 Nov 09
hey, its my pleasure to share my opinions about this discussion, thankyou for your comment. good day.
@riyasam (16556)
• India
24 Nov 09
i differ from that opinion,my in-laws are very important to me as they are my hubby parents and also they are very wise due to experiences and they can guide and also they are invaluable to our children.ofcourse,joint families does have its disadvantages but i would still prefer a joint family.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
Hi riya!
It is so sweet of you that you think in a positive manner about your in-laws and pay them due respect. Of course their guidance will always come handy for you and your family. There presence is like an umberalla. Thanks for joining us in the discussion.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
23 Nov 09
Thankfully I will Never have to worry about in-laws. To me My love, If I ever find him, and I are first then his parents. If I meet Mr. Right and his parents don't like me, then he will have to split his time between the two familis.I would willingly just stay away so he can visit with his parents. If they neded a place to stay, I'd would move out or help him find a place for them to move in together. Chances are I wouldn' be living with him anyway. So it would be up to him to make time to see me.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
24 Nov 09
Just because he loves me Doesn't stop him from being their son! I fear many spouses take the " forsaking all others" clause too literally.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
25 Nov 09
Yes, I fully agree with you that his responsibilities as a son to his parents are at its own place and you won't prevent him from discharging his responsibilities.That is so sweet of you.
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@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
Hi Sarah!
It is nice to see you in my discussion again. You appear lucky as you need not worry about your in-laws presently and you appear to have decided that even if such a situation arises, you would like your partner to take care of them. Thanks for sharing yoru views.
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@Buchi_bulla (8298)
• India
25 Nov 09
My in-laws were with me as soon as I got married and came to Bangalore. Till they were with me, all their seven children (my husband is 8th child) and their families kept on coming to our house for short stay as many of them had railway passes, three per year. I never objected and it was fun for me and my children to have relatives coming and staying with us. My neighbours were telling that we did not have a month without guests. But staying together has some limitations. We should give others their space and privacy. Then joint family will be very helpful.
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@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
26 Nov 09
Hi dear!
It is nice on your part that you could not only accomodate your in-laws but you also adjustted with the other in-laws, who would keep visiting your home on regular basis. You appear to have lots of patience and understanding and I feel that whom you looked after would have showered you with their choicest of blessings in their hearts of hearts.
@grecychunny26 (9483)
• Philippines
24 Nov 09
When I already have a family of my own, I can say I want to live in our own. Not with my parents but with our own, we have our own house and we will grow the family there. I don't want our parents to mingle with our problems, of course parents will still be parents, they will not stop supporting their children until they are alive, but i wish they are there for advices and some support for taking care of their grand children. I really wanted my parents to be there but for guidance. I have to learned how to handle my family and our own problems, I want them to support me.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
26 Nov 09
I can understand your point about independence, however the question is about treatment which is given to in-laws by a daughter in law and whether she feels that nothing is more important than her own immediate family. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
23 Nov 09
Funnily enough there was a few months ago where I responded to many discussions on families who stay together. Now Your saying it isn't happening as much anymore. I honestly have to say that I think it depends on the country and the situation of the individual person. I think that Americans (myself) are more likely to want to be nuclear, and not stay with family but by themselves with their husband and children. My husband and I were just married and we live with his parents. We want our own place but also want to do it right by getting one we both really love and one we will never have to move from. So we're going to save up after Christmas and then buy our own place after we get a car and have enough for a down payment on a place.
I think that more people should stay with family for longer even if that isn't something they are looking forward to doing. In the long run you'll always find that no matter if your living with them or not, they'll annoy you... And most of the time they only mean what's best for you, so I guess what I am saying is make sure your financially secure and on the right track before venturing off and into the unknown world of bills etc.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
Hi SCG!
It is great to know about your positive thinking about your in-laws. It is good that you are staying with them and plan to buy a separate house, when it becomes feasible for you and you become financially viable. If you stay with parents-in-law, you always get the benefit of their experience and they always guide you for your well being. Support of elders is blessing, however, in many Indian families, daughter-in-law remain concerned only about their immediate families and do not bother much about their parent-in-law, they forget that one day they will also become parents-in-law and then they might feel the pinceh. Many thanks for yoru positive and interesting response.
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@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
25 Nov 09
Hi SCG!
I am truely impressed with your contention that you don't like the word 'in-laws' and you treat your mom-in-law as you would treat your own mother. You are correct the situation may differ from country to country. Actually, when space is allowed between certain relations, it produce some healthy results.
Thanks for sharing your wonderful thoughts on the issue.
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@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
24 Nov 09
Elders seem to be more experienced and knowledgeable, and are definitely a blessing. I am very happy to be living with my in laws and find that they do have good advice and do try to help us as best they can. It is sad that in India the ladies are not so accepting of their mother in law's, but I can't say that the same isn't here. Here in The USA I think a lot of women find that their mother in law's aren't their favorite people, but I think it's natural butting of heads that is the problem. To me, my own mother in law is much more like a mother then an "in law"... I don't even like that name "in law" it disgusts me because I feel it's too LEGAL... lol.
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
25 Nov 09
Yes definitely the in-laws should take care of themselves and leave the husband and wife to their own devices because each family should live without the interference of other family members. It certainly does not mean that there should be no care or closeness but I like the fact that what happens under my roof is mine and my husband’s business and we do not need to share unless we want to.
There should be financial independence too and although there is no harm in family members lending a hand when needed my husband and I do not like the idea of depending on anyone else and I am almost certain my parents feel the same way.
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@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
25 Nov 09
Hi Paula!
You are visualizing the scenario, as it exists in your own country, where people feel that they should lead independent life rather than staying with parent-in-law. No doubt about it that everyone wants independence, but they should simultaneously take cares of their in-laws and should not forget them. Thanks for your remarkable views.
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@ckyera (17331)
• Philippines
24 Nov 09
hello deepak!
for me, there's no problem if my inlaws will be living with us, it will be my pleasure to take care of my mom in law since she's already old and needs more care from her children. i treated her as my real mom. its fine that she lives with us but i will not like it if she poke her nose in our affairs...hehe but i can take some advices from her but just don't nag at me and suppress my freedom & rights in the house as the wife of her son...
its really okay with me coz i know that my husband will also treat my parents that way..
but its just sad to some, that this style of living all together usually becomes a root of misunderstandings... i guess what people should do is try to understand each other and respect the rights of each one in the family...
good day!
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
Hi ckyera!
I appreciate your positive attitude and thoughts about your in-laws and
it is said that it takes two hands to clap. It is nice to know that When you and your mom-in-law were staying together you took care of her.It is always useful to take elders advice and this helps a lot. I agree with you that good level of understanding is must between in-laws and daugther-in-law.
Thanks very much for such an interesting response and for sharing your personal experience.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
Hi ck!
It is great to know that your husband and you have already stayed with your respective in-laws and you feel comfortable in their company. Hope your relations will strengthen further. Best of Luck!
@ckyera (17331)
• Philippines
24 Nov 09
thanks as well! and actually my husband and i already experienced living with my parents...well at first its kinda difficult coz we need to bridge our parents and our partner, but im happy that everything turns to be nice.
right now, my husband and i are living by ourselves but maybe next year his mom will gonna living with us...and im excited for that!
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@vathsala30 (3732)
• India
23 Nov 09
Hi deepak
There are some advantages and some disadvantages in the nuclear family system. Because generation gap will be there. What the in laws think may not suit for the current generation and vice versa. The in laws think that they are the supreme head of the family and should take decision for each and every matters, including the naming of their grand children, where as the daughter in law thinks otherwise. She wants to name her child of her choice. Sometimes, deciding about the menu of the cooking too comes in between the two. So slowly the DL fed up with the attitude of her PL tries to avoid them and wants to live separately with her immediate family away from them
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@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
Hi vathsala! You appear right upto an extent. I agree that some of the difficulties arise due to generation gap. Also, no daughter-in-law or for that matter son also likes to listen to commands/orders of their parents-in-law/parents. Excess of everything is bad and too much interference may lead to sour realtions, I suppose. Some of the daugthers-in-law feel their parents-in-law as burden and do not consider them part of their extended families and do not pay the requisite respect to them. Thanks for sharing your wonderful views.
Deepak
@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
23 Nov 09
I come from a very close knit family and wish to continue this tradition for my future generations. Though we are all married and and having our own houses but we still make it an effort to return to the house we grew up every weekends. On festive season like christmas and new year we assemble in the house we call 'big house' to celebrate the occasion and spend the rest of our year end holidays as one big family. I think most Asian homes still adopt the tradition of caring for their next of kin and we are very much into the extended family concept. No matter what happen to today's nuclear families, we still maintain a strong hold to our culture of strong family ties and the modern world has not broken the chain of unity in my family.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
Hi Zandi!
It is great to note that you maintain tradition of joint and extended family and you value your old systems and traditions. It is also very joyful to meet each other on special occasions and to remain in touch with each other. However, the concept of nuclear families is getting stronger and people are losing old values.
Many Thanks for sharing your thoughts and enriching the post.
@gitfiddleplayer (10362)
• United States
24 Nov 09
I don't think that in laws should stay with you after you get married. Some cultures believe that but in America we move out of our parents house to become independent not to have our parents move in with us. Most parents are trying to get their kids out of the house.
@tuyakiki (3016)
• India
23 Nov 09
It depends...For everyone,the top priority is his or her immediate family. But that always doesn't mean a person should start ignoring aged and elderly members..The expectations is always very high when it comes in regard to the son in law or daughter in law.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
24 Nov 09
Hi kiki!
How do you feel about in-laws, would you like to stay with them and allow them to interfere or would you like to stay independent. Thanks for sharing your views.
@mithooooon (21)
• India
24 Nov 09
dear friend...
i think every person is independent and free. he/she want to lead his/her life in his/her own way. i think nuclear family is the best.