Should the words 'In God We Trust' be taken off the American dollar?
By scheng1
@scheng1 (24649)
Singapore
November 27, 2009 8:47am CST
Actually this title, "Should the words 'In God We Trust' be taken off the American dollar?" is a debate title in Helium.
It seems such a joke that "In God We Trust" is printed on the Dollar, yet many people holding the currency trust money more than God. The way of life of many people in the world hardly reflects the principle of "In God We Trust".
So do you think this four words should be taken off the Greenback, given that the society has changed?
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18 responses
@ahgong (10064)
• Singapore
3 Dec 09
ha ha ha ha ha ... I never really noticed the wordings on any currencies other than the numeral that represents its value.
In god we trust indeed! Question is, in this multi-racial, multi-religion society, whose god is that?
Then begs the questions, if in god we do not trust, then in who do we trust?
I am sure the debate is going to be a colorful one.
Got the link to the article? Can share with me?
@ahgong (10064)
• Singapore
4 Dec 09
ha ha ha ha ha... rambutan and durian trees indeed!
I also did not notice the tree in the $5 note till my wedding photographer mentioned it when we took our pictures there!
I am a helium member. Managed to earn some money when I posted my articles there when I initially joined. Then they changed the payment structure so much, it is near to impossible to earn there unless you have a good following of people reading your articles and rating them!
So, I sort of faded into the background when it comes to writing for helium.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
4 Dec 09
Actually I dont have any followers or whatever, and I dont even promote the articles in Helium.
I do rate articles, rate enough to get the $3 rating bonus every month.
Actually the best is to write articles with seo techniques, and the search engines will take care of the rest. Helium is already a PR6 site, so there is a constant flow of traffic. There is no need to do backlinking or all those sort of activities to generate traffic.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
3 Dec 09
haha, you really very direct. I also never notice anything like that, even the image of the tree in our $5 note and the actual tree in the Botanical Gardens, I also never notice until newspaper reported ah.
Actually been to the Botanical Gardens so many times, only notice got durian trees and rambutan trees, the rest cannot eat de, i dont bother oh.
You can take a look at Helium. You can even sign up and write articles there. The payment system is a bit weird, so unless you are very serious about writing, you wont earn.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
30 Nov 09
No matter what anyone's opinion is on this subject it is not likely something that will happen in our lifetime. Even though the U.S. government is supposedly founded on the idea of "separation of church and state," the majority of people are obssessed with what they think are Christian ideals even though they don't attempt to live lives modeled after Christ.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
1 Dec 09
Hi Canellita, when cashless living takes over the current system, there is no need to debate abotu this question anymore.
Since most people are not really using cash in daily transaction, it probably does not matter to them what words are printed in the currency. And it's a shame that people put their trust in money, and money put its trust in God. Such a funny world.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
5 Dec 09
Hi Canellita, as a country, your country does have a very high volume of cashless transactions.
I will be very surprised if those people in big cities, such as New York, LA and other big cities have many people who use cash. And those big cities account for quite a percentage of the population in your country. I think even in your place, there are many people who buy online.
Online purchases have not really picked up in Singapore, since shops are so nearby, mostly within walking distance, and most people still prefer face-to-face interaction here.
@Canellita (12029)
• United States
1 Dec 09
I hate to contradict you but there are plenty of people in this country who still use cash quite a lot. There are many businesses in my city that are cash only.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
28 Nov 09
I do not think it should be removed. We need a reminder of what made this a great country. We used to be a country of morals and principals and we've deserted our roots. This aversion to telling the truth (political correctness) is going to destroy us. We are not allowed to say anything as it is, we must couch it in terms that will not offend anyone. If people are offended by the mention of God that's too bad. Our constitution promises us freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. More than 80% of people here believe in God but a minority is dictating what we can say about it.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
29 Nov 09
Hi Dragon, I think a hundred years from now, there might not even be hard currency floating around.
With the credit cards and online purchases and electronic banking, it seems that less and less people are using cash.
If the government wants to remind people about the history and culture, using currency is not going to work for long.
The problem with many people is that religion is just an accessory. How many people are really reading the Bible, much less to practice it? Even if 80% of people believe in God, do they fear God enough to do the right thing? Action always speak louder.
Judging from the divorce rate, I doubt 80% of people have faith enough to make marriage works. I guess they dont even know that Jesus said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
30 Nov 09
Hi Dragon, the Bible did mention that there are people "worshipping with lips, but their hearts are far remove from God."
I feel that it is better if they do not profess to be a Christian, since they cannot live up to the expecttation. It's a very bad reflection on Christianity and God.
No matter how bad we feel about the Muslim fanatics, the only thing we can admire is their strong but misguided faith. If only every Christian or people who dare to call themselves Christian, can have half the faith, that is good.
At the moment, it seems strange that people trust money, and the words on money that show it trusts God. I suppose if people have strong faith, there is no need to write about "in God we trust", since their actions will reflect the faith.
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@lampar (7584)
• United States
4 Dec 09
I am not offended by those wording in my currency, so i don't see any necessity for the government to take them off the currency. On the other hand, if anyone feel threaten or insulted by the wording, i had a good idea, they can call or email me if they decide to dispose of their American dollar or dollars, i am more than welcome to accept their "garbage" or "trash", lol!!!
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@lampar (7584)
• United States
28 Dec 09
Hi, Pal one thing is sure here, nobody will be forced to accept USA currency or force to live inside this country without his or her free will, as far as i am concerned, if any person feel those wording is offensive or the mere mention of the word "God" is offensive, then he can always reject to be pay or make payment with the dollar, it is all you and everyone need to know for now.
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
27 Nov 09
Hi Scheng! This is pretty funny. In these economic troubles, I think people are forsaking the almighty dollar and putting their faith in God. It's a pretty good place to put those words to remind everyone God is watching over us. Maybe it's put there so we don't spend our money on bad things. LOL
I think it should stay on the dollar. We need as much help as we can get.
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@mommaj (23112)
• United States
28 Nov 09
LOL. You are probably right. I believe it was put on there because America was formed for freedom and christianity. Which religion was not supposed to matter. The point of the words on the dollar is a reminder of why we are even here. Anyone that has problems with "WORDS" has a problem they need to sort out for themselves.
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@Loki44 (6)
• United States
27 Nov 09
To be honest...I was thinking the same thing, I had a discussion with my teachers and said what they thought of it. They all said "I don't know" But I'm sure there's some people that aren't that happy about the choice of words.
@VANILLAREY (1470)
• India
5 Dec 09
scheng1 that was funny and well said. I am religious however I fail to see the connection of the words and the note of cash. The words 'In God we trust' makes more sense on a religious book rather than on cash.
@ja1220 (1)
• United States
9 Feb 10
i guess... Im religious and i have no problem with that on the greenbacks. if anything i want it there. and just cause more religions have came here doesnt say anything about taking it off. it says In God we Trust not in Jesus Christ or Allah everyone has a god doesnt mean they are all the same god
@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
28 Nov 09
No, it should not. There is no reason to change it. Our country was founded that way and it should stay.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
27 Nov 09
You can't generalize about an entire nation like that. Many people may put more value in money than they do in God but that does not mean that there are not many, many others who hold their faith above all else. This nation was founded on Christian principles that are still strong today so, no, those four words are important and should not be removed from our currency.
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@thezone (9394)
• Ireland
28 Nov 09
Hi scheng1,
I will keep this simple and to the point. I will not go down the God root but Do not go changing any part of your national currency as it is part of your identity. Since we had the Euro introduced here, I feel we have lost something of ourselves as a nation and it saddens me. I miss our old currency, there was nothing wrong with it to begin with.
It comes down to an old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it"
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
28 Nov 09
Hi thezone, the fact is that many countries have keep religions separeate from politics, so the currency does not have words to imply religious overtone.
Plus the fact is that many countries have migrants from other parts of the world with different beliefs.
I think if our currency, the Singapore Dollar, has the four words there, it will cause an uproar, especially from the Muslim community and the free thinker.
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@thezone (9394)
• Ireland
28 Nov 09
I see your point but I do not think the words "In God we Trust" has Religious overtones, it is simply what it is. If it goes you will miss it. I know from losing our national currency to the dreaded Euro. A one world currency is not the way forward although many would disagree.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
28 Nov 09
No, I do not. Most Americans would absolutely hate that, and most of us do trust in God. It's the greedy who seem to stand out, since they get all the press and all the attention.
The average hard-working American is far more humble than the wealthy, and believe me, whatever is said about America, those who love money more than God are definitely in the minority.
And as a sidenote, helium has gone so far downhill I cannot believe it, but not because of that debate.
karen
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@greenfeathers (1206)
• United States
28 Nov 09
I'm more concerned with why someone would want to remove something that depicts, in those four words, a basic truth upon which this country was built and what it is about God that so offends someone that they'd want it removed..What is the nature of these people? Who do THEY prefer to trust? Those are pertinent questions!..Why deface our forefathers by erasing public acknowledgement of God?
Since money is the one thing that we ALL handle it seems the most relevent place to put a constant reminder of God. Afterall, he is there even for the nonbeliever!
Enjoy!
@samawati (140)
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27 Nov 09
Mhhh , i belive those four words simply mean that Americans have faith in someone , their God ... and maybe but I a not sure but the reason why they are on money is because someone thought it would be a brilliant idea to give everyone a chance to have a piece of scripture in their hands at least for every time they use money.
Think about it? ..it's like putting a four word bible in the hands of everyone who uses their money ... and people who care to read them .. may get the message.
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@madteaparty (2748)
• Japan
28 Nov 09
Although I don't live in the US, I think that as a way of respect to people who don't believe in the catholic god it should be taken away. There are people who don't believe in religions or who believe in different religions, and they don't have to feel confortable with "in god we trust" just because the majority of the population in a country believes in that god.
Everyone should be taken in consideration.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
28 Nov 09
haha Snafushe, you bring out a very interesting point.
I can't see what money has to do with God. And when people use money, I doubt they look at the words, and remind themselves to trust God.
I guess those words were meaningful at the tiem when people still trusted God. Now it's really questionable.
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@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
28 Nov 09
scheng1,
I believe that the words here are not merely words but is an official motto of the United States.
In the first place, I believe that every country including Singapore have a their ways of reminding their generations of citizens the heritage of their motherland. Like the Singapore dollar, as the earlier government does not have the idea of an official motto on the currency but it does have a Coat of Arms in 4 different languages to remind the world and her citizens that Singapore is a harmonious multi-racial country.
Just for your information, the words "In God We Trust" is the final stanza of The Star-Spangled Banner which is the national anthem of America. Also, the motto In God We Trust was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the American Civil War. The society may have changed but without the existence and hard labors of our forefathers, will there be a society today?
I just do not think that anyone would want to be seen frivolous with one's own heritage and roots, as Abraham Lincoln once said: “Our defense is in the preservation of the spirit which prizes liberty as a heritage of all men, in all lands, everywhere. Destroy this spirit and you have planted the seeds of despotism around your own doors.”
Have a nice day.
@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
28 Nov 09
scheng1,
Not being condescending, but with more than half of the population being Christian I think those words does have a meaning there.
I just do not think we cannot ignore and discredit the fact of existence.
Ref: http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/population/religion.html
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
28 Nov 09
Hi Sky, obviously not forgetting the root and the culture is good.
However, the lives of the people must reflect the belief. Many people obviously are not living a way of life to show that they trust God.
Anyway, at the rate that credit cards and online purchases are replacing the use of legal tender in daily transactions, there will come a time when cash is a rare commodity.
Hopefully by that time, people can trust God from the bottom of their hearts.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
30 Nov 09
Hi Sky, the problem is that half the population who claim to be Christian do not know the Bible at all.
It's like saying that someone is a doctor without attending the medical school.
Even I, as a non-Christian, had read the Bible from cover to cover twice, I do not understand how those who dared to claim they are Christians are lying in their resumes, and treating marriage lightly.
Believe there is a God is not the same as "trust" in God. If they practice "in God we trust", their conducts will reflect it, all the statistics will reflect it. The DUI offense will decline, divorce rate will decline, and people will not lie on their resumes.
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@GADHISUNU (2162)
• India
27 Nov 09
In fact as a kid I was so impressed by these four words by the founding fathers who believed in Him, that i remarked to my Dad the we(Indians) say we are religious, by that I mean concerned more about God than any other country but we haven't got it like the Americans do. What he answered was what do you think is on our coins and notes? I replied, "Satyameva Jayate"{lit.Truth alone Triumphs" What is The Truth? That which is everlasting= GOD!
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
28 Nov 09
Hi Gadhisunu, fortunately there is no religious words in our currency (Singapore dollar).
Since we are a multi-racial and enjoy religious freedom, it will be very offensive to put words like that in the currency. The Buddhists basically have no belief in a god, the Muslims do not use God, they pray to Allah.
Anyway it's useless to have the faith in writing, yet the lifestyle of people do not reflect the trust in God.
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