Should religious people be aplogetic for being religious?
By sunlight2009
@sunlight2009 (196)
United States
December 1, 2009 5:35am CST
Hi people.
I have seen a huge shift in attitudes towards religion and towards those who are religious in the past few years. It seems that nowadays, one needs to be apologetic for their religious beliefs, because they may seem to be intolerant, or not all inclusive of everyone.
In the US, we saw the gay rights activists gain huge ground over a relatively short period of time, gaining equality in a lot of things. I suppose those who fought for gay rights would applaud their ability to be able to voice their opinions. However, the proposition 8 debate showed that while gay rights activists are happy to be able to voice their own opinions, they dont like others doing so - and berate those who do ... especially any religious organisation. The LDS (mormons) got special treatment from those same activists who fought for their right to speak.
While I used the proposition 8 example, this discussion is not primarily about homosexuality. It is about a religion's right to speak out about matters of morality and ethics.
Do you agree that religious should be able to speak about concerns regarding matters of morality, or do you believe that religious have no place in putting forward a viewpoint on morality no matter what?
Happy myLotting!
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10 responses
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
3 Dec 09
Christians have the right to speak on matters of moral issues, but they also have to show by their lives that they adhere to those matters. I do not mean the life they had before they were Christians, but what they are living now. Why is all right, for instance, for homosexuals and those who live amoral ways of living to be able to say what they want is all right, and yet Christians have to be silent?
I also say that it is usually best if the speaker is a parson, preacher, priest or someone whose business is in the realm of theology because those atheists, homosexuals, and homosexual and amoral likers are often very intelligent and it takes a strong mind to overcome them.
However even an ordinary Christian can say that it is wrong to gamble because that money could have paid someone's rent, wrong to shoplift because that means we all have to pay higher prices. Jusr be sure to be nice about it and tactful.
I have no shame for being a Christian.
@matsulori (269)
• United States
3 Dec 09
Everyone has the right to speak on matters of moral issues, but they only have the right to control their OWN actions.
Maybe you have no shame for being a christian, but you should be ashamed of your judgmental tendencies. Who are you to judge whether someone is actually amoral? You're going against the bible: judge not lest ye be judged.
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@MJay101 (710)
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3 Dec 09
"... those atheists, homosexuals, and homosexual and amoral likers are often very intelligent and it takes a strong mind to overcome them."
Jesus tap-dancing Christ.
You make it sound like we're the devil incarnate! Oh, wait...
(I thought it was wrong to gamble because the money would be better spent on the God channel, or in paying for the Pope's gold-and-sh*te encrusted keks. Am I wrong? )
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
3 Dec 09
I will address both of you. Do you think it is all right to cheat on your spouse and have s*xual relationships with someone you are not married to? Do you think it is all right for someone to go into a store and pick something up and walk out without paying for it? Do you think it is all right for someone to s*xually abuse children? I hope not. That is all ammoral as is as having as many partners as possible and not caring if you or one of them is infected with a disease and then saying 'Oh it is not my fault." I can understand a teenager who does And some of the homosexuals use threats to get their own way. For instance, these homosexuals (not the lesbians so much as women do not make as much money as men) will threaten politicians with withdrawing their support is they make a law that they do not agree with.
Now if one of you is a homosexual and does not have s*x with someone of his own gender and is fighting his desires, good for you. But judgment means righteous judgment. I
But apparently you just Christians to keep their mouth shut and not say a word when you do what you want. If you live a decent life, you have no sense to worry, but what if you do not?
What if you decide well I have a right to that stuff and a policeman arrests you? and what if by some strange coincidence, you see someone who was a Christian and did not warn you, I just hope you do not go and tell that person "Why did you not warn me?"
@keep_onwatch (2680)
• India
3 Dec 09
Sure, why not? Just like everyone else has a right to voice their opinions so do the religious. I mean believing in what we think is right is never gonna hurt others. But what does is the hatred or the irrelevant bashing of what others think. We sure can voice our opinions and believe what we say, but we should definitely not try to condemn others for what they think.
@keep_onwatch (2680)
• India
4 Dec 09
May be you misunderstood my post. I said what we believe to be in harmony with ourselves and not to cause any danger or harm to any1 else. Thankfully , my faith teaches me to be a better human. My faith teaches me that adultery is wrong, that murder is wrong no matter what, to love another human being even if its your enemy. All I'm trying to say is, its making me a better human, so why should I not be proud of it. As I say this, I also say that independent thought is a Human's right, so there is violence, hatred and killing in one's faith, its up to that person to decide what exactly is humanity. Being in peace with others while having a faith making you a better human- I don't see anything wrong in it.
@MJay101 (710)
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3 Dec 09
Whilst I appreciate the sentiment expressed in your post, I have to call you out on one thing:
"... believing in what we think is right is never gonna hurt others."
Really?
What if you're a sh*t-eating Nazi f*ck who believes that the Jewish race is inferior and thus deserving of extermination? What if you're an obnoxious and arrogant X-tian who believes that it's a sin to be gay? What if you're a sick and twisted c*nt of a Muslim who takes the Big Mo Fo's word to kill all non-believers literally?
Is it okay to believe if you don't subsequently act on your beliefs? Doesn't that condemn you as surely as if you'd not even bothered to pretend?
@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
22 Dec 09
I don't think they should apologize. The only reason I person should apologize for in terms of faith is if the person's faith tradition is bigoted, misguided, or hateful. If you pious, quiet, and lead others to God by example and not harassment, you should live your life apology free.
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
4 Dec 09
Since freedom of speech is guaranteed in our Constitution, religious people have as much right to speak as anyone else and the subject matter doesn't make any difference. It's too dangerous for any particular group to try to silence another group. It could backfire on them. As far as religious people apologize for being religious, if they don't think they're wrong, why should they apologize?
@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
3 Dec 09
The world is certainly changing.
At one time if one did not have a religion he was considered odd, now one is odd if he professes a religion. The Bible foretold a time when religious people would have to hide their identity because of a hatred of religion.
We see this time is now here. The world is becoming more and more anti-religion and anti-god.
It certainly is a different world we live in today.
@MagicalBubbles (5103)
• Canada
5 Feb 10
Hello Sunlight,
To me religion is private. I live in Canada and I think we're not that much about talking about religion here. Ive noticed that since a lot of immigrants moved here, yes THEY talk a lot about their religion and whats right or wrong. That bothers me. Im Catholic (dont practice tho)and I believe my religion tells me to not judge other people. So I dont.
If you believe in something, fine, do it but dont have ME do it. I wont ask you to do what my religion tells me to do and I dont have to apologize to anyone.
Being gay has nothing to do with religion. Not for me anyways. I think that being a human being goes before being religious. Let me explain. Most religion will tell you to be good and not kill anyone and do onto others blah blah, so I try to be a good person, I dont kill anyone, I dont take whats not mine and I dont judge others, so If the person next to me is gay, well thats not My problem is it? If the person next to me wants to have an abortion, thats not My problem is it? If more people were to live as human beings and mind their own business, it would be a better world!!
@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
2 Dec 09
I got enough to apologize for with the things I have done myself so why should I apologize because I believe in God? Lots of people say they are christian, most of the people in jail say they are Christian. If I say I am the president does that mean I am? Obviously not.
We live in a democratic society and the majority still rules. I am not Mormon and I don't agree with a lot of their beliefs but the facts is they still have the right to speak about what they feel is right and wrong as much as everyone else. That's what freedom is. I do know of a few forms of government where the minority is in charge and you don't have a right to voice your opinion (religious or otherwise), I think I would rather have what we do now and I am sure gay rights activist would also compared to those forms of governments.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
2 Dec 09
After reading the responses you've received thus far, I suppose those of us who are religious, particularly Christians, should be thankful the secular world allows us to even exist much less speak. Contrary to what some have said, we don't try to, "impose," our "code of 'ethics' on ordinary people." What we do is warn them of the danger of a decadent life style. Christians have no reason to apologize for telling the truth.
@greenfeathers (1206)
• United States
3 Dec 09
I am Christian and I will not apologize for it! If I offend folks with this dedication, so what!
I've gotten quite tired of every little special interest group, too many of them perversions of any rational normality, jumping up on their soap boxes, and shaking their signs and fists in my face..demanding that I need tolerate them that have no tolerance for me..That I need support their rights and freedoms to disqualify my rights and freedoms..And that I should accept that their narrow-minded view of things is all that matters..
Notice, these are all things that religious/christian folks are condemned for doing to them. If it is such a travesty when they are subject to it, why is it not such when they inflict it?
When these people are in the public eye they have no qualms with flaunting their lifestyles, their assorted deities and their occult beliefs/practices and have little to no concern for who they offend or why..So when I speak, in public, that I am Christian and I will not apologize for it because I am not ashamed of He who saved me you can bet that I don't care how much it galls your sense of SELFethics.
As I've been fond of saying over the years..I already have a God. You ain't He, so don't expect to get what He deserves..
@matsulori (269)
• United States
3 Dec 09
I've found that telling people I'm Wiccan, they usually ask whether I'm a witch. Well, I'm not going to lie. I'm proud of worshipping the Goddess in all her forms. But my "religion" is heavily based in respect for Mother Earth. I try to answer people's questions, the serious and the sarcastic. There's nothing wrong with voicing an opinion. But when you get everyone together to fight legislation that has NOTHING to do with you, that's going too far. It is unconstitutional to try to control others with only your opinion of "morals and ethics."