Climat Change - Looks like I've been proved right.

Thanks for noticing the typo, I meant to say that plants produce oxygen. However CO2 is much heavier than air (molecular weight is 44, Oxygen 32 and Nitrogen 28). The only CO2 which has a major greenhouse effect (and only for a short time) is that produced by volcanoes (natural) and that produced by aeroplanes (man made). The major greenhouse gas is actually water vapour which is lighter than air (molecular weight 18) - this is what we really need to remove from the atmosphere, one way to do this is to plant millions of trees throughout the world, especially replant tropical rain forests. (Trees are good for soaking up and storing water).

Yep , I just got my trees from the Arbor day foundation planted. It was a little difficult to find a good spot for them since I already live IN the woods.

Thanks for your input. I don't know the legal aspects of cars in your country, but in U.K. most cars have catalytic converters and now produce negligible amounts of Carbon Monoxide. Carbon Monoxide is lighter than air and is a Greenhouse gas, Most carbon Monoxide these days is mainly by volcanic production (natural), followed by wood and other fossil fuel burning. While man made CO2 is increasing, it is still only a small proportion of the total. Look at the Geocraft Fossi fuel (I can supply the exact URL if required) Table 4 and 5 on the internet Water Vapour 95% of Greenhouse effect, (94.999% Natural), 0.01% Man made. CO2 3.618% Greenhouse effect, (3.502% Natural), 0.117% Man Made Methane 0.36% Greenhouse effect (0.294% natural), 0.066% Man made. In other words, in the U.K.alone, we are spending Billions of pounds to reduce the greenhouse effect of CO2 from 0.117% to 0.0809%

I've just had another look at the U.S. department of energy site, here is a quote about water vapour 'Question: Does EIA report water vapor emissions data? No. Water vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas, but it is the consensus of the international community that human activity has a very small effect on its concentration in the atmosphere, and therefore EIA does not estimate emissions of water vapor.' Amazing isn't it, they state that Water vapour is the 'most abundant greenhouse gas', so we will just ignore it because it is natural.

I believe that the way the earth works is vastly more intricate and complicated than many people think. The sun provides all the heat and light for the earth (except for some that comes from volcanoes). Until last week the earth has been in a prolonged sunspot minimum, now a large one has appeared, as sunspots are reputed to inhibit cloud formation, then there is the possibility of colder, clear skies in the northern hemisphere.

The only wrong point is that I said that plants produce water instead of oxygen.

No I didn't delete your comments, even though I found it very rude, I marked it positive because you are entitled to your views (misguided though they were).I also stated that I had a typo and meant to say that plants produce oxygen instead of water (actually plant respiration also produces some water). I replied to it and agreed with some of your comments (but not all). Technically you are correct with the wavelengths and ability of CO2 do be a greenhouse gas, but because it is very much heavier than air,(check the molecular weights of CO2, O2 & N2 if you don't believe me), the only CO2 which can really classified as Greenhouse is that produced by volcanoes and be aircraft. Water vapour is the major greenhouse gas (over 90%, followed by Methane then CO2), The vast majority of Atmospheric CO2 is still natural at the moment. My facts are in fact correct, and I am not misinforming anyone. Indeed if you include water vapour as a greenhouse gas, man made CO2 accounts for much less than 1% of greenhouse gases. There are a number of sites on the internet which gives the correct data, but PLEASE, remember that most government sites ignore water vapour because it is almost completely natural (and they can't tax it). The other thing is not to confuse CO2 as a greenhouse gas with CO2 as a pollutant which is is. What is required is to plant millions more trees, not just in U.K. and U.S. but also make sure that tropical rain forests are protected. Trees do remove both CO2 and water vapour from the air.

I see you haven't bothered to reply, is it because you have checked and found that I am correct? or is it because you don't really care about the environment and global warming? Either way, this is a discussion site, so you should be willing to properly discuss the pro's and con's of the argument without resorting to childish retorts. Incidentally while some of your original comments may be mildly rude in your country, in mine they were extremely insulting. Please remember that there are participants from almost every country in the world, with vastly different cultures.

There are lots of harmful things in nature, CO2 may be a pollutant, but man made CO2 is very low on the scale of greenhouse gases.

Ha ha, sorry, double negative, I mean, perhaps the cause of what we are seeing today, actually occured 1,000 or ten million years ago.