I hate parents who teach their kids to be disrespectful to the teachers.

By Leo
@d_e_v81 (360)
Singapore
December 5, 2009 12:10pm CST
I have this friend of mine who teaches. He told his student to go get his hair cut as his hair was very long. After repeated reminders, the kid finally came back and told him "My mother wants to check with the Ministry of Education why we must cut hair so many times" I mean, come on...it is the school rules and the teacher was just trying to enforce it in class. It is very unfair of the parent to teach the kid to threaten the teacher of his career by threatening to complain to the ministry. Such parents really irk me and I wish they will just home school their spoilt brats!
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@kaylachan (71762)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
5 Dec 09
The problem is parents take a hands-off approach in rasing their children. The problem isn't so much that they are teaching their children to be disrespectful, more that it's the parents not demanding or teaching respect to their children at a young age. Then the kid says "my mom said this, or my mom said that." truth is whose to say the kid didn't make it up because they weren't taught respect?
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@d_e_v81 (360)
• Singapore
5 Dec 09
Yea true, but this particular parent seems to not like my friend. She keeps arguing with the teacher on almost every single thing he does from the amount of homework he gives everyday to why some answers in the science scripts are not acceptable...i wanna talk to your principal...bla bla....The thing is he is a new teacher so I think she is bullying him and the kid picks up on the vibe and follows suit. what do you think?
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Dec 09
Hmmm.. well how MUCH homework is the teacher giving? What grade is this child in? I know from research that every teacher is different. Some schools have different policies for homework, some DISTRICTS have certain policies. Sometimes it is just up to individual teachers. However, a parent can always request a meeting because they disagree with the amount. A rule of thumb that I have seen repeatedly is this - 10 min per grade level, and then for older kids additionally, per subject. I only agree with it loosely, ie for kindergarten and maybe first grade, say 10-20 minutes TOTAL per night, or up to 40 min total per week spent on it. In elementary school, I think perhaps up to an hour if it's for projects - and we're talking 5th or 6th graders, NOT 3rd graders. I believe if a parent and child is struggling with the amount of work sent home, and it's stuff the child needs constant HELP with, meaning it is not just practice but the parent has to actually teach and do the stuff WITH the child, that is not appropriate homework or practice because the child is not proficient enough at it to do it independently in 10 minutes, which is what homework/extra practice at home is supposed to be. Also, believe it or not, there are some parents who gripe because they believe the school doesn't send home ENOUGH work. Your child is at school at least 4 hours for half day and 6 hours for a full day. Don't you think that's enough time spent on education standards? Heck, they don't do much art and music any more, not to mention ANY PE other than recess and some movement activities in class. Outside school time is for parents to do activities with their kids or involve them in sports or clubs or whatever things are lacking at school because suddenly everything at school is only focused on academics because hmmm... we want our little 8 year olds to be knowing 3 languages and how to do calculus. PLEASE. I want to beat someone's head in when I start thinking about the people who slobber like rabid dogs over getting their kids signed up for some special preschool that gives homework so their kid will get into Yale when he's 17. Idiots.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Dec 09
One more thing - has this parent ever had a conference with the teacher himself or herself? The first step is usually to conference with the teacher. If THAT gets a parent nowhere, of course they will go to the principal. That's just the natural chain of command. It's important to get answers to your questions and get them in a reasonable amount of time. Nothing irks me as much as a school trying to shove concerns under the rug or not taking a parent seriously.
@nicholejade (2430)
• Canada
6 Dec 09
What kind of school makes the students cut their hair on a regular basis? Is this some military school or what? If this is not a policy at the school then the student can have his or her hair the way they want. I guess if this is the case then the teacher was just being an @$$. When I was in school my parents not to mention my grade 1 teacher told me to stand up for myself and by gosh I did. When I got to highschool it got alot worse. I had one teacher constently badger me and I went at it with her. I stood up for what I beleive in. I actually seen her last year and she said that I was right in what I beleived in. I was always taught you give me respect I will give you respect. Doesn't matter about the age as I know some adults that are way older than me do not give me respect and I will not show them the light of day.
• Canada
6 Dec 09
Wow mommyboo you couldn't of said it any better. I just went short form but I totally agree with everything that you say. What really does your hair style, clothing etc etc have to do with your education. Teachers are only teaching our kids the fundamentals here and not everything. However the funny thing is these teachers think they know everything when really how much really do they know themselves. They have the answer key right in front of them. And its even funnier with most people they don't even use the skills that these teachers are so heavy on enlisting and then they talk down to you with the ever famous *you are never going to amount to anything in life if you don't learn this.* Just goes to show how many students actually go and amount to something in their lives. Heck my fiance never graduated from school and he's a welder. Pipeliner welder and making good coin. Alot more than what a teacher makes. I know how teachers are. I have 3 relatives that are teachers and one thinks she knows everything. Kinda have to tell her she don't and what not but I'm sure you get my drift. I suggest this mom pull her child from this school as it's more problems than it is worth here. Glad I'm not going there.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Dec 09
Well, I would not send my child to a school with such a ridiculous rule. I would daresay the parents should pull their students out if they don't agree with it, because that would be best for all involved. Honestly, the schools receive funding for each student who is enrolled - either through government packages or from tuition. If you lose enough students due to a rule that really has no backing, then the only entity suffering in the end is the school. Also, most schools have a parent-teacher association or group. I am a parent and I am involved with my daughter's school. Trust me, I am very vocal about things, if I agree or disagree. If something is so bad that I can't get past it, then I lobby for CHANGE so I don't have to put up with people being well.... an @$$. Schools need to realize - YES we allow you to have our children to help educate them, but as parents WE EDUCATE them too! In my most humble opinion, I believe that the education schools give ought to be purely based on the state or regional standards that the school board has determined children to achieve each year. This has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with hair length, style, clothing, etc. That to me seems like a control issue and has nothing to do with education or learning in the slightest. Nicholejade, I agree with you. I teach my kids to stand up for themselves too. I don't want them to be nasty about it, but I do want them to be firm and refuse to back down. If step one doesn't work, then you go higher. If that doesn't work, you go higher again. There are appropriate ways to make yourself heard and get people to understand that they will NOT step on you, even if they try. In the end, bullies only lose, and rules without merit were made to be bent or done away with. I do not accept rules for rules sake. If there is no solid reasonable REASON, I'm not buying it. Some people believe that's wrong, but I'm not a sheeple and I never will be. If you just follow every rule because it's a rule, someday you're bound to get screwed and NEVER SEE IT COMING. Question everything.
@d_e_v81 (360)
• Singapore
6 Dec 09
It is the school rules and the parents are aware of it. Yes you are right, give respect and take respect. Look at it in the point of the teacher. You are the teacher. You know you are responsible in instilling discipline in your school. You know your school rule states clearly that boys should not have long hair. It should be cut and kept neat. you see one of your students with long hair. you remind him. He comes back to school the next day with long hair again. you remind him again. Yet the next week his hair is getting longer stilll. Another student in your class thinks he can get away with it and try to test water by not cutting his hair as well. Dont you think the teacher is just doing his job. Dont you SEE that the teacher is just protecting you from being embarassed by being stoppped by the discipline mistress in the hall way and reminding the student to cut his hair? How is that not giving respect to you. how is that making the teacher...in your very sophisticated use of language...an a$$?
@lynnemg (4529)
• United States
6 Dec 09
I am a firm believer that kids need to respect adults. I also understand that this was, obvioulsy a religious school, which has more stringent rules than public schools. I also understand that although hair can be cut at home, not all people can cut hair well, and not all people can afford to take their child for a haircut every time a teacher thinks they should. What in the world does the length of a student's hair have to do with their ability to learn and participate in class? I think that a boy can look quite presentable and respectable, even with longer hair, as long as they take care of it. I don't think that this kid was being disrespectful really. I think that his mother is probably having a hard time and cannot understand why she should have to cut his hair so often. It wasn't necessarily a threat to the teacher's job, just an inquiry as to why this is the rule. As a mother myself, I can tell you that even at my kids' public schools, there are things that really do not make sense for their educatiion. I am not beyond questioning the administration if I disagree or have a question myself. Teachers have to do their best to enforce the rules, yes, but to get the answers as to why the rules are what they are, as parents, we have to go to the administration.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Dec 09
Sorry but again d_e_v I disagree with you. Children definitely do not always translate well what a parent intends for them to get across but I still don't see that as a threat. I see that as the child telling the teacher what his parent plans or has done about the situation, and I'm sure the child is sick of being harrassed about his hair. I attended a private religious school when I was a kid. Worst thing ever, in my opinion. I prefer to be at a learning institution where people are allowed to be who they actually are, whether that is a boy with long hair, a boy who looks like Adam Lambert, or a girl who shaves her head and dyes it pink, I don't care. I don't see how appearances factor in at all to how well a person can learn or what they may be interested in. I prefer not to draw 'lines'. Here you are going on and on about things that YOU personally disagree with. What's next? You dislike dyed hair and tattoos? What about piercings? Are you prepared to bring down on yourself the wrath of the pierced and tattooed and dyed crowd? Some of us are likely older than you, so you can't blame it on 'rebel youth'. I appreciate individuality. I LIKE to see people being who they are. I HATE conformity and folks who try to FORCE others to conform. I think it is disgusting, hateful, and a crime in itself. How is someone else's individuality hurting YOU? Seriously. If you don't like it, don't look. I don't tell ANYBODY how to dress or fix their hair. It's not up to ME unless it's MY CLOTHES and MY HAIR. Remember that please.
@d_e_v81 (360)
• Singapore
6 Dec 09
Ma'm...I am all for questioning the admin and the school. I am a strong supporter in open communication between the school and the parents. The school is there to help. And any rules even something as simple as a hair cut and a tidy appearance should be adhered to. Yes, kids with long hair can look presentable. But can EVERY kid with long hair look presentable? Whats next? a kid who dyes his hair looks presentable so it should be accepted? A kid who comes to school lookin like adam lambert with eye-liners look presentable so it should be accepted? If we allow one kid to get away with a rule set by the school wouldnt the other children follow suit? where is this going to end? If you need clarifications you should ask the school as to the rationale to their rules. Not tell your kid to go and tell his teacher that his mother wants to write to the mnistry. Isnt that being very cocky of this particular parent?
@jkcokley (265)
• United States
5 Dec 09
Wow, was it only the hair cut that was the issue with this kid. I have a feeling there is an underlining problem with the child, parent and teacher that your friend may not be telling you about. I agree that there should be no reason for the parent to tell the child to tell the teacher that they are going to go to the top official on the teacher. It just seems to me there is something in this conversation that is missing. I agree that children should not be rude and parents should be teaching manners at home. What I am wondering about is why the teacher is enforcing a hair cut? If its the schools rules to have your hair cut a certain length then send the kid to the principal and let the principal deal with the child and his mother. Frankly, the teachers job to me is to educate. Teachers should be teaching math,reading, writing, etc... and lead by example. What the heck does a hair cut have to do with teaching? Ok, regardless of the example given. No, it is not right for children and parents to be rude to a teacher. It simply not right for anyone to be rude to someone else. I'm going to go on the idea that something else is going on with this trio. I also by the way this is written think - that the mother has a right to question the repeated haircuts. As far as school rules lets give the mom the benefit of a doubt, maybe she doesn't understand them. Your post says that the Mother wants to check with the ministry of education why we must cut hair so many times. that to me isn't rude it is simply a question by the mother who maybe can not afford all the haircut's the child seems to have to have , that are being enforced by the teacher. Maybe the teacher is enforcing way too many rules to the max and needs to spend more time teaching math, etc... and please don't look at that last statement as rude, it was simply a suggestion that maybe we are enforcing a haircut rule and other rules beyond the their true intent. Teachers educate, Principals enforce rules. Is anyone getting what I'm saying. Tell your friend to leave the haircut rules to the administration as to avoid relationship problems with his students and parents. Again, I think there is more to the story than just a haircut.
@d_e_v81 (360)
• Singapore
6 Dec 09
I believe that the teacher's role is not just to teach english, maths and science but also to to teach and lead by example. The mother has no problem affording the hair cut. The school rule is clear in the hand book. And can I correct you on another issue? It is not numerous hair cuts that pissed the mother off it is the numerous reminders. I think that the teacher was just doing his job in making his class adhere to the school rules. Would you like it if you are a teacher and the discipline master stops your student during playtime and asks him why his hair is not cut and which class is he from and who is teacher is? That aside...questioning school rules is fine what really irks me is that the parent is teaching her kid it is ok to threaten the teacher by using the ministry's name just for asking him to adhere to school rules. And all school rules have to be reinforced by the class teacher it is every teacher's job. Im sorry to say but I take offence to your first statement "What the heck does a haircut have to do with teaching?" EVERYTHING! If the other pupils think he can get away with not taking a hair cut, they will try to follow suit. And if they think this particular school rule can be bent then they will try to bend every other school rule as well like "you should always hand in your work on time" "you should be punctual" etc. Ive seen parents apologizing for their students for coming late because they couldnt wake up on time. I mean WAKE UP PEOPLE! what are you trying to inforce into the kid? Its ok not to be punctual JUST BECAUSE YOU WOKE UP LATE? I hope you get what I mean...
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Dec 09
Why are you assuming that because one kid has long hair, EVERYBODY else will want to do it too? You know what, if ALL of my friends shave their heads, I'M not getting on the bandwagon. Are you nuts? LOL! I still don't believe that a teacher's main job is making sure that general school rules are enforced. Classroom policies, respecting yourself, respecting others, etc are of course important, as well as safety, but I'm still in a bind as far as the hair thing.
@jkcokley (265)
• United States
7 Dec 09
I'm sorry I offended you but truly what does the length of my kids hair have to do with the knowledge he should be learning from his teacher? Ok, its a school rule but again, I believe that okay, the teacher sends the reminder but the principal is the enforcer. The teacher can send the information home and the reminders but in the end it should be the schools principal that enforces the hair cut thing. In general most parents and students follow the rules. I still believe that the teacher should yes lead by example, teacher my kid math, reading, writing, etc. , let me know when my kid is having a hard time with course materials etc, but I don't believe that after several reminders that the teacher should be taking the role of enforcing the schools rules of haircut length. I believe that after all the notices have gone out, the teacher should be referring the child to the principal in order to get the mother to comply. No it was not right for this mother to tell the child to say what he said. I still feel like there is an underlining issue with this trio.
• United States
6 Dec 09
I am a student myself, I will disrepute a teacher if the teacher disrespect me in the first place
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Dec 09
Like I said, the issue of haircuts seems irrelevant as far as LEARNING is concerned. A person can learn whether they have short hair, long hair, no hair, green hair, or tattooed hair. If you disagree with this, consider your own learning. Do you believe that your learning would change or suffer if you changed your hairstyle? Of course not. If it would, then I would have to question how well you learn in the first place.
@d_e_v81 (360)
• Singapore
6 Dec 09
How is asking you to take a hair cut or enforcing any rules for that matter disrespectful to you? Teachers are humans too and you should try to understand that they are doing the best they can not just to educate you on subjects but also on life.
• United States
5 Dec 09
honestly, i understand your concern. but where i stand on this whole issue gets in the way of my opinion of disrespect. people should respect teachers by all means but on this issue, theyre really dosrespecting the system. which i think is fine. cuz the peoples opinion matters and if kids dont want to cut their hair in a public school they shouldnt have to.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Dec 09
I see this is a culture thing, I had wondered. To me that is just going too far. We have ONE life, people. Just one. You don't get to go back and do it over and live differently. As a result, it is important to spend this time we have focusing on what is really important. I do not believe that worrying excessively about hair and clothes and other things is REALLY IMPORTANT. The people who do believe this is SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than other things are at the best, shallow individuals whose opinions don't matter much anyway.....
@d_e_v81 (360)
• Singapore
6 Dec 09
It all depends on culture. I dont know where ur from or how your education system runs...but here and in most asian schools, haircut, not keeping your fingernails long, wearing clean clothes everyday etc all instills discipline. Questioning one aspect of the rule is like questioning why discipline a child? If his hair is long let it be. As long as he gets good grades thats all it matters. Im sorry, this is not the view in many schools here. Discipline is still a major part and one that should be instilled from young.
@jkcokley (265)
• United States
7 Dec 09
Now I get it... Your in another country......Lord almighty. Public schools are not run this way in America. My confusion is - well gone. Yes in your culture it would be rude to respond in that manner. In America the kids are not required to have their hair a certain length, fingernails , etc...
• United States
5 Dec 09
Children should respect their teachers, but children should also ask questions, they should learn and question old ideas, or question something that they think is not right.
@d_e_v81 (360)
• Singapore
6 Dec 09
Questioning ideas or something they think is not right is fine. Questioning school rules is also fine. But threatening the teacher to report him to the ministry just because he asked his students to abide by the school rules is NOT fine.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Dec 09
dev 81 surely you must have wondered if that mom just did not have the funds for a hair cut when maybe all the money was for food and rent. of course hair can be cut at home if someone can do it right. I dont think that kid was not being disrespectful to the teacher as it w as the parent that had 'the child ask that. sometimes some school rules do need to beexamined for plausibility. I have always felt hair cutting was the prerogative of the parents not the schools.
@d_e_v81 (360)
• Singapore
5 Dec 09
The teacher has to make sure that his charges abide to school rules. If he starts making exceptions, parents will tend to compare, why this teacher allows this and that teacher does not? Especially he is a new teacher so he is in no position to contest the school rules as he is at the bottom of the corporate food chain if you know what I mean. If the parent has a problem with adhering to school rules (which implicitly instils discipline in the student) then she should talk to the school principal. Not threaten to report the teacher to the ministry. He was not even doing anything wrong. Preposterous!
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Dec 09
I don't think the parent is teaching the kid to be disrespectful. If *I* were the parent in that situation, I would have something to say to a TEACHER who went and told MY KID that they needed to cut their hair. It's MY CHILD. If I don't want to cut my child's hair, I am not going to. You state this is some sort of rule? Why the heck would a school REQUIRE a child to have their hair short? Is it a visibility issue? maybe they can wear it tied back? I'm sorry but I bristle at any person sitting there and trying to tell me what to do or not to do with my own kid. When it's your kid, it's your decision. when it's mine, you don't get to have two cents to do with it.... Trust me, if someone told my daughter to do something she knew *I* wouldn't want her involved in and she said 'my mom told me I do not have to listen to you', that is not disrespectful, that is HONEST. That would have been exactly what I told her, and if they had some issue with ME, they could then come over and take matters up with me. I'm not going to have some stranger or other adult threaten my child or try to force her for 'authority sake' to do something that her PARENT wouldn't want her to do. Now if she was TALKING BACK to the teacher and the teacher's rule was completely fair and balanced and I agreed with it, then she should get in trouble, but this hair thing is way beyond that, it's not even in the same category.
@ronnyb (6113)
• Jamaica
6 Dec 09
Wow for a moment there when you said ministry of Education I thought you were from jamaica because we too have a ministry of eduaction too but then I remember that Jamaica and Singapore have similar goevrnment structures.Incidentally too we have similar problems with children being disrespectful and even hurting teachers and the ministry of education not having the teeth to implement measures to discipline these students .I guess we have become so westernised that we are afraid to administer punishment and as a result the school has become like a battlefield
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
6 Dec 09
If you did not have a baseless rule such as 'you need to cut your hair short all the time', then I don't think there would be issues at all. In the US and other westernized places, most public schools do not take issue with kids who don't cut their hair.... it simply doesn't matter because IT'S NOT IMPORTANT!
@jules67 (2788)
• Philippines
6 Dec 09
I think that it is not right for any parent to teach kids to be disrespectul to their teachers. A teacher who is an elder deserves to be respected. In the same manner that a parent wants to be respected as well. I think that parents need to be educated as well as far as dealing with other people is concerned that encompasses more on respect for one another.
• Pakistan
6 Dec 09
the parents can tught their kids vary batterly becous they under stand their nature.
@samwon (54)
• China
6 Dec 09
Its not good .parents should not do that .irk me too
@DenverLC (1143)
• Philippines
6 Dec 09
Parents who will teach their children to be disrespectful with teachers does not deserve a respect too. Teachers are the second parents inside the school, they guide and teach students not to be disrespectful instead.
@d_e_v81 (360)
• Singapore
6 Dec 09
Yes but if teachers disrespect the parents they are role-modelling the wrong behaviour to the student. Teachers should keep their composure at all times...no matter how disrespectful the parents get.
@kiran8 (15348)
• Mangalore, India
6 Dec 09
Hi,I agree with you that we must teacher our children to respect law and be good citizens. It is very important to make them realise what is right and wrong and develop respect for other people regardless of who they are. Most parents fail to do this and talk openly about others in a degrading manner in front of their kids, which is best avoided..
@smartjack (520)
• India
6 Dec 09
You are right. It is because of such parents the child gets spoilt. After all children learn from their parents. They follow what their parents do. parents must know that in the long run this will be harmful to them as the child may become more arrogant and rude towards them and may not respect them in their old age.
@monkeylong (3139)
• Guangzhou, China
6 Dec 09
As far as I am concerned, I think I hate the people who do not respect their teachers deeply. Respecting the teachers is the basic manners in the daily life. If we do not respect our teachers ,who will we respect.Then a non manners world will be, and a lot of bad things will make the world more dirty.So respect other is the basic manners in the lif.Happy mylot.