Can't Cope on £100,000 a year?
By hvedra
@hvedra (1619)
December 7, 2009 9:30am CST
According to one report, there are families out there with income of £100,000 a year who feel they can't cope. The National Average is £35,000 and most of us peasants are on less than THAT.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1233761
I know most people think "ah, if I only had £50 a month more" but when do we really NEED more or are we just making bad choices or expecting/demanding too much? Why do we always increase our spending as soon as our income rises a little?
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@MJay101 (710)
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8 Dec 09
I expect most of these people live in the South of England and are mortgaged up to the eyeballs in obscenely expensive homes... It's the lifestyle that these people seem to be chasing, which is an illusion for all but one in a million, and I think it's pathetic.
Having said that, it's the w4nkers in fast cars who bought everything on credit and now "can't cope" that are mostly responsible for the "boom" in the economy that we experienced over the past ten years...
I wonder how these people would "cope" on the median income?
Or, indeed, on less?
I like to think that they'd all perish; the world would be a better place.
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@hvedra (1619)
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8 Dec 09
It might be an interesting experiment but I think the Main Average (if my schoolgirl maths hold true) might be even more of an eyeopener. Me and hubby are on less than the Median Average, one income, not entitled to ANY benefits or reduced costs for anything (e.g. educational courses). Sometimes it gets a bit tight but we cope and aren't envious of those earning more - possibly because we recognise that they also SPEND more and end up no better or worse off than we are.
Hubby's brother earns over three times what hubby does and his wife works but, if you break it all down, they'd be worse off than us because they spend more, have big debts and no savings at all. If we had to sell everything and pay off the debts we'd probably have twice what they have although our income is less than a third of theirs.
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@hvedra (1619)
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8 Dec 09
IIRC (and there's a strong possiblity I don't) there are three ways of working out an average.
Main: The one that comes up the most.
Median: The one in the middle of the survey.
Mode: Add them all together and then divide by the number of participants.
Probably remembered it all wrong - it was well over twenty years ago I was at school!
It is all about expectations. I expect a roof over my head, food, heating and clothing - anything else I can cope without although I might be a bit nutty after a while. My aspirations aren't material so as long as we're clean warm and fed we're pretty happy and anything else is a bonus.
If people have come to expect bells and whistles or, rather, think they are entitled to bells and whistles, they get all strange about their absence or the bells and whistles everyone else has got. Their life is based around their wants rather than their needs and wants can never be satisfied where as needs finite.
@MJay101 (710)
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8 Dec 09
Wait... Just so I'm clear...
The median income is the middle value, right? Whilst the mean (or average) is the sum of all income over the number of data? So, surely the median would be the sterner test, as its value is lower?
(E.g. in the UK, analysis of the most recent data suggests that the median income was £17,700 (before tax), whilst the mean was £25,500.)
Anyway, I do see your point.
It's really about lifestyle - I'd much rather be poor and happy, then rich and stressed. Just as well, really! But, given the opportunity, I'd reduce the number of hours I worked (lowering my income) in order to spend more time with my other half and live a calmer life.
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@EnglishTeaDuck (862)
• United States
8 Dec 09
Honestly, if someone came up to me right now and whined about 'only' earning that much I would have to slap them...lol...
I have been unemployed and looking since February, have a load of medical bills and have become the most frugal shopper on the planet. We live in a one bed apartment and have no car.
And yes, I would like to earn that much in a year - I'd like to pay off everything and have a chance to get out from under. So yes, some of the slap comes from jealousy...lol....and some from a feeling of, 'oh, shut up, you have no idea.....!'
@hvedra (1619)
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8 Dec 09
Hey Webb Jiang, calm down, the original survey was British and about British incomes!
I think in any country there are the Haves, the Have Nots, the Haves Who Whine about it because they've seen the Have Even Mores and haven't noticed the Have Nots...
It is relative but when people have ENOUGH then they have no place moaning about what extras they don't have.
Happy Mylotting!
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
8 Dec 09
In that strata of society, they are not even aware that they are wasting so much and wanting so much more than actually required for normal healthy sustenance of life. This brings to my mind a comment by a biggie in our office who draws salary and perks in the range that is unimaginable to us. Along with that, his wife is with HDFC Bank in a senior position and in between both of them, they’re earning in the bracket you mention…well us minnows have had no increment or bonus this year and we were just discussing our woes the other day when he chipped in with the same sorry tale! Can you believe it? And he actually holds a grudge against the company that he’s had no monetary appreciation this year and its becoming so difficult for him to cope up! Yeah! So like I said, they are not even aware or bothered or even interested to know how we spend our meager incomes in trying to make our families happy…they are only interested in how much more they are going to earn and how they are going to spend all that…most expensive clothes, shoes, accessories, holidays…I really don’t know *shrug* they think they deserve it some way or the other!
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@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
11 Dec 09
Many people are greedy and always want more than they have. Most people dream of having a pay rise. People that have very high paying jobs react poorly if they get made redundant. I saw a program on television called 'Middle Class and Jobless'. One man had been working for a firm earning £90,000 a year. He had a large house and a fancy looking car. He refused to apply for Job Seekers Allowance which would have given him £60 a week. He applied for jobs but he thought a £20,000 salary would be pathetic. By comparison a student can have long holidays and might save up to spend six weeks backpacking around Australia beginning in July. People like spending and many with high salaries wouldn't get on well if they were made redundant. I am a keen traveler and I travel even if I don't have all that much money.
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@FRANCISCOANDLEE (750)
• United States
8 Dec 09
Yes the more people make the more they spend and these people most likely have high mortgages and such but to complain they can't cope. Please time to cut back. I have been out of work since June and have no idea how I am going to give my son a Christmas like so many others out there. I just looked at the unemployment rate again today and wanted to cry its gone up another 4points in the last 6 months but not to worry the economy is getting better hahahahaha.
Yes there are some jobs out there but when there is only 1 position and hundreds applying it makes it extremely hard to land one.
@FRANCISCOANDLEE (750)
• United States
8 Dec 09
Also people listen to financial institutions to much. I remember the bank telling us oh you can afford a house payment of such and such and me looking at my husband at the time and saying the heck if we can. We're going half.
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@lukespook (26)
• Australia
8 Dec 09
Wow! £100000 pounds a year is a lot oc money. I am the sole income earner for a family of 5 and my yearly income is less than half of that. We can survive pretty well, too.
I guess the problem is that themore money people get, the more they want. I think even I am guilty of that.
Money management is still the key to financial freedom, tho! And I think if someone is unable to survive on £100,000 a year, then they need to sit down and think about their money spending habits.
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@cutepenguin (6431)
• Canada
8 Dec 09
I think it's natural to increase spending as income rises. I try to ignore any income increases, but it's very easy to justify spending more or to sign up for another fixed expense such as a new cell phone contract if you feel you can afford more.
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@LaurenInLA (2270)
• United States
7 Dec 09
You are absolutely right. I retired early so for the first two years I wasn't able to collect my social security or my pension. We were able to live quite well on DH's s/s and pension alone. Late this year, I qualified to collect both and I thought that we would save so much money. Wrong! We just adjusted our spending. I've lived on both of the income levels that you describe and never felt like I was any further ahead. I still seemed to live from paycheck to paycheck. As our income rose, we moved to a bigger house, bought nicer cars, went out to nicer restaurants etc.
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