Makes you wonder......
By p1kef1sh
@p1kef1sh (45681)
December 13, 2009 8:31am CST
Let's say that you are pottering around your garden and you find a shotgun in a plastic bin liner. naturally you are a little surprised. It's not yours and you have no idea how it got there. However, you decide to do the responsible thing and hand it into the Police. Does that sound OK. Sensible. Balanced and rational? Not in the UK. Pick it up and take it to the Police here and you are immediately "in possession" of a firearm for which there is no plea other than guilty IN LAW! The correct answer is to call the police and let them come and collect it. They'll still arrest you as it was found on your land - but you aren't automatically guilty under those circumstances. Makes you wonder what our once wonderful country has come to? Does your country have stupid laws that they enforce?
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
13 Dec 09
I'm with Thea, I'd say nothing and put it away for a rainy day. The signs are growing that the time of the science fiction writers' Urban Wars is coming, so an unregistered shotgun might be just the ticket.
Alternatively, you could dump it in the garden of your nearest and dearest bad neighbour, and then call the cops.
Lash
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
14 Dec 09
Try reading Noam Chomsky's "Chronicles of Dissent" or, better, "The Culture of Terrorism" and chill yourself even further. Stae terrorism, that is, the state against it's members, is a far greater threat to us all than terrorism against the state: your chances, at least in our countries, of being affected by a terrorist attack are fairly slight in statistical terms, buit your chances of being damaged by your own government, even in our countries, is unacceptably high.
Lash
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
13 Dec 09
Well Plkeflsh, the logical thing to do would be to put it inside the house to shoot the armed burglar who you aren't allowed to hit over the head if he's caught breaking in, because they are going to lock you up for that one anyway, so might as well get done for 2 things at once.
They don't really try to enforce laws as such over here as who would do it, the police all agree they are stupid as well so are quite happy to turn a blind eye or in some cases accept a brown envelope.
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@AnnieOakley1 (5596)
• Canada
13 Dec 09
It is like they gov't nowadays does not reward the good samaritan. They just want to have something on everyone to give them the excuse to invade on our civil liberties.
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
13 Dec 09
Well P1ke you know what it is like here and it will not get any better if anything it will get worse
I mean they arrest you for it being on your Property but why would you call the Police out to it if it was yours and attract attention to it
@candymarie (1368)
• Canada
13 Dec 09
Well...the whole charging with possession even if you call them to come pick it up IS a little extreme, but if you do take to them, I understand that you would be technically "fiddling" with evidence, but still extreme!
Laws here in Canada that are extreme...lessee...no passing in a school zone during the summer, sorry, it's still early in the morning for me lol.
Didn't happen to me though, to 2 roommates.
@suzzy3 (8341)
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16 Dec 09
I read the first part and thought straight away call the police out.Then I read the last part and they still arrest you ,what a mad place this country has become.I would be sorely tempted to bury it,but it probably has been used to kill or frighten someone.vital evidence you would have to report it,or you could simply throw it over your neibours fence then call the police.Only joking.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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16 Dec 09
This is not a great place to live nowadays Suzzy. Most of us don't come up against the "Police State" aspects apart from CCTV - did you know that there are more CCTV cameras in the Shetland Isles than the whole of the San Francisco Police Department - but it's there and it is undermining our "Britishness". The Government's attempts to "protect" us have in my opinion done the reverse. I now feel that the State is taking an altogether unhealthy interest in us.
@suzzy3 (8341)
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17 Dec 09
I can understand camera's being put outside shops and trouble hot spots.Some places around our local town are like a prison great big camera's over public areas.All around shops and everwhere.I felt intimidated and watched ,I did not feel safe at all.It was a bad part we had to go to,but the people hurried around like little frightened mice ,no kids out playing it was very errie.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
13 Dec 09
Surely they would not arrest you if you reported it found in your yard and called them to come and get it? That is stupid!
I remember hearing years ago about an old law that was never removed in modern times, but I am not sure if this is still legal now. This law apparently stated that it was legal to pee on the back wheel of your parked car in public, but not anywhere else in public. Weird!
@AnnieOakley1 (5596)
• Canada
13 Dec 09
Now that you mention that, I just remembered that there is still a law here that states that if you open your car door on the traffic side, you are responsible for any accidents it causes. Plus, if someone drives along and hits your open door, it is your fault, not theirs and they have no responsibility as it is still on the books as being illegal to have your door open on the traffic side. But they don't enforce it, but have never removed it from the law books. Kinda like if you make a left turn, and have an accident, it is automatically your fault for taking the risk of making the left turn.
@nannacroc (4049)
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13 Dec 09
The laws in this country have gone crazy, just another example from you. It seems that unless you are a criminal in this country you're in the wrong.
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@littleowl (7157)
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14 Dec 09
Hi p1ke,
Though I live in England I didn't realize that was the case...shows how much about the law I know....fortunatley though my reaction would be to call the police first as I wouldn't want my fingerprints on it! lol hugs LoLo
@littleowl (7157)
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14 Dec 09
Am on the mend and will you will be able to contact me but am not 100% still..am not on the defensive just don't like the idea of being arrested!! hugs LoLo xxx
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
13 Dec 09
hi pikefish that is really absurd to arrest you just cause it was on your land, I mean if you called them you would think they would know it wasn't any of your doing. Oh I am sure we have
some stupid laws too that our police enforce, One I think is
so wrong, a man continually beats his wife and when he really tries to kill her and she fights back and does him in in the attempt to save her own life, she gets sent up for murder. How wrong can that be, it should be she killed in self defense. I think they need to overhaul a lot of our laws. If she had killed someone breaking into her house that was going to kill her, they would call it self defense, but in the other instance they send her up for murder cause she was defending herself against her husband. still think that is so wrong.
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@AnnieOakley1 (5596)
• Canada
13 Dec 09
I agree with you completely Hatley. I think here that the woman may beat the wrap claiming self-defence....I hope.
@sweetie1026 (1718)
• Philippines
14 Dec 09
I never thought that there is a law such as that in your country. As for my country, i think it is not the law but the ones enforcing the laws. I just hope that with the coming elections on May 2010, we will have the chance to put into power all the right people. I hope that they are really the right people for the job or we will live to regret having elected them and have made the wrong choice again.
@camomom (7535)
• United States
13 Dec 09
That's crazy!
I wouldn't touch it. I would call them and let them handle it regardless of the law. That's just crazy that you would be charged with a crime for being a responsible person.
I don't know of any such laws here in the US but I know there are some BAD ones.
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@angelis_obscurae (10)
• Philippines
14 Dec 09
Laws are fallible because they are made by men. And man is never prefect.. Better enforce justice rather than law. And justice is public property
@squaretile (3778)
• Singapore
14 Dec 09
well, i guess in this age of terror there are things that don't make sense.
in my country, what doesn't make sense is that they are terrified of demonstrations. so if more than 5 people are gathered campaigning about something they can be incarcerated.
i think the time has come to relax laws and give people more freedom. although instability is something we shouldn't allow for all the time, not everyone who demonstrates is a nutcase bent on fostering disharmony.
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@AnnieOakley1 (5596)
• Canada
13 Dec 09
All this fear mongering is getting ridiculous. We all now live in the 'fantasy' that we are in a free society, when, in fact, we no longer do. Too many are too busy to notice, they just keep rushing around from their job to home and back, shaking their heads that there is nothing they can do about it. When, in fact, they could, if enough people made a concerted effort.
I thought our mother land, England, was better than that and it saddens me to realize that your country has also succumbed to 'fear mongering', as well. Saddens me greatly. Since we were originally a British colony and I note half of my lineage to be British, I have always thought of Britian as the mother country.
We, here in Canada, are way too influenced by our neighbour's to the South, the U.S. I thought (hoped) that Britian would have more backbone. I don't know why, I guess I just hoped that there was some country left with some reason and rational thinking.
I believe a worldwide revolt is due over freedoms and rights being taken away. I just don't know where or when, just that it is due. The politicians are acting without voters consent and often without their knowledge, as well.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
14 Dec 09
So it sounds to me like the correct procedure is to put gloves on, pick it up and throw it in the yard of the neighbor you like the least, and then call the police...
dumb dumb dumb...
I'm sure we have lots of stupid laws here, but I can't think of one anywhere that stupid right now.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
14 Dec 09
I'm guessing that said civil servant wasn't a people person.
@elitess (5070)
• Ipswich, England
13 Dec 09
Hi there Pike
Yes that sounds odd and bizarre.
I think my country is full of stupid laws and / or has many that should be applied but are not.
A good example is the dog pound which is divided into the 6 districts of our city, in other words, as our law teacher was explaining to us, if the dog passes the street from district 2 to district 3, he is no longer the problem of district 2, how stupid is that ?
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