Former Head of the Democratic Party against health care bill

United States
December 16, 2009 11:20am CST
Howard Dean, former head of the DNC, is speaking out against the healthcare reform bill. He is saying that it has turned into a "Healthcare insurance company bail out". He said it would NOT get rid of pre-existing conditions clauses and would require everyone to have insurance....no matter the cost. He is calling the bill "the insurance company's dream". He is urging the defeat of this bill and asking other democrats NOT to vote for it. What do you think of what Dean said? Is he right....now that the public option and the medicare buy in have been taken out...is all that is left going to help the insurance companies and hurt the american people? Should fellow democrats listen to him and vote NO?
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
16 Dec 09
Lol, Dean is an idiot, but even a broken clock is right twice a day I guess. He is right, he just doesn't know why is all. It is a gimmie for insurance companies. In fact, any bill that mandates a citizen to buy insurance is an absolute boon for insurance companies. It is guaranteed business. The alternative is a public for those who can't afford insurance on their own. So, a person who is now faced with the option of buying insurance or paying fines and possibly jail time, aho can't afford insurance on their own, has no choice but to go on the public option, it's almost enslavement. Let this be known to everyone, I will not supprt any bill, ANY bill no matter how good, that mandates citizens to have health insurance.
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• United States
16 Dec 09
the public option has been pulled out of the bill. HTey could not get the 60 votes on it to get it pass.But htey left the mandate in. So now if it passes you either buy your own insurance, or get fined, possible go to jail. There is not even a public plan for the working poor to fall back on. Which means the insurance companies are free to charge whatever they want and we the public have to either pay it or get into legal trouble. Wow...all that lobbyist money sure buys a lot of back up from Uncle Sam. I agree though. I won't support any bill that mandates it either. Even with a public option.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
16 Dec 09
I will exercise civil disobedience on this one, I will refuse to get insurance. I will organize (hopefully with help) a MASSIVE national civil disobedience movement on it if nessesary. I am also hoping someone more savey than I will challenge that aspect of it in court, in fact, I hope tons of savey people challene it in court. I will also start houding my state legislators in advance to pass a bill that excludes New Hampshire from manditory insurance purchase...we refused to comply with the REAL id act by enacting a state law that forbid it's introduction in my state, so this to me would be no different.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Dec 09
"a broken clock is right twice a day I guess" And this makes twice for him. The first time was when he said Democrats in congress won't push for tort reform because they are in the pockets of the trial lawyers. I'm truly amazed at how people think that republicans oppose it because they are in the insurance company's pockets. Mandating health care is the best thing in the world for insurance companies. I'm with you in that I will NEVER support anything that mandates insurance. I'm still opposed to mandating auto insurance since I've spent thousands on it since I was a teenager and have never actually used it.
• United States
16 Dec 09
Remember this is the Senate Bill. WE don't even know if this will pass. Health Care Reform with the Public Option passed in the House. I do agree with Howad dean however, we need a public option. This Bill that they have now is watered down, but I don't think it will pass. I think the Pulbic Option will prevail (fingers crossed). I like Howard Dean, I think more should listen to him not just Democrats. I'd rather have a single payer health insurance myself, but I'll settle for havin a Public Option. I think people are just trying to stall anyway they can right now. However, I think Healthcare Reform with the Public Option will be passed.
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• United States
17 Dec 09
They pulled the public option out of the bill...why? they did not have the 60 votes. Just like they removed the medicare buy in out because they did not the 60 votes on it either. I don't see them getting put back in. This bill as it now stands is worthless....enless you are a insruance company.
@missybal (4490)
• United States
16 Dec 09
Even with the Public Option it was going to increase money flowing to the insurance companies just like how the laws on auto insurance flowed more money to them. The government has a huge stake in this since the government makes more money off the insurance companies then the insurance companies themselves make. Even with the public option the bill was always about making people buy healthcare even if they don't want it... so the federal government could get more revenue. The income limits that were tossed around to actually get your healthcare for free (paid by tax dollars) were too low for many to qualify that may actually be in need, and then they would be forced by the government to buy health insurance. Why is it that people don't want to listen unless a democrat finally calls it what it is? This is not new news! As for the Insurance companies that keep a whole 2-6%, they have been hit by the economy too... I doubt they will even make that much profit next year. Everyone else gets a bail out.
• United States
16 Dec 09
Don't worry about the poor insurance companies. They are still rolling in dough. Enough to spend millions to get this bill changed to something that will make them even more money. No more bail outs. Especially at our exspense. I can not afford anymore.
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
16 Dec 09
Freakin' lobbyists!! Yeah, I just heard Dean speaking on MSNBC. What a crock of poo!
• United States
16 Dec 09
Unforuately he is right. The lobbyists have thrown around enough money to get congress (even the democrats) to take out anything that would hurt the insurance companies profits and leave in everything that would help their profits. This bill is now catering to the insurance companies....it will help them...not the american public.
• United States
17 Dec 09
No one in Washington has the guts to suggest the optimal healthcare plan: 1. Open Medicare Parts A (inpatient coverage) and B (outpatient coverage) to everyone, in the form it exists in right now. We know Medicare works and that people who are on it like it. The systems are in place. It would take more workers, more records-storage space and larger computers to handle a system with 300 million beneficiaries as opposed to the 40 million who are on it now, but it's doable. The cost wouldn't go up 7.5 times (40 goes into 300 7.5 times) because the 40 million people who are on Medicare right now are senior citizens, many of whom have very expensive-to-treat conditions. I figure you can add 130 million of the 260 million who aren't currently on Medicare for very little expense since they're healthy. 2. Gather a group of health insurance and health provider people to design "superpolicies." You'd buy a superpolicy if you wanted something Medicare didn't offer. They could cover dental and vision care, provide prescription coverage (think Medicare Part D), enable you to get a private room in the hospital...lots of things would be available with superpolicies. The insurance companies would be better off selling superpolicies than selling full-coverage policies because the really expensive stuff would already be taken care of by the beneficiary's Medicare policy. You could buy superpolicies directly from the insurance company, or you could have the cost added onto your Medicare Part B premium. Howard Dean is right, though; a bill containing mandates that doesn't eliminate preexisting conditions clauses is nothing but a gift to the insurance industry. As a physician, Howard Dean knows more about health insurance than most of us.
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@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
17 Dec 09
Everyone should listen to Howard Dean and vote NO on the horrid, unconstitutional "deathcare" bill. Howard Dean is a doctor and he should know ALL the harm it can do, both as a doctor and as a politician. I never thought I'd find myself on the same side of any issue as Dean, but, for whatever his reasons on this one, NO ONE should vote for this bill; it must be defeated AT ALL COST.