When things seem to be getting better they get worse. . .
By dorannmwin
@dorannmwin (36392)
United States
December 16, 2009 1:27pm CST
My husband and I have gone through a lot of life changes this year. We've moved into our own house. We've decided that we aren't going to use credit cards any longer and are now in a debt management plan to get them paid off in short order.
I thought that once we started with the DMP that things would actually start to get better for us. In certain ways they are, we aren't spending more money than our monthly income and that is a good thing and it is a lesson that is going to last us the rest of our lives. In the future it is going to be easy for us to go on less than what we earn.
However, this month is a real struggle for us. We are short on money at this point in the month. And, because of that it is causing me to be angry with my husband. He doesn't want me to work outside the house until our son starts school and yet he isn't working enough hours to make it comfortable for us.
So, my question is: Do you ever fight with your significant other over money issues. Have you ever had a big fight with your spouse/significant other. If you've had financial issues in the past, were you able to get through them?
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15 responses
@much2say (56667)
• Los Angeles, California
17 Dec 09
Well, I got into the DMP myself and finished just about when we had our first child. It was for me, not for me and my husband. I guess I used my credit cards way too much in my 20's . . . but I see it as living it up - ha ha - and paying for it later. It was getting out of hand. Going on the DMP was the best thing I ever did . . . the good thing was I made the deadline of signing up for a specific set of classes . . . if I took them, my monthy fees would be waved. So I was in the DMP for free. I learned a lot about budgeting . . . and living deligently on this fixed budget got me out of my mess. I've been "sober" from the plastic ever since.
My husband and I never have big fights . . . but we do have our disagreements. It's more about heavy discussions about how we're going to handle things and our stresses rather than opposing views clashing.
Money is a big deal here right now - I admit things are rather tight for us too - not entirely comfortable. We had agreed that I would be a stay at home mom until both kids are in school full time (which means another 5 years for me) and felt that was what was best for the kids and our financial situation. There's no way we could afford daycare or even preschool - my parents both work during the week - and we just don't trust my husband's parents to watch over our kids. I know it's tough on my husband to be the sole breadwinner, but he knows financially this is our best bet. We are in an apartment, but having a house is not possible right now (we're in expensive CA). He still has a student loan to pay off. And then there's the regular bills. With kids, there are always those extra expenses that can throw off a budget. It's tough, but we try to make it work. I don't work, so I try to do what I can at home to cut costs: use coupons and be a mad saver when shopping for anything, get stuff from Freecycle or Craigslist if we need something that we don't exactly want to pay for, go online to find free family activities, etc.
Anyway, I hope you guys will work it out somehow ... hopefully things will get better for everyone in the new year!!
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
Thank you so much for sharing your experience with DMP. You are only the second other person that I've ever met that has been through it. One of my friends from our playgroup has been through it as well. Both of you say that in the long run it is a wonderful thing, and I believe that to be the case as well even though we are only three months into the program. We have a very tight budget in our house, but I know that when it is said and done, there won't be a thing that we want to have that we won't be able to because it will only take a few months of continuing the same budget to be able to buy what we want to have.
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
16 Dec 09
The three main causes for marital fights are S*X, MONEY AND In Laws. You can work it out and compromise. Perhaps you could get a part time job? Filling supermarket shelves for a couple of hours at night? You can work it out. Calmly. No fighting allowed. congratulations for getting on the path to be without cc debt. Credit card debt is my main focus this coming year. I have to get rid of it for once and for all. Compromkise is part of marriage
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
16 Dec 09
I certainly won't lend you my machete if you are quarrelling with husband
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
18 Dec 09
Now that sounds good. Even some short part time jobs would help your family and it would be good for you too.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
LOL on not lending me your machete over a fight with the hubby. I'm trying to do the part time route to help with our finances as far as my Tupperware and also some part time babysitting. I'm also considering going back to work as an usher for the local minor league baseball team in the spring because I've done that before and I really enjoy it. Besides that, it isn't a really demanding job.
@musicman6 (2407)
• United States
17 Dec 09
dorannmwin, there is a financial advisor named Dave Ramsey, that has his own radio show, has written books, and has some really good advice about getting yourself out of debt, and being financially stable, that I wish I had heard about him 30yrs ago!
He has some really good advice for people, and if they would listen to him, a lot of people would be a lot happier and out of debt! Give a listen to him if you can, his website is daveramsey.com !
I listen to him giving advice to a lot of people that are really in debt, and he makes a lot of sense, 'common sense' !
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
Actually, my husband has listened to him since before we met and I've taken to listening to him as well. I also listen to Clark Howard who is another financial advisor. I've learned a lot from both of them and they are the reason that we decided to enroll in the DMP and also the reason that I am able to feel good about cooking at home almost every single night.
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@musicman6 (2407)
• United States
18 Dec 09
Oh, that is good! I'm going to give a listen to, this Clark Howard, also!
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
18 Dec 09
Two big issues with him:
1) was when he made a large stock purchase without telling me because he knew I'd object
2) is now, he keeps going to the darn casino and spending too much money and then griping at me at how much my medical and counseling bills cose
#1 is something I'm pretty sure he will never do again. With #2, he thinks we can solve some problems on our own without help. And I don't believe we can. And as far as the stupid casino, he has fun there. It bores me to tears.
Big discussion coming up...
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
18 Dec 09
It's fun to a point when I am winning. He just gets all excited and won't stick to a limit though.
We transferred the cc balances to a zero percent card, so that will make it easier to pay them off...
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
I do enjoy going to the casino to a certain degree, but it has been over two years since the last time that I was there and whenever I do go, I have a very limited amount of money that I can afford to lose. My hubby doesn't like the casino at all. The large stock purchase, I'd hope that your significant other has learned his lesson over this and I hope that it does never happen again for you all.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
17 Dec 09
Aww, sure have Dorann. It's one of the main things couples argue about...finances. I have come a long way with finances, but with a divorce, and then losing health insurance, it's been awful trying to pay for meds. I had no choice but to simply quit taking some of them, but I was blessed to have a great doctor and pharmacy working with me to get the lowest rx's possible, and some companies that send them free to those who are disabled and on a low/fixed income.
You write really well. Have you considered writing articles to earn extra? Once established, you can do quite well. Plus, do you claim small business expenses on your home since you provide care for your neices?
Just some thoughts.
Karen
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
19 Dec 09
Ugh, I need to keep my records for taxes and such less scattered, I know. And utility expenses and such, too, since I now work many hours each day writing for pay.
Good online article sites:
Associated Content
Constant Content
Helium
Triond
Textbroker
I think you'd enjoy it.
Karen
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
If I knew of venues to look into for writing articles to earn a little bit of extra money, I would be completely in favor of it. I've been what I consider myself to be a writer since I was a teenager and it is something that has never left me. As far as small business expenses for the house and other expenses, we moved into the house this year and I was stupid and didn't start keeping track of the expenses that were deductible right away. However, where I am also doing Tupperware, I've already got my log book ready to start for next year.
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@rosepedal64 (4188)
• United States
17 Dec 09
Hi dorann
I know where you are coming from. My husband got laid off this past March. He was off for 6 months. He finally got called back to work. He had to take a pay cut to keep this job. I cant work. I have a nerve problem that prevents me from working in the public. That is how I ended up here. I don't make alot of money at all but it eases my mind to some degree.
We do have fusses over money issues sometimes. He doesn't understand what all the bills are and such. He just lets me handle everything. The best thing that I think you can do is try and understand how he feels. Another thing is that if you did work could you make enough to cover the sitter cost and still have money to help with the household cost.
I wish you the best and hope that things will start to look up for you. Have a great day and keep smiling.
@rosepedal64 (4188)
• United States
19 Dec 09
That would be a great thing to do. I told my hubby the same just last month . He too know about what goes out. I put it to him what if I was sick and he had to take care of it.
I hope that things will work out for you real soon.
Keep smiling.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
I too make sure all of the bills are paid in our household and I think that is a big part of the reason that I stress over the bills more than he does. He only knows what is coming in but he knows nothing of what is going out save for the monthly mortgage payment and the DMP payment. The utilities and school expenses and food and clothing he knows nothing about. I sometimes think we should have a monthly date where we could sit down together and talk about our finances.
@xtedaxcvg (3189)
• Philippines
16 Dec 09
Me and my wife sometimes argue about money issues. When we were engaged we never thought fighting or even arguing over money, but now we're experiencing it. What we do is we try our best not to say things that we will regret in the future. We also steer clear of harsh words that can leave an emotional scar. Like you guys, we try our best to budget our money and work hard so we can be at least comfortable in life.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
I think that every couple is going to have an occasional fight over money issues. My husband and I also know that we cannot use harsh words that will cause scars between each other. I think being good with money is a learning process and really, I think we are doing better every month, but we are continually learning as we do it as well.
@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
17 Dec 09
we have almost always had financial issues but never had really any arguments over money. we always try to save money and tend to be very frugal with money.
can you get assistance of any sort?
there are ways to make money at home. i sold avon while staying home with my kids, plus i have done crafting and sold it plus i have done some freelance writing.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
I am exploring the options to make money at home. As I've mentioned to another poster, I do babysit my two nieces a few days a week which helps to pay for our groceries and I also am trying to get established with Tupperware. I've done Avon in the past but it didn't really work out for me because I wasn't in love with the products.
@CJscott (4187)
• Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
17 Dec 09
It is rare I think to find a couple that haven't have had a big fight. Sometimes the reasons are good, other times they are not good.
As for financial issues, I am in the middle of them, working two jobs, because my wife stays at home, and does what ever people do when they are at home, I don't think it is "home-keeping" though. Sometimes I wonder if what she does is just lay on the couch all day.
But, we do have a little one, and we would both prefer not to put him in daycare, so she decided to start one of those, so things are getting better now.
Cheers.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
You and my husband both sound the same way to a certain extent. He has actually asked me before if I do anything while he is at work. LOL. I too am doing childcare out of the house and it is a help for us. Once again, I think it was just this week. I know the days that I am supposed to babysit and this week has been completely messed up because my nieces or my children have been sick and it has thrown the weekly budget completely off because I won't be getting the money that I was counting on in my budget.
@abhikmjmdr (779)
• India
17 Dec 09
This is something a lot of us are facing. You have taken a very bold decision and doing a good job from what I gather.It is really a tough world out there and it has really become a very difficult job to make ends meet,especially when one person is working.It is indeed a question of cutting corners to get the bare essentials and keep one self debt free.You guys are on the right track though,keep it up.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
It is one of the things that makes me happy is to look at our checking ledger at the end of a week and to see that we are not throwing out a bunch of money on things that we don't need. There was a time that we would spend untold dollars on things that we didn't need and now in a week it is a lot less than it used to be. By things that we could go without, I mean gas, soda, etc.
@randylovesdar (4932)
• United States
16 Dec 09
My husband and I have been arguing quite a bit over money. He is working part-time now (his hours dropped from full-time to part-time). His boss claims there is no money in the budget to give him more hours (which I do not believe for a minute because his boss hired two new people and both are full-time). I have not been able to find a job since I graduated college this past summer. I have a degree in Elementary Education, but because of the bad economy I can not find work.
I am sorry that you and your husband are fighting and I really hope things will be better for the both of you. I wish that there were legitimate work from home jobs that we can do over the Internet to make enough money to help suppliment the income.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
I too wish that there was more to be able to do from home to help supplement the family income. A big part of the reason that I don't bring up going to work too often is because we both agreeed when Paul was born that we would rather not have money but know about our children's upbringing than have a lot of money. I'm doing what I can and it honestly helps, but sometimes it just isn't enough.
@ramos7881 (344)
• United States
17 Dec 09
Wow. I am in a somewhat different boat, but along those same lines. My husband did not work for 3 years due to an on the job injury. At that point, I was forced to go to work and since I had always been a stay-at-home mom to our four kids (a job which I loved by the way and had no desire to change it), I had no real work experience. I decided to go to school and pursue a nursing degree. I have since received that degree and have been able to provide adequately for my family. During this time, we did get used to having a little more money than before, and now my husband is unable to earn wages comparable to mine. His solution? We both work. I hate it. I feel like a horrible mother, and we still don't have money after day care, extra fuel, and extra lunch money (for all family members - who has time to pack the kids' lunches now?). So, we are fighting more than usual also, because he feels that he (or I) works for nothing, the house isn't as clean and organized as it used to be, laundry is a struggle, the cars and house need routine maintenance, but he works 12 hour days 7 days a week and I have four kids and their schedules plus mine to maintain. Yet, we are both hesitant for me to quit my job for many reasons, not just money.
Oh yes, I understand about the money situation you are going through quite well. I also remember being in the exact situation you describe prior to my husband becoming injured. One year, my husband got paid the Friday before Christmas at which point I went and got all of the Christmas gifts off of layaway, only for him to be laid off the following Wednesday. These fights are so common to married couples, but compromise and good manners do get you through it. I hope the best for you.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
Thank you so very much for sharing your story. It really is good to hear that it isn't just the families where only one parent works that go through difficult times financially. I know the burden that child care can be and that is a big part of the reason that I don't work outside the house. I want to make more money so that we can have some creature comforts, but it isn't really that easy to be able to work around my husband's varying schedule. I do keep my nieces a few days a week which basically covers our grocery money and I am trying to get established with Tupperware, which I am able to do in the evenings. Then, there are the little things that I do online. None of these things make an immediate difference, but I know that they will in the long run.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
16 Dec 09
Firstly, let me say that I am so sorry you are in this predicament. Believe me, you are not alone! In this household of just myself and my husband we rarely argue about money. There is an important reason for this; my John was made redundant in May 2008 from a firm he had worked for for 21 years, virtually from leaving school. This meant that he was unemployed, like myself. It was a real struggle during this period as there was hardly any money coming in and his redundancy money ended up going on bills as opposed to any treats we may have wanted at that time. It took him 4 months to find another job and he now has to travel to get to it. The money is less than before and he feels obliged to do lots of overtime just to make ends meet. One good thing to come out of this experience is that he has no credit card as the company froze it and he was unable to use it as before, anyway, once it was paid off. His parents have helped us out financially and without them I do know that we would really be struggling now. However, John is a very proud man and wants to take on this financial burden all by himself. Once I find a job I know that we shall be back to normal again...but it is tough finding work here as it is very quiet at the moment. Oh, dear, I haven't cheered you up have I?!! My Mum worked on school dinners (and still does) as she was always home when we came home from school, but she never worked when we were toddlers, it was a different "time" then. Things are different now. Say you did work; is there anyone that can look after your son if you do?
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
The issue with my son is that there is really no one that we are comfortable leaving him with. I worked when my daughter was younger, but with her we had friends and family that watched her for the most part. It was easy to get family to watch her as she was the first grandchild and it was sort of a novelty to have her around. Honestly, my son has never been treated with the same regard as his sister has ever been.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
18 Dec 09
Sorry to hear that. My nephew was looked after by his Grandad. If there had been another grand-child after that I'm not sure if Grandad would approve. It's like my in-laws are far more interested in their only grand-child from the daughter than they are of their own son, it seems to me. :-(
@puppynut (370)
• New Zealand
17 Dec 09
Hi, I'm pregnant with my first child and have just got married less than three weeks ago. Christmas this year for us is a nightmare. We've ended up with far less money than we intended to have and probably won't be able to go on holiday this Christmas. My husband has two children from a previous marriage and they are coming to live with us from now on. The worry is disappointing the kids as at this point in time there is 7 days until Christmas and no money for Christmas presents. We are also very worried about how we are going to be able to afford to school the children. At this point in time I'm not able to work for health and other reasons and my husband is also out of work right now. As you can imagine the strain is extreme and yes we are definately snappy at each other, but we are trying to have faith that God will deliver us somehow. We are trying not to worry because the worry doesn't help on top of the problems themselves, and we have to be strong for the children as it is going to be hard for them too. I hope your situation improves. I believe ours will somehow.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
You've mentioned one of the things that is the most important to me. I know that there are a lot of people that are struggling financially, but I also know that it is quite important for me to make sure that I don't show this burden to our children. The reason that I was so frustrated the day that I posted this discussion is that my husband's solution to the problem this week was to not let our children attend their gymnastics class. He said that would make all of the difference that we needed and that burned me up because I don't want to have to take away from the children because of poor decisions that we've made.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
16 Dec 09
hi dorannmwin sorry to hear you are having that financial cruch so many of us are having here in California. I think our only fights we had were over finances and whether or not I should go back to work. well I did occasionally work when he was jobless on his lawn and landscaping job but when push come to shove, and he had to have ca surgery and was unable for a long time to work, I had to take a part time job over and above his sulks. he felt bad that he was house bound and I had to work.I did not mind as I loved my job in the library.was on Ssi and social security both and I felt bad as every time I got a small raise they took that much money out of his ssi check.but we were survivors and we did get through it and learned not to fight about money.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Dec 09
I'm glad to hear that you were able to get through it. That is what is really important in the long run. I can not honestly be involved in a relationship and to expect that we will never fight with one another. I consider myself blessed that my husband and I rarely have a fight. I guess that is also why it hurts me so bad on the times that we do get into it with each other.