give in and go with the flow
By Ongtina
@ongtina (1232)
Singapore
December 17, 2009 8:24pm CST
Should we give in and go along with our spouse, do what he/she wants? Is pride more important than a harmonious relationship? I like to use the com and chat here on mylot but my husband doesn't like it so now I use the com when he's not around. He's domineering and gets me to do things which I feel he can and should do himself. Sometimes it gets me to feel indignant. Not going along and do as told will incur conflict and we will be arguing and there will be unpleasantness. Everything is fine if I go along except I don't feel too good ( lack of pride perhaps ). Telling and discussing doesn't help much cos he can't change his attitude. So what do you do? Argue to have your pride or do as told to maintain harmony? What is more important?
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12 responses
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
18 Dec 09
We have the same problem here with the computer. My husband thinks that I am fooling around, but he does not understand that I also use it to make a little extra money. He also wants to control what I can buy and now since he is dying, is making sure of it by fixing up the handicapped van he needs to get around = well a friend is having it done in a body shop. You have also a bossy husband, but he does not have a reason for not helping or doing things himself. My husband would love to fix things - he is mechanically inclined, me I am the opposite, but it hurts when a man can do things and is so dammed lazy to do it. Do you know someone like your father or his father who can give him a dressing down and tell him to get off of his butt?
Oh and you should be able to do things for yourself and have your own way in things, but with a bossy husband, it is harder to do because they will not listen to us, So the only way is to get another man that they will not mind taking orders from like older male relative or maybe the pastor or priest of your church.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
19 Dec 09
Same here. Although I do tell my husband what I think but most of my complaints I do here. I mean I tell here about his trouble with things sticking to his false teeth = things that will not stick to mine, about the piano, about him being a grouch and then giving an everything is fine and that money is no object. I know the latter makes no sense, as our friends also have to watch their budgets, but that is another discussion.
@ongtina (1232)
• Singapore
21 Dec 09
Complaining at mylot can help me release stress and pent up emotions rather than complaining to him. A lot of time, I will feel more agitated because he don't see eye to eye with me or comply and change himself. But everything is still OK depends on how I want to react.LOL
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@StarBright (2798)
• United States
18 Dec 09
Hi, ongtina: I don't think you are asking for advice. I think you are venting. As one who has been married for 40+ years,I recognize the signs. You love your husband and there are times when you love that "dominating, take charge attitude" of his because you feel safe and cared for. At other times, you could put your hands around his neck and strangle him until he stops breathing. hahaha Every one that has been married for any period of time has been there.
For me, the rule is to pick my battles. In a marriage, each of you needs to be able to breath and be whole. At the same time, you need each other. You will not do everything that he likes and he will not do everything that you like. Sometimes it is a matter of accepting someone for who they are. If he is by nature a strong personality but not cruel, you may want to let him be Mr. Macho and pump him up. He will love you all the more for it. sometimes you can tame a wild beast with a soft voice and a little food in the hand. You know what I mean. If he is cruel and you feel abused, then run for the nearest exit. Do not even look back.
Weigh the good and the bad in your marriage. You say there are things he wants you to do that he could do himself. Are there things he does for you that make you feel special? There should be some balance. If there is not, then find a way to not be so available for him. Make yourself busy so he has to do it for himself.
I find that talking can be a big waste of time. If after the first couple of times it is not effective, it is not going to be. You have to move to the next step. Lead by example. Not in a mean way. Sweetly, gently, but firmly. If that doesn't work, and it is really that important to you, then start planning your getaway. Good luck and God bless.
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
19 Dec 09
He needs attention. He is probably trying to make you jealous. Humor him. When he shows you a beautiful woman, admire her along with him. If he says this woman is his co-worker's wife, tell him how lucky the coworker is. Ask if they are good friends at work. See if he wants to invite the couple to dinner. Offer to call the wife and extend the invitation personally. Then suggest you do something to make yourself beautiful for him because you want him to be proud of you when his coworker comes over. Work it. Ask him if you should get a new outfit or something. LOL. Don't back down. Show confidence even if you don't have it at first. You are married to a strong domineering man, so you have got to show backbone. At the same time, you have to be an innocent kitten. Show confidence in his faithfulness and honesty and virtues so he will feel like s#@! if he tries to cheat. At the same time, keep it on his mind that altho he is the boss and the king, you will not stand for his BS outside the home for one minute. He won't know what to think of this new woman. Again, sweet and gentle, but steel underneath.
@ongtina (1232)
• Singapore
19 Dec 09
I would give you best response if I had read yours earlier, but I've already given it away. Can we have more than 1 best response? I must say you have not been married for 40+ years in vain, you are very learned. Yes, I am venting and do still love him. Yes, sometimes it felt good to have his strong domineering character and yet sometimes suffocating. Thankful to have mylot to voice out and all friends here to enlighten me that I can breathe again.:) Okay, I'll pump him and let him be Mr Macho and lead in the sweet, gentle but firm way. One thing happened just now and I'd like your advice.
I cooked something for him which needed an hour to cook. I left it cooking and used the com. I forgot about it till he suddenly came home (2 hours, I'm 1 hour late to close the fire). The soup dried up. He knew but didn't make a deal out of it. Then, he ( very out of norm ) get my attention to photos he had taken on his hand phone. Lifting his hands high(he's sitting and I'm standing) so I caught sight of a picture of an animal and interested, I would look . Then he showed other photos of his work and ended with a photo of a beautiful woman. He said she's his worker's wife. Now of course with his character, he wouldn't admit or let me know of his affair and if he wanted to show his affair, he would say his(meaning he doesn't want this marriage anymore). But he also knows that what he did would get me thinking.I didn't make a deal of it but why/what does he wish to accomplish?
@livewyre (2450)
•
18 Dec 09
I know you say he won't listen, but communication is the key. You will have to find an approach that works otherwise you are both gong to be miserable.
I would suggest that you initially approch the subject in a seemingly submissive way, like 'would you prefer me to do exactly what you say - or would you prefer me to have my own views?' (this should NOT be said as part of an argument but as a genuine frank discussion). What I am saying is that you need to get him to see that your input to the relationship is valuable - he should acknowledge that it is unhealthy for him to dominate the relationship.
I'm not trying to tell you word-for-word because it has to come from you, but there are issues that must be faced up to - maybe he has some issues too, so you need to create an atmosphere in which you can have a free and frank discussion like adults should be able to.
There is this technique you can use if you are both open to it - the person talking has a cushion (or any other item to hand) and the listener cannot interrupt or say a thing until they receive the cushion. When you have finished your bit, the listener takes the cushion and repeats back what they think you said.
They give you back the cushion and you either say yes that's right, or correct what they did not understand. The cushion goes back and forth until the point is fully understood on both sides (only ONE person talking at a time).
Then the listener can have a turn at making a point. It sounds a bit silly and it is a little like a game, but it is a really good system for enabling you to say what you want without it being mis-interpreted..
The reason you MUST talk is that if you swallow your pride you will build up resentment, which will be bad for the relationship. If he understands this concept, then he show be willing to participate in a discussion.
@livewyre (2450)
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21 Dec 09
Thanks for the BR - of course the cushion is optional, but the point is that you get your poinr accross then have your partner tell you what he thinks you meant by what you said... This tocompletely gets rid of any possible mis-understanding...
It's amazing how many times you might have to talk a point backwards and forwards until you both understand...
All I would say is that if you don't use the cushion, have a mechanism that makes sure you get feedback to what you have said - preferably without it escalating into a full-scale row - the cushion stops the row before it starts because the rule is that you must let your partner finish what they are saying...and then you have a chance to give your uninterrupted reply in full.
@ongtina (1232)
• Singapore
19 Dec 09
I like what you say about approaching the topic in a seemingly submissive way and agree that as time passed without communicating and solving this issue, resentment builds up. It has and so at times I ignore him and reject his advances. Yes, it's not healthy. I think your approach may just be workable but the cushion part cannot in my case. Thanks for the insight to solution.
@cobradene (1171)
• India
21 Dec 09
Maybe your husband is insecure or he likes to control everything. Pride of your relationship is important and both must have a mutual feeling towards each other. But I don't know why he doesn't like it.
I used to play a lot of games on my mobile phone and my girlfriend didn't like it at all, and she used to somehow show her frustration and literally irritate me a lot whenever I was on it. She didn't like me playing games on my comp either and she used to throw a lot of negative energy around and that would create fights between us also.
But what to do... Some people just can't stand it if their partners are having their own space off for a while and spending some time with themselves. But that's not healthy. Partners should allow each other some space, and allow them to do what they like, but if it gets too much in the way of their relationship, then they should be reminded that they are ignoring other duties... But as long as it's harmless, it's good. But it's good to spend a little time away from each other and keep your minds busy with something else for a while... Too much of each other can also make you feel exhausted.
You need to maintain your pride for sure, but still, you have to compromise a few things to keep love moving on. So, I stopped playing games totally on the computer because of my girlfriend and I am totally fine with it now.
But did you find out the reason why he doesn't like you chatting on the computer?
@ketybhagat (4123)
• India
18 Dec 09
I am really sorry for you, for with a domineering husband life must be pretty bad. I think under the circumstances, what you should do is try and maintain harmony when he is around and do what you like when he goes to work. Just be careful you do not get caught unawares. It must be pretty frustrating for you, but if in every other respect he is good, gives you money to spend, takes care of you, takes you out etc., in short gives you food, clothing and shelter, and love to some extent, then go with the flow. If he keeps you unhappy otherwise too, then I think you should fend for yourself. Good luck friend. I hope you will find the courage to do what you feel is right.
@ongtina (1232)
• Singapore
18 Dec 09
Thanks and enlightening advice. True, in other aspects he is responsible and tries his best, it's just that domineering attitude. I should maintain harmony. To be honest, my ears are pricked up for fear of being caught unaware. LOL. I'm a little jumpy when I hear the keys opening at the door, what a joke since I'm not doing anything wrong/unfaithful to him.
@ketybhagat (4123)
• India
21 Dec 09
Just be very careful and dont do anything he does not like around the time you expect him home. Maybe you can latch the door from inside, and tell him you feel safer. You can unlatch around the time he comes home, so you are at peace. Take care and Merry Christmas.
@carmenvj (61)
• United States
18 Dec 09
Hi,
Your husband seems to be very controlling. Communication is key. You have to let him know how you feel. Your husband is probably dealing with some insecurity issues as well. There has to be mutual respect between the two of you. Marriage is very hard. I know. I have been at it for 14 years and we work at improving our marriage everyday. This is what you have to do. It has to be the both of you who are working at it. Not just one. Make a list of the pros and cons. If the pros outweight the cons, then it is well worth working at your marriage. If the cons outweigh the pros, it is a must that you both sit down and get it together. You are not suppose to be unhappy or jumpy as soon as he puts his key in the door. You should not have to live in fear. Happiness is the best gift and that is what you should have. You deserve it don't you?
@ongtina (1232)
• Singapore
19 Dec 09
How did you come to think he has some insecurity issues? Actually I too think that way. I guess it's because I am 9 years younger and more educated than him. Therefore for many years I tried to let him feel more secure, like not going out to work and be dependant upon him, not going out much or talk/friend people, not contacting friends much, reporting to him and letting him know as much of what or where I've been/doing. I give him freedom to go anywhere and to whatever time he likes but does not insist on having mine. I don't question him on who he had been with but would answer his question, even to who I'm talking to on the phone. I did questioned him why after so many years he still doesn't trust me and he's my only man/love. He said I'm too simple and easily lead astray (an easy prey). What a joke.
@carmenvj (61)
• United States
19 Dec 09
Hi Ontinga
How did I know your husband may have some insecurity issues? Usually people who are very controlling and very demanding are also dealing with a insecurity problem. I hope you find happiness in your marriage. You deserve it and I can see that you are a good person:)
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
18 Dec 09
I am sorry that this is what you are subjected to
Your Husband is being very unfair to you as he is not letting you have freedom at all, why should you be treated like a child
I really do not know what you can do as you say discussing it is not an option, there is only one way out of this at the sounds of things and that is get your Freedom back but that is a choice you have to make
@cobradene (1171)
• India
21 Dec 09
Maybe your husband is insecure or he likes to control everything. Pride of your relationship is important and both must have a mutual feeling towards each other. But I don't know why he doesn't like it.
I used to play a lot of games on my mobile phone and my girlfriend didn't like it at all, and she used to somehow show her frustration and literally irritate me a lot whenever I was on it. She didn't like me playing games on my comp either and she used to throw a lot of negative energy around and that would create fights between us also.
But what to do... Some people just can't stand it if their partners are having their own space off for a while and spending some time with themselves. But that's not healthy. Partners should allow each other some space, and allow them to do what they like, but if it gets too much in the way of their relationship, then they should be reminded that they are ignoring other duties... But as long as it's harmless, it's good. But it's good to spend a little time away from each other and keep your minds busy with something else for a while... Too much of each other can also make you feel exhausted.
You need to maintain your pride for sure, but still, you have to compromise a few things to keep love moving on. So, I stopped playing games totally on the computer because of my girlfriend and I am totally fine with it now.
But did you find out the reason why he doesn't like you chatting on the computer?
@ongtina (1232)
• Singapore
21 Dec 09
I agree totally with you. The negativity irritates me and yes i'll have to accomodate to carry on the "love". LOL. He doesn't like me chatting on the com cos he doesn't like me befriending others. It had been this way since I knew him. But that's on face to face, I didn't expect he's still the same even for virtual world.
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
18 Dec 09
Hi Ongtina,I answered to one of your earlier discussions. I think that it takes two to keep the peace in a relationship. In your case, it sounds very one-sided. Your husband sounds very controlling almost to the point of abusive. Certainly very disrespectful. I don't beleive that anyone can change anyone else. I think the only thing you can change is your own situation. If it were me, I'd be stashing that weekly allowance that he gives you and be saving to get out of that situation. Do you love him? Do you feel love back from him? I don't know...it just sounds like a really unhappy setup and not one that I can imagine anyone wanting to spend their life in.
@ongtina (1232)
• Singapore
19 Dec 09
I agree that at times it gets very disrespectful. Like what you suggested, I do try to stash some allowance aside but it's difficult when the amount is just enough. He knows how to calculate too. This is why I'm trying to make my financial freedom online, but without knowledge, it's also difficult. I'm learning. This is for fallback. I know I'll definitely leave if he's having an affair but now, it's only his male ego problem.
@shonepen007 (111)
• India
18 Dec 09
I'm sorry to hear about your husband's attitude..You know..,some men are very egoists and they have very much pride for what they are doing and what they should do..These kind of people will try to dominate their family or relatives..There will not happen anything if you go with the flow and if you try to react or show your pride,,there may be a chance of a clash..So please try to avoid clashes..Try to make him understand in a friendly that you are not feeling good in his attitude..If its very complex try to consult a psychologist or family councilor..I hope your problem will get solved soon..Take Care..
@good2go2001 (915)
• United States
18 Dec 09
My husband is same way too always has to have everything his way. Hes bipolar so very difficult person to deal with. I too just go along just so theres less fighting in the house because its not good for the kids. After going alone with everything he wants for so many years 22 years of it....its left me feeling empty and now i want something more. Honestly after youve lived in a one sided relationship and always giving and never getting the things you need emotionally you wont want to be in the relationship anymore. Wish i could help ya but im in same boat:(
@ongtina (1232)
• Singapore
19 Dec 09
Brace up. I'm married 20 years and yes sometimes do feel empty like my life is wasted.But thinking back, we've already used 20 years to keep the marriage so why give up now? I am somewhat enlightened with some responses that I got here. Would be trying. You might like to see the response above yours.
@myramae19 (667)
• Philippines
18 Dec 09
we are on the same boat ongtina., me myself dont even have the courage to do what i want.we've been through a lot of arguments but it doesn't really help cos of his attitude,. He's responsible in other way.yes, he's also a good provider, we dont usually argue over money.its just there are thing that i want to do and he doesn't allow it at all.so i always do as told to maintain harmony.
Merry christmas!
@ongtina (1232)
• Singapore
18 Dec 09
Merry Christmas to you. I believe what we are doing is right . Harmony is important and feels better than we arguing and creating unhappiness. Afterall, love is giving, right? There are other time for our own interest, let's plan our timing to include everything and be happy. :)cheers