christmas (tat) number 9 - all the lies

@jb78000 (15139)
December 19, 2009 7:37am CST
there are all kind of lies and according to a study (which i'd have to fish out to get the exact figure) the number we all tell each day runs well into double figures. at this time of year there seems to be even more told. of course some are necessary and just basic tact - there is no need to be brutally honest with your granny about what you really think of that jumper she knitted you. there are others of convenience - for example not telling somebody that their present is recycled or claiming urgent commitments in order to escape from the inlaws early. one that i am not too keen on is lying to children. based on my own memories i would rather know that my presents came from my parents, who i loved, rather than a fictional, child based demi-god figure. of course the later disillusionment is not going to cause any child serious difficulties but i think a certain trust might be lost. so over the festive period what lies do you regularly tell and what is your opinion on convincing children of the existence of santa? obligatory song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wwttxW5hMg
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@Sandra1952 (6047)
• Spain
19 Dec 09
Hello, Judith. Well, I did the Santa thing with my kids when they were little, mainly because it was expected. And I used to enjpoy the sherry we left out for Santa. One year, when there was a particularly aggressive campaign about drink driving, the kids said perhaps we should leave milk for Santa, as they didn't want him arrested for being drunk in charge of a sleigh. I'm afraid I was really naughty, and told them that Santa only goes to houses where sherry is left out for him, and anyway, he's magic so he never gets drunk on the sherry - it's like us mere mortals drinking water. A couple of years later, my son became a bit cynical about Santa and I levelled with him and said yes, it was Mum and Dad who brought the presents, but did he really want to spoil things for his younger sister, and shouldn't we let her believe in Santa for a while longer? Well, they always wrote a letter to Santa, so I wasn't expecting one from David. However, he'd written, 'Dear Santa, I'm 8 now, and I don't really believe you exist, but I'm writing this letter so my sister can still believe in you. I know it's Mum and Dad who really bring the presents.' Then at the bottom, he said, 'Just in case Mum has got it wrong, I'd really like a bike this year. I hope you can manage it, and that the reindeer work well tonight.' Talk about hedging your bets! I don't think it did the kids any harm - it's nice for them to believe in make believe as part of their childhood. But that's just me being an old softie.
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• United States
19 Dec 09
I'm with Sandra...I did it for the extra cookies and milk.
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• Spain
19 Dec 09
I never thought of that, but I can see how a young child's mind could work on it. I can remember my mother saying to keep the doors closed, to keep out the draughts. In my mind, I built up the draughts into some kind of monsters who'd come and murder us in our beds, until I plucked up the courage to ask Mum about it. She was horrified when she realised how frightened I was.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
19 Dec 09
Why Virginia, there is TOO a santa. And that clashy patchy glaring sweater granny knit is TOO beautiful on you. And you of all people know that come spring, the easter bunny is TOO real and true blue.
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• Australia
19 Dec 09
I am shattered! There is no blue bunny? I never believed in santa but I thought the blue bunny was REAL!
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Dec 09
hi peaceful right at least the bunny is real an also a lovely blue color he hel
@jb78000 (15139)
19 Dec 09
hiya - do both of you know that i am not really a rabbit? or blue?
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@max1950 (2306)
• United States
19 Dec 09
did you say demi god ??? well arent you a merry person, yeah lets not let our children have something other children believe in this time of year so they can be ridiculed by other children because some parent has a problem with christmas, who's next ?????? the easter bunny.
@jb78000 (15139)
19 Dec 09
this is a bit tongue in cheek max. you seem to be taking it a bit seriously.
• Spain
19 Dec 09
Hey max, lighten up. Judith's just acting devil's advocate here to see what we think. It reminded me of when my kids were young, so it's a great discussion idea. Thanks, Judith.
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@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
20 Dec 09
Hi Max, this is pe you know, all sacrelige to easter bunnies, american politics, royal wasters of spaces, christmas and santa encouraged. We call it the Great British satire. What on earth sort of place are you living in if the children are ridiculed by other children for not believing that Santa is just some fat guy from the post office dressed in a red dress. Just because some children are too bright to accept that kind of lies means they aren't conforming to political correctness, please.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
22 Dec 09
Hi there little bunny, I don't agree with the lying about Santa either. It's a pretty cool story for sure and one that my kids just loved. I did let my oldest daughter believe in Santa for a while but quickly learned the error of my ways when she compared herself to some her wealthier friends and wondered if she had really been so bad. They'd gotten all the things on their list and she did not. I came clean with her on the truth right then and there. My other 3 kids were not led to believe that lie and I think it was all for the better. I love your all your little Christmas tats by the way.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
22 Dec 09
If you teach your kids to have realistic expectations of what or how much they can put on their lists (if you do lists at all), that can alleviate a lot of problems and stress that some people have when their kids simply believe they can ask for the moon and dad will pluck it out of the sky. I think that's the real problem here, and it even starts young with some kids. They want EVERYTHING and since they often GET everything to the great stress and worry of their parents, they continue to expect everything, which just makes it worse.
@jb78000 (15139)
22 Dec 09
that is not really very sensible - and it means that these children are going to grow up thinking everything will just come to them, leading to some great disappointments later on i imagine.
@jb78000 (15139)
22 Dec 09
hello little sid. i can see that if children are led to believe the presents depend solely on behaviour then they could feel guilty at not getting everything they asked for. on the whole i agree that it is better to be open and honest with children, although some of these stories do seem to be usually pretty harmless. thankyou for liking the tats - i've finished them now (i've done 10 of the 12 tats of christmas, couple of others did the other two).
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
21 Dec 09
We told them about Santa and when they didn't believe any more, we didn't push the issue. That's about it...
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
22 Dec 09
Oh just silly little ones about lumps of coal and such.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
22 Dec 09
LOL! I told my daughter if she was bad that I was going to break santa's gps and he couldn't find our house....
@jb78000 (15139)
21 Dec 09
i think that is what lots of parents do. anyway what lies do you regularly tell round about this time?
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• United States
19 Dec 09
I tell my children about Santa Claus with a clear conscience, because I still believe in Santa Claus and get gifts from him. In our family, Santa Claus represents or personifies the spirit of giving, so we can believe in "him" our whole lives, because we believe that giving to others makes everybody happy. I do not think that is bad, or even a lie, although the label of Santa Claus might be fictional. We all still get stockings from Santa Claus that are filled with small presents, which are bought by all the adults for each person and then just wrapped in Santa Claus wrapping paper and put in the appropriate stocking. This is a tradition that has been passed down in our family, and I think it is one of the best traditions that we have.
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• United States
19 Dec 09
Pleeze, no biggie words in front of my tiny brain. It clouds an already skewed understanding, dear Judith.
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@jb78000 (15139)
19 Dec 09
hey - another pratchett fan
@jb78000 (15139)
19 Dec 09
oh i like that attitude - so santa is just an anthropomorphic personification of giving rather than a real entity? nice one
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Dec 09
jb ye old blue bunny oh yes over all this hoopla christmas season I smile and when asked how are you, I lie, oh I am fine, over and over, how is your Christmas, great wonderful, liar me. No I am not really fine and my Christmas time is not really wonderful at all,not when I am not where I want to be, and my son out of work.no I am not happy happy happy at all. sweet little lies is right. no I do not think we should really push this Santa Claus thing at all. Really it is not SantaClaus day it is the day we honor Christs birth. Some little white lies may really be kind as like not telling your best friend when she asks if you like here new outfit, oh that stinks. I want to keep my best friend, so I say instead I like that color on you, and that is the truth, I just omitted the part about liking the outfit.well the color dis look good on her but the style did not. So my lies now during this Christmas season are just to assure others that I am happy,happy, oh so happy. and I think Yuck.
@jb78000 (15139)
19 Dec 09
again i am really sorry about the christmas you are having hatley
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
22 Dec 09
Generally if I am not happy, people know. I don't see the purpose in lying about my contentment, security, or joy. If I am REALLY not happy, EVERYBODY KNOWS. I usually have a culprit in mind to blame too if things are really bad.... and they don't get to hide away and forget I exist. I'm loud.
@jb78000 (15139)
22 Dec 09
SO AM I! for a rabbit...
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
20 Dec 09
Well, just so you know the other side.... one can be resentful of NOT having the santa theory celebrated and enjoyed, and so in retrospect, one could decide they are DEFINITELY going to celebrate and enjoy santa so that one's child does not MISS OUT and come to have the same resentment. I mean, OBVIOUSLY as an adult, I understand that santa is not a REAL PERSON. Neither is the Easter Bunny, the tooth fairy, and other assorted figures we make up. It doesn't bother ME that adults use these in ways to enrich childrens' lives. It never offended me as a child to have a chance to believe these were figures to believe in for a certain period of time. In fact, I think it makes childhood more fun. What is childhood supposed to be if not fun? Don't tell me adulthood is fun, PARTS of it are but cripes, the responsibility.... To me, ruining these beliefs before kids are old enough to stop believing on their own is exactly like having a bad day and telling Aunt Rita that you really HATE the sweater and telling your coworker that you re-gifted whatever you gave them. It's rude and unnecessary - but a lot of people think it's KIND to be truthful. That's not the type of truth that was meant. Oh, as for lies I regularly tell? Maybe that I'm busy when I'm actually not. It cannot be proven or disproven, plus my idea of busy may be different than someone else's idea of busy. Since it's perception, just like opinion, it cannot really be right or wrong, so it's not actually a lie. I think maybe I also tell people that I don't mind or I have time - when I do mind or I don't have time - but it depends who I'm talking to. There are times when the other person really needs my time, so I will say I don't mind or have time because I realize they need me then more than I need space....
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
22 Dec 09
I don't feel bad about saying I'm busy - whether I am or not. I'm not a guilty conscience/complex kind of person anyway, I leave that to catholics and doormats . If anybody checks up on me, I always AM busy, so anybody who doesn't believe me usually feels they owe an apology lol.
@jb78000 (15139)
20 Dec 09
hiya, well i don't actually think there is any harm in it, not sure that i'd encourage children to believe this but never mind. anyway, the 'i'm busy' excuse is one i think lots of us use sometimes. it might be a bit deceitful but it isn't exactly a lie because we always have things we could be doing so perhaps it is just a slight exaggeration...
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@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
19 Dec 09
I used to tell the Santa fib when my kids were young, but like most fibs, it got found out. I used to enjoy the holiday vicariously through them, but as they got older I started to feel more melancholy & hypocritical...which led to banishment of the it on the whole. No tree. No lights. No stockings. I still get the kids small gifts, because it sucks not getting ANYTHING when everyone around you is profiting wildly. Happy Festivus!
@jb78000 (15139)
19 Dec 09
how old are your children now?
@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
19 Dec 09
17 and up
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
19 Dec 09
Hi jb, well Thea junior never believed in santa for a moment,or the tooth fairy, or god, or any other of these fictional characters, so I never needed to go round telling lies. I suppose I'll do the lying about food being delicious when it isn't and forced on me, and I won't tell them the truth that I've wrapped it up to dispose of it, fed a plant or chucked it over the nearest wall. That would be bad manners.
• Australia
19 Dec 09
Revolting food becomes an "interesting flavour" which isn't a lie, but has the secret interpretation "How on earth did you make it taste so bad?" Alternatively, it is "very filling" which is secretly interpreted "I'm finding it difficult to swallow another mouthful"
@jb78000 (15139)
19 Dec 09
lying about revolting food being nice is just good manners
@jb78000 (15139)
19 Dec 09
those are both very good. i tend to use 'very filling' because i think some people realise what 'interesting' means...