Science is easy to believe, but God is not easy?
By TerribleMan
@TerribleMan (579)
India
December 19, 2009 8:42pm CST
Do you ever wonder thi strange thing in the planet where peope o easily believes in science, whtever science says, but hav very much dificulty believig inthe glorious, resplendent God, who is the creator of universe?
In my opinion, science is a fairy tale, God is a truth. Evolution is myth and creation is the fact. Science is nothing in front of God. What science discover is definitely nothing when compared to the entire unieverse. But people says science is everything. But science is only a story. But the truth has been revealed to us trough the prophets. Any scientifc that is in tune with the scripture could be true but any socalled scientific which is not in tune with scripture that is the glory of the Lord, cannot be considred a fact. It all depends on the wisdom of God. Not possible for us to fool God because he watches eacha nd every of our action.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
20 Dec 09
Well, science is something we can demonstrate with predictable resluts and emphirical physical evidence. Religion is a matter of faith and believing that which cannot be physicly reproduced and demontsrated based on emphirical physical evidence and repeatable results.
Now, another angle of looking at it. Who are we to say god does not use the physics we are now smart enough to undestand as his mechanism for doing what he does. Could evolution and things like DNA not have been a mechanism of god's to create life? Could the big bang/expansion not have been god's mechanism for bringing the universe in to creation? Could atoms not be god's building blocks for his creating matter? Could the energy such as gravity, radiation, electromagnatism not be god's mechanisms for controlling and shaping the universe he created?
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@matsulori (269)
• United States
21 Dec 09
xfahctor, that was extraordinarily well-said, and not such a bad idea. Very thought-provoking. Thank you. :)
@starsailover (7829)
• Mexico
20 Dec 09
Hi xfahctor: I endorse your position and i also want to add that i can not understand why people talk about science and religions as enemies. This should not be like this. There must be a point where science and religion should be conciliated because their objectives even if there are some discussions in their explanation is to build a better world for us and to discover the answers we need. Thanks for making this statement. Hope you are having a nice day.
-Alvaro.
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@PastorP (1170)
• United States
20 Dec 09
Greetings TerribleMan. When I was a little boy, before I committed my life to Christ, I wanted to be a scientist--a research chemist in fact. Then, I thought science had all the answers. That was in the 1950's and 60's. Penicillian (oh how do you spell it), Salk Polio vaccine, rockets, nuclear energy -- lots of things dazzled my mind.
After coming to Christ, my spiritual eyes were opened. Also, as time progressed, I found science kept changing its answers and theories. Here are some examples:
Back then, eggs were good to eat. A few years later, bad to eat. Now--eat them in moderation.
1988- administer Calcium chloride for Electromechanical Disassociation (Cardiac) -- 1989, don't administer it.
1967 - An ice age is coming around 2015--- 2009 global warming is going to get us!
Early 1900s--aircraft will never exceed the speed of sound---some decades later, there's supersonic flight.
Aye, just give me God through Christ. He does not change!
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@GADHISUNU (2162)
• India
20 Dec 09
Pastor, to disbelieve Science just because its answers keep changing lies, I must say,in human insecurity with change. I would say at best, too frequently changing Scientific Pronouncements happen mainly, and more often, in what I would call the fuzzier sciences like the Life and Behavioral for instance, but such changes are few and far between in the physical sciences. The limitations and the need to go through and error-and-correction process in sciences is because of the finite nature of the comprehending Nature through the Human Intellect, the compulsion get reductionist in sifting fact from preconceptions, and not of Knowledge itself.
@suchadazzy (119)
• Philippines
20 Dec 09
There is nothing wrong with Science as long as it correspond to the Law of God's harmony that everything is well. God is the all power while science follow it's own laws or principles under God's unchanging Love.
@GADHISUNU (2162)
• India
20 Dec 09
One need not believe in Science. One could verify the veracity of the statements either by logic or experiment or both. It takes belief only to accept that God exists and must be sought. The benefits of taking to Science are immediate and tangible, whereas that of "belief" in God are not necessarily tangible. Even when something tangible happens subsequent to one's placement of faith (belief) in God, most people will help you to rationalize what happened.
Science is a fairy tale is an extreme position to take. Of I do agree there are fairy tale like things in Science too, like as you have pointed out the concept of Evolution, the once-upon-a-time existence of unwieldy beings like Dinosaurs. But not all Science is fairy tale. The truth of Ohm's Law id immediate.Newtons Laws do help you to design and work automobiles, braking systems and what not. Electricity and Magnetism are slightly tougher to "believe", and the Atomic and Nuclear Physics much more but all that can be comprehended by extending the methods of Experiment and Logic. There are Fairy Tales in Physics too. Presently the Theory of Everything is one such. But you see just as in Life fairy tales could come true in Physics too.
But faith in God must happen. There are only two ways that it could be induced. Brainwashing or conditioning impressionable minds or allowing it to grow by itself on mature, questioning minds. The first one is the only way a human being could accomplish this. The second must can happen only by His Grace! Infinite Grace at that!
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@PastorP (1170)
• United States
20 Dec 09
GADHISUNU, you really have some good points here. I especially agree with that last paragraph. That is very good point and so true. The thing is though, the faith in God induced by brainwashing is saving faith. The latter that you mentioned is.
You wrote...
One could verify the veracity of the statements either by logic or experiment or both.
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@starsailover (7829)
• Mexico
20 Dec 09
Hi terrible man: I think your position through science is very radical. I respect the work of scientist because i think it's a hard work and they have to study for years and even if some scientist are atheists they generally work for the sake of the humanity and they have their own points of view that deserve respect as much as our own values. I don't think it's ok to say that a person's beleives are a myth and then asking for respect. I'm a Christian, I beleive in God and the Holy Bible and I try my best to follow Jesus words but at the same time people has their own right to beleive whatever they want, to chose their salvation or not. I needed to make this clarification. Even with that i congratulate you for your faith. Thanks for sharing with us your opinion. Hope you are having a nice day.
-Alvaro.
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@clearbook (69)
• Philippines
22 Dec 09
You have a nice opinion. I too believe there is no conflict about God's creation and science.Everything that happened are happened scientifically with God's power. Our unlimited minds are the cause of conflicts.. God bless you!
@snafushe (791)
• Canada
20 Dec 09
Okay, that is your opinion and I respect that. I can't say I think you have a high intelligence level from what you just stated, but that is all good. Religion is for the weak. For the people that need something to hold onto because they don't have anything better in their life. If their was a god do you think the world would be how it is, like really do you? Science is proven through studies,data,information,experiments, and testing all of these over and over again until they are proven. Religions rely on revelation where as science relies on observable,repeatable experiences, things that can be proved right in front of you. Science is fact, where as religion is based off belief, which differs with everybody. So what would you believe, one thing that doesn't change or something that changes from person to person. Has anyone watched the movie Zietgeist? Or Angels & Demons, or the Davinci Code? Why do you think the Catholic church used to persecute scientists? Because they were threatened.
@voldrox (7191)
• India
20 Dec 09
hi there, well we all have been given freedom to believe what we want to, i respect what you believe but except for this one comment you just made, i don't agree to that and i don't think you have any right to say that way either, if you believe that then please keep it yourself snafushe i don't mind you thinking that way but i am sorry to say you think that is actually right ; Religion is for the weak. For the people that need something to hold onto because they don't have anything better in their life.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
3 Jan 10
For the ones who find science easy but not G-d are people who need proof before they can believe anything. to be religious , you Must have faith in the message. The message may nt be able to be proven by experiments. I like to mix religion and science together. In other words G-d started the evolution of the earth.
@cobradene (1171)
• India
25 Dec 09
There is no God,
There is no religion, no faith
There is no prayer, no worship
There is no devotion, no devotee
There is no ritual, no worship
There is no meditation, no practitioner
There is no Guru, no disciple
There is no I, no you
Only thing if there is, it's nothing.
Everything is in the void. Everything comes from the void and dissolves back into the void. That's all we need to know. If we go back to the point of nothingness, there will be no need to believe in God, or believe if God exists or not. We will just learn to understand and see God in all beings and feel compassion for them.
@michaeldadona (5684)
• Malaysia
20 Dec 09
The main thing now, without scientific proves God isn't great because God cannot be materialized. As a proof, the same person said 'I believe God', the same person also said 'I am afraid of Ghost'. Why a person who has said 'I believe God' cannot visit a graveyard alone in the middle of the night? They said God is the greatest and will able to help them in split second!!! Meaning that, God is human creation.
@PastorP (1170)
• United States
20 Dec 09
Greetings michaeldadona. Do not discredit God due to human frailties. No human is perfect.
And, God most certainly has "materialized," numerous times. There are a number of records of this in the Old Testament. He had been seen via the Messiah (Christ).
And God is not a human creation. That is exactly what the enemy (satan) wants us to think.
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@michaeldadona (5684)
• Malaysia
20 Dec 09
You too, cannot discredit human's belief. Satan also a human creation. You refer to others journals, things you never profoundly found it. It is not easy to tell what is red to a blind person by birth. You only belief because of the spoiled-kid syndrome.
@cannibal (650)
• India
20 Dec 09
You might be right in saying that people blindly believe all the claims of science even if it is irrational.
But hey, that is far better than the religious nutcases like you. You believe blindly the scriptures even without caring for a while whether or not it makes sense. At least the science junkies have objective evidences for some of their postulates. What about you?
Most importantly, there isn't anything fishy and unreasonable with science compared to your religions since no scientific 'scripture' says that "Believe me or else suffer eternally." You probably can't conceive how ridiculous religions sound because of such assertions!
Ask your God to land up on the earth and give a clear-cut, irrefutable proof of his existence. Not mere scribblings on sub-standard books. Or ask him to suggest a suitable way to verify his claims at least subjectively. (by say, mysticism)
Rest in your post are mere ramblings coupled with your sick beliefs. Happy hallucinations!
@TerribleMan (579)
• India
20 Dec 09
The last scripture we sys the Al-Quran is definitely making sense. So does bible and several other scriptures. There is lots of sense and even the proofs. the scripture itself is one of the proofs God's existence. But tht is not all. Surely God is not unjust. Satan is unjust. That is why God had kicked Satan out of the paradise. Satan is enemy of God and the day is very fast coming when Satan will be uttrly defeated and he wil fall on ground. On tht day, thre will great rejoicing, merriment and laughter.
Scien does not say to believe but scienc progressed nuclear weapons which now is very dangerous and we alo see the environment degradation. But i not says all science is bad. Scripture also contains the scientific fact and there are also other facts. But not evrythign science is true. But in Al Quran, everyhing s true and it is far greater than science becaus God himself revealed the information to Hazrat Muhammad. Adn theere have been other prophets also like Abraham, Moses, Jesus. And Jesus is going to come soon. That day is nearing. Hell is not for us to be afraid of rather, be afraid of science. Be afraid of nuclear and environmental degrada. Hell is not for those who are pur in heart. jesus said 'Blessed are the poor in heart, they shall see God'. This life in our planet is for us a test. The result is heaven or hell. And God is the final decision-maker.
The proof you see of God, is there all ovr world. U se his handiwork in each place such as the sun, moon, stars, oceans, trees. Why ask proof of God's existence? is i not far wiser to ask proof of God's non-existence? God is the loving and compassionate and he waits in heaven to embrace us. It is is desire we do good and be pure. God wants to dine and rejoice with us. God is great and mighty and he takes care of evrything like he gave air to brathe, water to drink , food to eat. See how he designed the human body,. Forget about universe, just see your wondreful body. What more proof is required?
We cannot question God asking him to come to earth. We are his children and w be obediet. Disobedience and rebelliousness God does not like. Surrender to God with all your heart and you wil see moe tham clear-cut evidence. God loves you with all his heart/ Al Quran says to submit to the will of Allah, kneel in front of Allah. In Bible Jesus sasy 'Hear O Israel! This he greatest comandment. You shall love your Lord God with all your might, all your hearta nd all your soul.' just like, we also have to love our fellow humans, regardless of race , colour and gender. tey are aour brothers.
Sure, there has been fanatic believers. But who to blame? We cannot blame like that. Human nature itself is sinful. See not only
@TerribleMan (579)
• India
20 Dec 09
Not only the religion, but also in education, politica etc.. we see bad things, coruption. But which person says 'Politics is corrupt. So, let thee be no poltics, no governemnt'. Definitely, these are the necessities for civilization. these is required and is religion required. God has proved himself time and time again. Even before we have asked for the proof, he has proved himself.
but anyway, ther is nothing to worry. these are the last days. the day is approaching when the Anti-christ will atatack with very great ferocity. Rocks will roll and entire oceans will start roaring. peopl willl run hither and thither. But thsi is not the end. God will sen Jesus to fight with the evil one an there shall be a very great battle, lookin at which even the most stone-hearted people will tremble.
O God, O Creator of the universe! have mercy on the sinful souls, that is, all of us onthis planet! may thy name be exalted! Glory be to thee!
@matsulori (269)
• United States
21 Dec 09
God is MUCH easier to believe in. You don't have to EXPLAIN anything; just say "it's god's will," and you're done, or say "that's the way god WANTS it to be," and you're done. Instead of the scientific approach where you don't get to say ANYTHING unless you have empirical proof, and can prove it over and over and over again, when ANYONE can prove it over and over and over again and come up with the same answer. THAT'S hard. Whenever something bad happens, religious people are quick to say, "it was god's will," but no one can say what god's will IS.
And the bible IS wrong. According to the bible, the earth is flat, and has four corners. The bible says the earth is the center of the universe. The bible says the sun and moon and planets revolve around the earth. So, according to you, if the bible is NEVER WRONG, how can this be? Do you believe the earth is flat? Do you believe that the sun, moon and planets -- of which, according to the bible, there are only 7 -- revolve around the earth?
And let's take miracles for example. You believe in miracles; right? That's the power of god right there, before everyone's eyes. Well, do you think god hates amputees? Do you think amputees are all evil? Do you think that no amputee believes in god and his power to heal everything? So why, in all this time, has god NEVER ONCE, NOT EVEN IN THE BIBLE, WHY HAS GOD NEVER HEALED AN AMPUTEE? He must really hate amputees, to not have healed a single one. What does god have against amputees? So either god is capable of indiscriminate cruelty, he doesn't care, is either powerless or not powerful enough to heal amputees, won't because he's an a**hole, or CAN'T because HE DOESN'T EXIST.
Which is it?
@clearbook (69)
• Philippines
22 Dec 09
My friend, will you please tell me the exact chapter and verse in the Bilble which tell the the earth is flat and has four corners? I'm a new christian and I found it hard to search for that verse that says the earth is flat.
@matsulori (269)
• United States
23 Dec 09
Isaiah 11:12 "...the four corners of the earth."
Revelations 7:1 "...the four corners of the earth."
Job 11:9 "The measure thereof is longer than the earth..."
Job 28:24 "...he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven."
Job 37:3 "He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth."
Job 38:4-6 look it up
I think that last one in Job is especially telling. Shall I go on, my friend :)?
@firstvitaplus2net (19)
• Philippines
20 Dec 09
GOD is everything...all creations will be vanish but not GOD because he is the alpha and the omega...
@clearbook (69)
• Philippines
22 Dec 09
I believe God created the world scientifically. God is allknowing. He knows and knew everything in us, our past present and future. Sometimes it only conflicts and many unending discussions and debates goes on because we cannot reach the real truth because our knowledge is unlimited unlike God. For me there is no conflict cause I believe God created the world scientifically magnificently. It needs only enough faith to erase the conflicts.
Some people don't believe in Noah's ark, it's only one of the stories on the Bible. It's hard to believe that those animals came in the ark by pairs. Scientifically, one behaviors of animals is that they are very sensitive if there is flood coming. So they seeked for a higher place to survive and found only the Noah's ark door. So they came in to survive.
I have gone in the Middle East and work there for several years. One time, we went to the desert and I found some shells and other sea remains in the high level desert. I realized then that there was a day that those places were once covered by water. That is a proven fact that the great flood during Noah's really exist.
@systems (459)
• India
21 Dec 09
Yes.. You can believe science easily as you get many things to prove it and you can experience most of the things..
But to believe in God, most start to believe in GOD blindly and mindlessly..
Some people believe GOD in different ways, GOD is most complicated than Science but its the simplest excuse for all the things..
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
22 Dec 09
I remember once reading in a book about psychology that as science increased, the belief in God decreased. I believe that's true. I see most people having much more faith in medicine than in the healing power of Jesus Christ, even though the Bible says, "By His (Jesus') stripes we are healed." It's especially sad when Christians doubt the word of God and choose science instead.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
23 Dec 09
I have no problem believing both God and science, especially since God is the one who created science. With both, some things can be proven and some things must be taken on faith. Why the world of science condemns religious faith but accepts scientific faith is what puzzles me.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
23 Dec 09
I would suggest that all science supports Biblical truth. I have yet to see any real science that disproves the Bible.
There is such a thing as 'fake' science. We see that all the time.
Specifically evolution is not science. We have nothing that really shows one form of life, changing into another. In fact we have fewer examples of possible "missing links" today than when Darwin was writing his book.
When you have no evidence, and only unsupportable theories, that's not science. Science is demonstrable, measurable, testable results. Can you test evolution? Show any form of life changing into another? A bird into a fish?
Of course not. So in reality, evolution is more like 'faith' than it is 'science'.
@lynkshadow (299)
• Canada
25 Dec 09
Your question is biased because you start off praising the god you believe in. But science can be tested so maybe that is why it is easier to believe in. Without science the computer that you typed this discussion on and submitted would not exist. So you are actually using science to say it is a fairy tale. How ironic.