Time to go back to old fashioned whippings?

Kids these days are brats and they do think they can get away with whatever they want. Maybe you should buy yourself a big dog for your yard, that might slow them brats down a little

I gave a big dog some thought.I may do that.I agree.Thanks

Just make sure you chain it up or whatever else the local laws require you to do. Then if the dog bites one of them brats it will be their fault and not yours

These so called experts are only expert at one thing and that is making money by selling their ideas to people. They have ruined our society and they don't care, they made their money and are happy. If you punish a child and they continue to misbehave, then it might be time to seek some professional help. Parenting is hard enough without making it impossible to truly discipline a child.

I'm sorry, but me and my bleeding heart liberal buddies are here to stay I would think that, by now, the cycle should have returned to the spanking parents but I guess not. I don't recall my fellow hippies being afraid to smack their kids so it must have come from the kids of hippies Them elf boots were a tad tight, but these fancy shoes are okay for now

Frank I want my boots back! LOL They fit ME just fine. ..............ROFL Boo----you rock! I couldn't have said it better!

I hope this doesn't ruffle feathers (but if it does oh well) but one of the problems you just nailed on the head. We need a return to basics and NUCLEAR FAMILIES and lines drawn and not crossed. Boundaries. Few rules but NON NEGOTIABLE. EVER. I am so sick and tired of seeing kids who are being raised by multiple families, where way too many adults seem to have some sort of 'say' in how they are raised. Kids should first and foremost be raised by their parents, whether they are the natural biological parents, adoptive parents, or they receive custody some other way, but I'm talking about one mother and one father, OR one mother OR one father. There is too much of this other people being involved crap, which means too many people with some sort of vested interest in the children. I believe in 'our family, our business' and if you aren't actually part of the immediate family, butt out unless you were invited. There is a lot of undermining that goes on when too many responsibilities are shared, as well as young parents who are lazy and decide to let THEIR PARENTS do the dirty work, which leads to an even bigger breakdown of things, as well as kids pitting all the adults against each other or manipulating them to get what they want. Kids also need to know - you don't GET EVERYTHING. That isn't life. If you aren't willing to work hard or work smart, you don't get anything, really. That's a good lesson for parents these days to teach kids. If you aren't willing to do anything, then you don't get anything.... but if you are, the sky's the limit!

And herein lies the problem. You state 'and if I find a method that works, what good is it if the schools don't condone it? I can manage my kids at home. But w/out me at school with them to enforce the same method, there is no consistency and therefore unfortunately the school gets the worst of the behavior.' This is why I think it is very important for parents to remember that we have a LOT of different forms of discipline, punishment, behavior modification, and learning opportunities at our disposal. Just because people talk so much about spanking, grounding, timeouts and the like, does not mean THOSE are the ONLY forms available. The key point here is that you want your children to learn how to control their behavior and act in positive rather than negative ways - not necessarily to not ever be angry or disappointed or disagree with others but not to have a tantrum, hit people, throw things, scream, or otherwise act inappropriately, right? The importance is consistency, not necessarily ONE sole way of discipline. If you are worried about your kids misbehaving whenever you are not with them, then you need to examine your forms of discipline when they are with you. They need to be learning that they need to control themselves period, not 'just with my mom in sight' or 'just so I don't get spanked'. See what I mean? If a form of discipline is actually effective, it will create the desired behavior from a person - in ALL areas of life, regardless of who they are with or the temptations that occur. Believe me, there are times when I wonder if other people don't get the brunt of my son's 'bad day' because he argues with me or doesn't do what he's supposed to, but when I hear from my friend that he's a good babysitter and he cleaned up her house and played wtih the kids outside and made them lunch and made sure they put on jackets or picked up their shoes, I am full of pride.

It's really too bad that we did away with allowing schools to swat their students. I got swatted with wooden paddles while going to school and it really made me think about just how much misbehaving I wanted to do after that

Yep, it IS bull! It's sad when we, as a society, feel compelled to call the police in order to get children to behave properly. It's no wonder all the jails are full, people just didn't teach their children anything much at all

I have NO problem with some form of discipline happening for misbehavior at school - removal from class, missing the class time and thus the assignment and not being allowed to make it up, detention, in-house suspension, suspension, etc as well as things like having a conference, having mom go sit in your classes all day etc and embarrass you - but I am not okay with any teacher or admin swatting any of my kids. Trust me, if they did something wrong, there will be consequences at school AND consequences at home, but neither consequence is going to involve physical punishment, especially not from someone other than me. If it would ever happen at all, it would be from us - the parents - and if we don't, then nobody else will either. I can't understand why so many people are thinking that no spanking or physical punishment is equal to no consequences. There are always consequences and they are carried through if they are threatened. The kids KNOW in advance - so if they make a wrong choice, they also know the consequences will be coming, and there's no two ways about it. I mean, it's never one of those 'oh maybe my mom will give in' or 'maybe she won't notice'. It's more or less - yeah, I'm gonna do it but I'm gonna lose my privelages so if I'm going to do something bad, it better be worth it because my parents get harder-asssed about each time....'

I certainly would not want to be a teacher in this day and age. They live a dangerous life just by going to work

I'm pleased to hear that there are still some parents that stands by their words. Yet it is amazing how many DON'T. My 15yr old has at least 5 friends I can think of off the top of my head who have no respect for even their parents. I actually had one over last night playing video games with my son talking to his mom on the phone like she was scum. I nicely went in the room asked if he was on the phone with his mom. He said yes. I then asked if he would like a bottle of dawn dish soap placed in his mouth. If he wanted to talk like that at home that was between his mother and his self, but I was not gonna stand for it in my home. You may not believe in a teacher or any school administrator touching your children and I do honestly understand. School detention and in house suspension are nothing but jokes to many of these kids anymore. It's free time out of class. No credit for assignments from my experience just gives them more of an excuse not to do any of the assigned work. Its late I'm not gonna get credit the heck with it, is many kids state of mind. That's because they have no consequence when they return home, and for most mom's its not an option to be able to sit at school with their child all day in a classroom. I remember all too well that when I got in trouble at school, I got a swat just one on the butt (unless it was sister Anthony who loved the chalkboard and pointer over the knuckles)and I knew that my mother would be called and told of the incident. That's when the real punishment began. What I got at school was nothing but embarrassment. So when all else fails the kids think its all a joke. The parents do nothing what are the schools suppose to do? Let there staff be attacked? It happens it has happened at my own children schools which have been the burbs not inner city. So it doesn't matter the economic standing it happens

A spanking has always seemed to work wonders on a kids butt It certainly worked on mine LOL

Nothing wrong with good old fashioned respect

All parents go through difficult times with their kids, just as their Mamas said they would (Just wait til you have kids!) Kids know who is in charge these days and it isn't the parents nor the schools

It's good that you live in such a place where you can actually control your children

I don't know exactly when we became so afraid of raising our kids properly. I just wish we could change things back to where they should be

There is plenty of time to be friends with your children after they grow up. When they are kids a parent should be just that, a parent, in control

I would not condone actual violence on a child but I do not consider, as many do, that a spanking is violence. A lot of people these days should not have children because they have no time to raise a family. They just don't realize how much work having children can be.

Unfortunately, too many parents do let their kids get away with murder

Seems like the pendulum is never going to swing back

My sons may like high heels but only on their wives I beat them with my hands, not the shoes! My mom used to use whatever was handy. She always liked to use our own belts. One day I wasn't wearing a belt so she picked up the first thing she could reach and beat me with the Bible Kids do have the upper hand these days which is really retarded to me

It has become a crime to punish our children and that truly is a shame. It's not good for the government to be in as much control as they are

Parents these days appear to be too busy working and commuting to and from that job to actually raise their kids. But even stay at home parents don't seem all that willing to teach their children proper manners Too many "professionals" through the years telling parents that discipline of spankings and such will damage the poor childs psyche have ruined parenting. I got lots of spankings and there's nothing wrong with me or my psyche

No, I agree. A smack or two is fine and will work wonders. Too much and going overboard will not work at all and will only get the parent into more trouble than its worth. If you can't control your kids, then perhaps you should consider giving them up to someone that will. Society really needs to take a giant step backwards on parenting