Let's Kill the Healthcare Bill
By clrumfelt
@clrumfelt (5490)
United States
December 22, 2009 7:09pm CST
In addition to writing/calling your Congresspersons, there is an online petition at
http://www.firedoglake.com where you can sign and express your thoughts on the healthcare bill.
If you are not in favor of the health care catatastrophe Congress is trying to pass, go there and speak up.
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7 responses
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
23 Dec 09
Speaking as a Canadian who is covered by Government Health Care (and loves it) you will be killing your fellow Americans if you kill this bill. Whats wrong with you guys? The Insurance Companies are milking you dry and you don't seem to mind? We Canadians are not at all enamored with Insurance. We don't like to be gouged! How can you sit there and allow Millions of your Fellow Citizens to go broke, and lose everything they own, and die within sight of the hospital, while you whine about the new Health Care Bill?
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
23 Dec 09
I think America has more illegals than Canada has citizens. And we definitely have more unemployed than Canada has citizens. These are people NOT contributing to the tax pot but still receiving medical care.
In short: Cananda with the US's circumstances would go bankrupt 10-times over trying to implement universal healthcare. And like what's stated above me, most don't even know what's in the bill yet they still support it with the hyperbole of people dying in the streets if something isn't done. Ridiculous.
I'm glad so many people are willing to think only the best of America's crooks we have in government and blame everything on private industry. Just, please, stay up there with that way of thinking. We have enough down here willing to throw their hands up in their air and allow government to completely control our lives.
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
23 Dec 09
Barehugs
May I be so bold as to ask how often you use your health care and for what?
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
23 Dec 09
opalina, since you speak as if to be knowlegable on this, I am assuming you have read the latetest version of the bill, which is quite a feat since
a. its over 2500 pages long
b. it hasn't been released for public viewing yet.
But lets assume the latest version including amendments has been available online to read for the sake of argument. Perhaps you could post some of the relevent text from the sections you think are beneficial and will improve the ability of people to pay for their healthcare. Not party talking points, I want bill text and explanations from you on what the portion of text acomplishes.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
24 Dec 09
I am a Canadian and I think our experience with long waiting lists, not being able to get an operation because one is too old, not being able to get the best medicine or prescription for your condition because either you have an orphan disease or there is a cheaper alternative that does not work as well should have warned them There is the experience of England and other countries, but they did not listen.
When we need a specific equipment, we have to wait in line. And I heard that the health care bill down there does not help the elderly. Why did not the ones in favor take warning? They could have fixed what was wrong, instead.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
25 Dec 09
Oh our healthcare up here is good as long as you just go for your annual checkup and they say nothing is wrong and if you are in the right age bracket and have the right favorite condition. But the doctors here are paid a set rate and guess where the good ones go to? Down to the States.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
25 Dec 09
I have seen more negative comments on MyLot from Canadians about their healthcare situation than I have positive comments.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
23 Dec 09
Well, what good are our opinions when the men and women in Congress can make a quick buck if the promise to vote a certain way? Honestly, the outcome of the whole situation is going to end up going to the highest briber...I mean "bidder".
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
25 Dec 09
I believe those Congresspersons more concerned about getting funds for their own states than they are about the will of the people concerning the healthcare bill, are going to find they can't bribe their constituents with goodies, and they will join the ranks of the unemployed come Nov. 2010 when their states vote them out of office.
@Lemon_Bay (20)
• United States
25 Dec 09
It's not going to do any good to speak up. They simply DO NOT CARE. Maybe they will when they find themselves unelected come next term, but for now they're all probably getting drunk, patting themselves on the back for a "job well done."
They screwed us and they'll find many, many ways to continue to do so.
Mr. God, Obama, must feel proud as he gets leid in Hawaii while senior face more cuts.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
23 Dec 09
It's a sham.
I understand the sentiment from regular liberal people. They don't want people to go without healthcare. They think that, as a basic human right, those that have the means to pay should also pitch in to pay for those without.
Okay, I get that. I do. But here's where they lose me: They seem to be so positive that we're (the people not supporting junk legislation) cruel, capitalist bigots, just wanting people to die. So they stand at the polar opposite, where they don't care what's in the bill, so long as they can convince themselves that more people are being cared for.
It's a back-and-forth mess. Nobody tells the truth. Nobody lets their guard down and admits to riding the fence on what to do. It's all about sides and you're this and that or they're that and this.
Here's the truth how I see it, and feel free, anybody, to amend it with yours.
Something needs to be done. Our healthcare is too expensive. Private insurance IS all about self interest and they ARE crooked. More people need to be covered. All deserve to be covered. However, thinking the government has presented 2,000 pages of insta-magic and that opposers are stupid is probably the weakest position in the history of the world. Yes. I mean that wholeheartedly.
Have supporters of this legislation convinced themselves that every fault of their party has been a lie told by the right-wing? Do supporters honestly believe that this government--the same progressives that have killed entire cities and states--is the government that wants to help people instead of control their money? Do people really think that ramming a bill that NO ONE READ down our throats at 1am and making secret, backroom deals to get it done was the only way our healthcare problem could have been tackled?
What planet am I on?
Dammit, people. If you support good changes in healthcare, demand more for your elected officials than this garbage! Demand more from yourself. If you want to feel good, like you made a difference so you can sleep better at night or get rid of your guilt, then get out there and hug somebody. Donate to charity or something. Don't live vicariously through a crooked and inept government, thinking they'll cure you of your blues and do the work so you won't have to.
Don't sign over your freedom because you're subservient to the culture of victimhood. We're Americans for f$%k's sake. We don't need government to own us and steal from us in order to fix things.
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@opalina143 (1240)
• Morristown, New Jersey
23 Dec 09
Clrumfelt, can I ask you an honest question?
Have you actually READ the health care bill? No really. Have you?
Or are you just listening to what other people say? The same people who told you there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
25 Dec 09
opal, to answer your question, no I have not read the gargantuan healthcare bill, and I doubt anyone else has. Those who will be voting on it should at least read it first, but they unfortunately have not been given time to study what they will be voting on. However, I have grown weary of watching the democrat party play badminton over the parts of the bill they are interested in, and so I feel reasonably sure that whatever those voting on the bill know, I know. And I know I don't want this box of snakes the Senate is calling a Christmas present.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
23 Dec 09
opalina, since you speak as if to be knowlegable on this, I am assuming you have read the latetest version of the bill, which is quite a feat since
a. its over 2500 pages long
b. it hasn't been released for public viewing yet.
But lets assume the latest version including amendments has been available online to read for the sake of argument. Perhaps you could post some of the relevent text from the sections you think are beneficial and will improve the ability of people to pay for their healthcare. Not party talking points, I want bill text and explanations from you on what the portion of text acomplishes.
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@gitfiddleplayer (10362)
• United States
23 Dec 09
I'd rather let the American people know who voted for it and when it came time for their re-election I would make sure they did not get back into office. Then when the GOP takes over the house and senate that a bill is passed to repeal the stupid healthcare vote. This country is ours, not theirs!
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