What makes something "good" or "bad"?

@Nameless_ (1180)
Australia
December 22, 2009 10:42pm CST
I'm sure you have all heard of ethics. But what really makes something "good" or "bad"? Is it your intentions, or is it the ourcomes? Or is "good" and "bad" just an illusion of our brains and there are only consequences and no such thing as good or bad? Please give me your opinions. :) Nameless_
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@cobradene (1171)
• India
23 Dec 09
Every action has an intention hidden behind it, and if the intention is bad, the outcome will naturally be bad, even if it's subtle. So, it's important that we always carry good thoughts in our minds, and also thoughts which are not looking after only our own selfish needs. We must try not to be self-centered. If we act or perform a duty, carrying any one of these attitudes in our minds, including jealousy or hatred or anger, obviously, we will either end up hurting ourselves or someone else for whom we are doing service or whatever... But in the end an action done with a bad intention will always have bad results. Gross or subtle.
@cobradene (1171)
• India
23 Dec 09
That's a nice argument. But, that's how karma works. You may lend money to a beggar and he may use it to drink and beat his wife. So, you are responsible for the beating of his wife? No... Anyway, he would manage to drink and beat his wife. Our intentions were good, so that somebody survives. For eg... there is a story in Hindu Mythology. There was a demonic man Bakasura who meditated for a long time and finally Lord Shiva appeared before him and asked him for a boon. He said, "I just desire that, if I place my palm on anybody's head, that person should be turned to ashes. Give me that power." Lord Shiva granted him the boon at once. So, as soon as he granted him the boon, the demonic man asked him again, "What if this boon doesn't work after you leave? Let me try it on you first". The Lord Shiva had to run for his life... Ha ha ha..! Life is like that, and it's full of mysterious experiences. That's why you must be careful before you donate your eyes. If you donate your eyes and somebody gets to see for the first time, and he gets attracted to a woman and rapes her, the karma will come to you indirectly. But the doctor had to do his job, and he did it. I agree good intentions can turn out as bad. I have also been betrayed this way many times. When friends used to get bulled or beaten up, and if I saved them out of the situation, and when I was in trouble the next time, and they never came and stood up for me. They all kept mum. But still, it's always necessary that you perform with good thoughts, and the energy of these good thoughts will surely influence the person who has been helped, like the doctor, and surely that good energy will come back as a blessing, even though for a short time, he may be affected due to the bad actions of the patient. But in the end, if the doctor had done it with good intentions, surely, he will be saved. No doubt about it. Karma doesn't work only on the physical layer, there are subtle layers also.
@cobradene (1171)
• India
24 Dec 09
I know through experience. If I do bad to somebody, I have always received bad 10 times of what I did... that's law of Karma... If I lend money to someone, or give food or whatever, I always receive something much better than what I did, and this help comes back just as a blessing in disguise. That's Karma. You need to observe the patterns of life and how things work. I know Karma exists like many others not only in Hinduism, but Buddhism also... If you meditate, and try connecting with the subtle energies of life, you will know what is God, and what is Karma... But to know what God is, you can start by believing there is no God also... I agree with you, there is no God... :-)
@PastorP (1170)
• United States
23 Dec 09
Excellent question! I would say it is best not to trust your or my brain. Go by the Holy Bible. Now, what about the things the Holy Bible does not specifically cover? I recommend reading the Holy Bible enough that its principles get into you. That will modify one's conscience so it aligns with the way God thinks. Each one of us is made in the image of God, but that image has been warped due to our sin nature. So the Holy Bible helps to correct that. Above all, Christ inside of a person, coupled with reading and following the Holy Bible, will define good and bad for us.
@Nameless_ (1180)
• Australia
23 Dec 09
Ah... that may be right... but how do you know if the Holy Bible is correct? God made these rules, we presume, but human hands wrote them down. God may as well be saying to opposite, but because of the Bible, everyone is doing the opposite. If you can convince me to believe in the Bible, then it's one point to you. :P (By the way, I'm not anti-religious or anything. Just trying to think logically. :) )
@PastorP (1170)
• United States
23 Dec 09
Greetings Nameless_ For me, I was convinced about Christ being the Savior to trust in before I was convinced the Holy Bible was correct and the standard for our lives. That does not answer your question, I just had to say that. But in answer to your question I would say perhaps two things at least: its prophecies are literally fulfilled as they come to pass and secondly there is life changing power in His Word. I'm thinking of people like Martin Luther and Nicky Cruz who were so dramatically changed by the Holy Bible. Still, it boils down to faith. After all, cults and other religions have their books. But, from the few I have seen, the Holy Bible is the most logical of them all. Regarding seeing the opposite, yes, human flesh does not want to submit to the rule of God. Getting back to how would we know if what was written in the Holy Bible is really what God wanted said, I feel the image of God within us would testify tthat His written word is true.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
23 Dec 09
Consequences will teach us all the answer to that.
@Nameless_ (1180)
• Australia
23 Dec 09
That may be correct, but the consequences are just consequences. Is it really necessary to tag a consequence "good" or "bad"? You may cut trees down. But the consequence is more carbon dioxide in the air. So what? Why is that bad? OK, so maybe you can't breathe, and there is global warming... and it harms us. But still... is that bad? Why?
• United States
23 Dec 09
I think it really depends on how we view it personally. Sometimes we can get brainwashed by society into thinking that something is one or the other when we ourselves haven't even decided yet. I think it just really depends on each person alone and how we look at everything based on our morals and ethics; what we believe in.
@Nameless_ (1180)
• Australia
23 Dec 09
Ah... OK.... So, if we believe that raping people and killing "innocent" people is right, and acceptable in our morals as we strive for a better society (by killing and bombing), then we would have done something good? What about the people and their families of whom you have killed? Nameless_
@fatih02 (39)
• Indonesia
23 Dec 09
the way you do it