Congratulations America on joining the civilised world
By urbandekay
@urbandekay (18278)
17 responses
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
24 Dec 09
I thought being part of the civilized world included having the most advanced medical equipment, the best medical technology, the best medical schools, and the most access to high end health care? That's what America has had for a while...
Congratulations America on crippling your economy, rushing an unread bill through voting, destroying the quality of health care in your country, and defying the will of the people all at once!
Hurray Obama!
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@jb78000 (15139)
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24 Dec 09
your government has plenty of rules too xfahctor - trying to work out from sarcastic caveman speech what point you are trying to make but i have a pretty good idea. trying to decided whether to make another point - oh might as well - mrniceguy why is the life expectancy in america significantly lower than that of many other developed countries?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
25 Dec 09
The reason is simple. Freedom comes with a price. that price is that people are free to do some very stupid things that may serve to shorten their lives. I could also ask why your country, the UK, ranks behind so many developed nations as well. 36th place is hardly something to brag about.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
24 Dec 09
I'm sorry, I didn't catch that. I was busy drawing pictures of sheep on the cave wall and thinking about the upcoming mammoth hunt.
@opalina143 (1240)
• Morristown, New Jersey
24 Dec 09
Well...according to a study by Harvard University, 45,000 people die a year in the us because of lack of health insurance...one every twelve minutes - and this bill will save most of them. It passed despite republican lies and fear mongering. If this had only passed five years ago, when my uninsured friend was ill with cancer and had no insurance,he may be alive today (RIP Joe)
So I am happy.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
24 Dec 09
Ah, opalina, there you are...good....perhaps you would be good enough to answer my question to you from the other thread.....I'm sure it was an oversight and not an inability to answer the question...so here it is again:
I am assuming you have read the latetest version of the bill, which is quite a feat since
a. its over 2500 pages long
b. it hasn't been released for public viewing yet.
But lets assume the latest version including amendments has been available online to read for the sake of argument. Perhaps you could post some of the relevent text from the sections you think are beneficial and will improve the ability of people to pay for their healthcare. Not party talking points, I want bill text and explanations from you on what the portion of text acomplishes.
@eddify (412)
• Pakistan
26 Dec 09
It is the need of time to provide everybody with the same health care facilities as soon as possible.
@missybal (4490)
• United States
27 Dec 09
You are quite right... and also I would say if he lived in the UK all his life and has been in good health than I guess universal healthcare may seem like a good thing. He most likely never experienced our proven better healthcare system that people from his country and many others come for that they can't get in their own.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
27 Dec 09
In all fairness to urban he may or may not feel that way. He's too ignorant to even realize that this bill doesn't provide health care for anyone, much less everyone. That means that he doesn't have the slightest idea what's in this bill. He thinks it's a universal healthcare bill.
@jb78000 (15139)
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27 Dec 09
hello missybal - well i am from the uk, have not lived here all my life, and some of my relatives have been extremely ill indeed, and looked after well. the nhs is not perfect and as i have not lived in your country (although i have lived in others where insurance was essential, and not a great system i have to say) i will not make direct comparisons but in general universal healthcare seems to me to be a fairly basic thing for a developed country. now as with everybody else in this discussion i do not know all the ins and outs of this bill (and do not particularly want to) which is why i am keeping this general.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
25 Dec 09
It's a pity you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The only thing this bill does is tell people they must BUY health care, with their own money, or be fined. Should they fail to pay that fine, they will be jailed. The government provides NOTHING with this bill. Nor is this bill even complete yet.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
26 Dec 09
"this has been rather disappointing - was expecting the fur to be flying by now. "
Well I wanted to ask if he was this premature in every aspect of his life - but he wouldn't go back under his bridge if I did that (assuming he didn't turn tail and run from the thread).
@Fortunata (1135)
• United States
29 Dec 09
Gee, urbandekay, sure hope you never get a chronic disease where ever you're at. Idiot. Oh, and we're still better than you.
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
28 Dec 09
What are you talking about? We have always provided health care for everyone, even for those who are tired of waiting for care in their own country and have to come here to get the care they need. If Obamacare passes, it is not something that we should be glad about. Our government needs to stop thinking they have the smarts to run every aspect of our lives. What does government know about running a health care system? If they run health care like they've run our public educational system, we're in big trouble. They need to butt out.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
29 Dec 09
Yes, let's be civilized like the United Kingdom and make the patients wait 18 weeks after seeing their GP before allowing them any hospital care, even if they need it as soon as possible. Or maybe, if they're old enough, we can just say, "Sorry Charlie, you're too old. We have to care for the younger folks first." Maybe we'll get lucky and the old folks will die before the 18 weeks are up.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
5 Jan 10
The United States has excellent health care too. The difference between ours and yours is that we don't have to have a catastrophic illness nor accident in order to get quick service. It is foolish for you, in the United Kingdom, to think because our government (or should I say the tax payers) isn't footing the bill, that we are uncivilized.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
27 Dec 09
If you follow the discussion on this bill it does not cover everyone, we will still have about 25 million people not covered by this bill and some parts of the country are getting different coverage than other parts.
My question is where are all the rich dictators of the world going to get their medical care no that the US has joined the rest of the civilized world and will be offering second class health care?
@jmowreader (83)
• United States
25 Dec 09
What I want is Army Healthcare For All.
If you're a soldier, the Army provides you with healthcare. You can't get anything not medically necessary--no tummy tucks, hair transplants or anything like that--but if you're sick you get a sick slip from the commander, go to the doctor, get treated and go back to work. No bills. No fighting with the insurance company. co-pays, deductibles, lifetime maximums or anything like that.
The military does this care at a reasonable cost even though it has some of the most complicated cases--combat casualties. It also treats 80-year-old colonels who were wounded in three wars and have all the diseases 80-year-olds get on top of their wounds.
I figure if Army Healthcare is good enough for the troops who protect our freedom, it's good enough for everyone.
