Are homeless people now more upperclass?

Australia
December 27, 2009 7:36pm CST
Picture this... Scenario 1: You are walking down the street and you see a homeless person. You sympathise and empathise them and decide to give them some of your change. You'll think they'll be sort of grateful though instead, they end up saying, "Sorry, i don't accept change." Scenario 2: You bought them some hot food so they won't starve and the only respond you get is, "Thanks but where's my coffee?" Scenario 3: You learnt from your mistake from scenario 1 and donate a $5-$10 note to a homeless person. Later on, you come across him/her once again and saw them taking out rolls of notes from their pocket. Depressingly, it turns out that they are richer than you. These are actual scenarios that have happened so what does it all mean? Are homeless people more upperclass?
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@xuara1 (82)
• United States
28 Dec 09
It sounds to me like all of the scenarios are cocky, selfish, and unappreciative, however, I do think I might have a further explanation for scenario 3. Perhaps the person is homeless by choice. Perhaps they like to wander, and maybe have friends where they can go and take showers and stuff, or they just plain don't shower at all! Maybe they use their fat money rolls to stay at hotels whenever they feel like they need to get clean? It could be that a person who is without a place of their own and a car, who is using public transportation or foot to travel, and is not paying rent, bills, car payments, insurance, gas, etc., is saving up their money so that they can look well off, despite the fact that they wander the streets? I'm not saying that's the case with most of them, or even all of them, but I'm sure it is for some. It may even be possible that they value food and clothing over shelter, so they take shelter in covered bus stops and similar places in order to avoid rent and reroute the budget from that into being able to survive. I couldn't imagine not having a roof over my head or clothes or food, and I am WELL below the poverty line. Both my fiance and I are on SSI, yet we still get by. I don't really know any other way to live, but maybe those people do. Either that, or maybe I'm reading too much into it. Maybe they're just a really good beggar, so people like you that give them money feel sorry for them and give them boatloads. lol I dunno really, but personally if I gave, it'd be to a shelter. Then maybe it'd go to those who really need it!
• Australia
28 Dec 09
Yeah, i agree. I can't imagine myself without a roof over my head. That is one of the fundamentalities of life, aside from food and clothing of course! Although you and your fiance are below the poverty line, it's good to hear that you can still manage to live under a proper roof. Sometimes i wish homeless people would stay at the homeless shelter instead of out on the streets.
• Australia
29 Dec 09
I think a mobile home sounds good too :) To be honest, i don't know why that lady on the bus or any other people would beg when they're not genuinely homeless. It is as if they no longer have any pride left which is kind of sad in a way. The bills might be a bit of a burden though the mobile home is a good choice in my opinion!
@xuara1 (82)
• United States
28 Dec 09
After I wrote my response to this discussion, I was reminded of a lady who used to ride the bus my mom took to work. She would go out to the highway and beg and then take the bus back to her apartment, which was in a pretty nice complex. I couldn't imagine having to drop myself to the level of begging, but I would definitely never ever do it unless there was absolutely nothing else to do. My fiance and I are even looking into possibly moving into a mobile home, which would be larger and cheaper, or at least similarly priced, with our current apartment. It'd be a much nicer place for the money and we'd be more concerned about other stuff besides that. It's a little more in bills, but we can go to school full time, which is something our apartments don't allow, among other things. On top of that, I once lived in a duplex and preferred that to apartment life, so I think a mobile home will be even better!
@pillow08 (97)
• Philippines
29 Dec 09
I have similar experiences: Scenario 1: "Give me Five Pesos($0.12)" It's not much really, but the beggars dictates the amount they want from you. It varies from from five to 20 pesos. There was one instance that a kid slapped/hit my lap real hard because I wont give him a 20 Peso bill. Scenario 2: I opt to give away foods instead of money. There were several instances that I gave a beggar a loaf of bread and he/she threw it away. Scenario 3: I was surprised to see a beggar come into the bank, approach me, bring out rolls of notes from her pocket and asked if we could change it to bigger bills. It was about PHP9,000.00 (USD200.00). This happened thrice. According to a Chinese proverb, "Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day; Teach a man to fish, then you feed him for a lifetime." I don't give money anymore but I do donate to several trusted foundations.
• Australia
30 Dec 09
Hi, yeah I've heard of that Chinese proverb too and I agree, trusted foundations seem to be a more better option. Have a good day! :)
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Dec 09
snowstormz not here in southern cal in orange county you do notrun into that at all, you find people just like yourself who are dazed with shock as they have suddenly become homeless, middle class people who are not out asking foryour blasted handouts, they are with their small children in any homeless shelter they can get into where they can spend just one week, they will be fed, they must shower each afternoon, but also they must leave the premises and not come back until four oclock in the afternoon. these are proud, hurting people who will not beg one cent from you and no they do not have homes and they are not out scamming they are scared spitless,they are only homeless as they have no friends or relatives to help them and to give them shelter.these are people who lost their jobs from being laid off, and their home from running out of money because of no job,it so easy for all us who have money and homes and jobs to lump them all together as worthless bums. can you call a two week old baby a scammer, a bum? somebody should try to help the people that come from the same damned class as you do I read all these comments that show you people have no idea of what is really going on and evidently do not give a damn as long as you have money,homes, and jobs Give these people jobs, and help them get into an apartment, do not scorn them, who knows you may land there yourself if you lose your job?
• Australia
29 Dec 09
Hi there, i can understand where you're comng from though you must realise, we sympathise and empathise those who are genuinely unfortunate though at times, we encounter those who beg as their profession. I can understand how life is full of obstacles. My childhood consisted of being in poverty and spending my nights out in the rain so of course i know how it's not someone's fault if they end up homeless and that's why i sympathise them. However, there are people who scam others and therefore, give homeless people a bad name and i suppose in a sense, that's what this discussion is mainly about.
• Philippines
28 Dec 09
That is so true. I remember, when I was in Florida, my niece was helping in a soup kitchen as part of her credits in school. People who were supposed to be homeless and jobless who went there every Wednesdays for food, were coming in cars.
• Australia
29 Dec 09
LOL, wow! This just shows how people are so desperate for free food!
• United States
29 Dec 09
"HELL, I'm planning to start begging for change as of TOMORROW 9 to 5 b/c I NEED MONEY FOR MY BILLS!"
• Australia
29 Dec 09
2009 has been a tough year for everyone considering the global financial crisis and i believe there are ways for you to survive through this. Just need to know where to look ;)
• United States
28 Dec 09
Homeless people are homeless for a variety of reasons. Some have met truly unfortunate consequences and some are homeless by choice. I don't ever give homeless people money, mostly because I rarely carry cash and you never know what they will spend it on. I have given homeless people food and bottled water before and they have always seemed very grateful. Interestingly enough where I live a fair number of homeless people downtown are actually college educated. Think about that.
• Australia
29 Dec 09
I am glad to hear that there are still homeless people out there who are grateful to be given food instead of money :) But it's quite shocking to think that people are homeless even though they are college graduates!
@yinmm007 (605)
• China
28 Dec 09
I have ever met these people in public square.They usually wear ragged clothes and have a pained expression.At first i gave money to these people squatted down on the side of street.But then i found i could say them everytime i went there.So i never give any cent to them.They empoly our sympathy to earn money. Now i often take a detour round these people when i go out.
• Australia
28 Dec 09
Yeah, i agree. it's the pained expressions and the rags that brings out our sympathy :( I suppose that's why they don't go to homeless shelters and prefer to be seen by everyone.
@junmae (1586)
• Philippines
28 Dec 09
Most of the homeless who begs for money are just purely syndicate. They ask money and when you give them food they will just throw it to you. Ive encounter such incident many times, where a kid was begging for money because he said that he didnt have a lunch yet so gave him my burger but in return he just throw the food at me and ssaid he needs money not food so I am confused. Since then I am very careful in giving anything to beggars because I didnt give money.
• Australia
28 Dec 09
A kid did that?? Wow... appearances can be really deceiving... this a good lesson to be learnt!
@wandry (72)
• Indonesia
28 Dec 09
i think it's depend on the situation friend. Not all most homeless people want to be sympathize and empathize like your scenario 1. I don't know exactly about the homeless people but i do know the word "beggar". Because in my country there are many beggars and the numbers are rising every year. That all not because the poverty, but somehow it become a profession like other jobs. The type are varies and it's an organization. Some said why they choose this profession are because quite easy to get money and even they have nice life from it. That's why the government in my country forbid this profession and create a team to do regular patrol in the street to catch the beggar and give them a best solution to train them some skill and hope they will use it in the right purpose. But there are also real homeless people and poor people in my country, and they will get a help from people surrounding and they realize that they are not alone.
• Australia
28 Dec 09
Hi there :) Wow... a beggar is considered a profession? See... i used to think people who beg for money but are not genuinely homeless are considered to be con artists! Well, i live in Australia and especially in the cities, there are homeless people/beggars at every corner... at every street!
@fsll518 (304)
• China
28 Dec 09
I think it depends on if they are really "homeless". There are real ones, but there are also "pretending" ones. People realize it is quick way to make money, so some people pretend to be homeless and get into this "work". I just want to say, it is not a fault to be kind and merciful. If they do fake things and get money from you, they would get retribution some day, and your kindness would also be rewarded accordingly. Good luck!
• Australia
28 Dec 09
Yeah, 'what goes around comes around' :) Have a lovely day.
@myramae19 (667)
• Philippines
28 Dec 09
It depends I usually give to those old ones.. most of the young homeless person are just pretending, some of them are syndicate members, so i prefer giving the old ones. some times i realized that I am lucky enough compare to those homeless people out there, so Im thankful and i would be grateful share some of my change some times.,but i hates whenever i heard complaints from them, I remember last time when i am walking along the street i drop some penny to the old man , but the man complaints, he said just this?? I never turn a back with that old man and continue walking. he's pitiful for having a hard life and a bad attitude.:(
• Australia
28 Dec 09
Oh wow, he even complains! Gee... if you're more grateful and humble for life than those who are homeless!! Homeless people... sounds like a conspiracy and i just found out that beggars are classified as professions!
@rose66 (378)
• China
28 Dec 09
that is really a problem about the homeless. in china, although the homeless won't reject your change, they will reject your food, they inly ask for money. and you know we have the relief stations for them, but most of them don't like to stay in the relief station forthere's no money for them. i don't know what's wrong with the homeless.
• Australia
28 Dec 09
Hi there :) Yeah, i don't really understand why homeless people don't accept food and i can't believe it's like that in China too! Quite shocking!