Wives submitting themselves to their husbands, do you think its right?

I think a lot of it boils down to one's definition of "submit," and how it's used in this particular scripture. In these verses, Paul is speaking to believers of Jesus and it is my understanding, and I could be mistaken about this, that it was God's plan that the husband was to be the spiritual head of the family. As such, it was best for the family's spiritual life if the wife and the children adapted to the husband/father's spiritual leadership. If the husband is following the precepts of Jesus, I don't see how the rest of the family can complain or not submit. However, if the husband does not know Jesus, the wife should do whatever it takes to keep peace in the house while still obeying the teachings of Jesus. Maybe that's why it is said elsewhere in Scripture, "be not unequally yoked to unbelievers."

lol, I've said enough on the other discussion. But I will say I wholeheartedly agree with what the Holy Bible says. You are right to point out that the Ephesians passage gives us the command to love our wives. Within a kingdom, there is submission. And so it is in the Kingdom of God. In Christ, the husband needs to submit to Christ, which, when this occurs, makes it easier for the woman to submit to her husband. Submission does not mean being domineered, but in a partnership where one takes the lead so to speak.

I think this is outdated. Please remember that this was written at a time when very few women were permitted any education and they were considered to be nothing more than property that took care of the home and bred children. Their husbands were more likely to have at least a rudimentary education and were as far above their wives as God was above them. Also, you have to remember that the book of Ephesians is nothing more than a few surviving letters that were written by Paul to a group of early Christians in Ephesus. Paul was nothing more than a disciple. He was not Christ. This was one man's opinion that was sent to a small group of people. Paul also wrote letters to Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, Phillipians, Collossians, Thessalonians, Hebrews and to specific followers (Timothy, Titus, and Philemon). But, he was only a disciple; he was neither a prophet; nor, was he Jesus. And, anything he wrote was intended for a very select audience (he did not send copies of these letters to each and every group he wrote to like office memos); nor were they intended for everyone who would follow over the centuries. Paul could not have envisioned the world we now live in where women have rights and are as educated as the men (or in some cases more educated than the men). If he had, I believe he would have told both the men and women to "submit themselves unto God and love each other".

sounds like a good reason not to get married to me. equal terms or nothing.i will respect a person as long as they respect me.

wives may devoted to their husbands and children more than the husbands does but i do not think that's a good way to submit their whoe life to the husband.if the husband do not love her anymore then she lost everything she got. just have some own time and own friend or own income . wife is still a sepearte human at aleast.

I don't think there's any reason to "submit" to the man in the marriage unless his version of the situation makes the most sense. If the woman's idea makes more sense, then by all means, her version should be the one implemented. Since when does male genitalia make one forever and always smarter than one blessed with female genitalia? I don't think ANYONE should get automatic respect and leadership simply because one was born with outdoor plumbing. If you think about it, it's asinine.

Hi EvanHunter! I'm a Christian too... However, I didn't always agree with this verse. Before, I used to be very feministic, and I couldn't understand why wives have to submit to their husbands; it seemed like a very imbalanced power struggle or something, to me. However, the more I got to know God, the more I got to know the Bible, the more I got to know myself and my fiance, the more that I got to understand that women are indeed wired differently from men. Thus, I learned to accept this verse more and more. Today, I know that I wholly subscribe to this verse. I see the women who do not know how to submit to their husbands and more and more do I see the immense blessing that there is when we do submit to them. God is so wise to create us in a certain way; I may wonder and I may question, but the moment I learn to understand the "why," then do I learn how to respect God's sovereignty in matters, including this one. For me, I noticed that men are more firm in decision-making. I appreciate that they have simpler and yet more decisive thought processes, and I appreciate that they are more objective than women are, in general. And in a family, having the husband as the last say simplifies things, and gives me a way out, in case I don't feel like being responsible. Heheh. Kidding! All in all, I think this works out, and I respect this verse and appreciate it very much, today. :) Though I would respect everyone else who can't live with this one. :) Happy new year!

As much as I know about the major religions of this world, including my own Hinduism, all have been created by man for his own benefit and all show women as subservient to man. To offset this bias, all religions again tell the men to take good care of the women, as if women are supposed to be the property of men.

i agree with it but (there is a bitg but there) it doesnt give the man permission to do anything they want. (i have heard of a minister who actually beat his wife because 'the Bible said he could'.) the husband has to treat his wife very special. this verse works both ways.

It does not matter what we think, it's God's word. Both verses carry equal weight. We cannot emphasize one and ignore the other.

Yes I do. Not because I think it's right, but because I understand this is God's word, and he has the right to make the rules. Is it right for parents to tell their children to go to bed at 8 PM? Yes. Why? Because they are the parents. Well, God is God. He has the right. The biggest problem is people who use this passage to mean that you should force or make women submit. A man should never say to a women "see? The Bible says you should submit, so you better submit to me". Why? Because that passage was not written to men. It was written to women. Submission is a choice of the person in question. Not the spouse to make them submit. It is up to the women to determine if she will, or will not submit to the man. A man shouldn't even be reading Ephesians 5:22 unless he's teaching a bible study. Another way to think about this is how the Christian faith works as a whole. Jesus Christ never forced people to believe in him. Jesus never went around with a sword slaughtering people who refused to believe in him, like Mohammad did with Islam. It was up to each person to choose to believe. If anyone is running around trying to cram submission down peoples throats saying "you must!", then they have missed the point of submission, and the entire Christian faith. But as to whether or not it's "old and outdated", that's crazy. Submission is part of our daily lives. We all have to submit to each other at some point. Specially as it refers to the marriage relationship, all I can say is, the best marriages I've seen have been ones where the women submits. I have yet to meet a couple where the women was not submissive, that had a good marriage. I suppose there could be one someplace, but I've yet to see it.

Both ways it is happening. But wives submitting to husband is talked more, the reason is that the husband may be the sole bred winner. If husband is kept healthy only then they can be happy to run the day to-day family affairs ( improvement of home and needy expenditure money is required).Above all the Children should have a father.However if both are understanding each other and submission is always welcome. There is a saying in Tamil " In one submit to other in a dispute one is the winner".Because all the dispute ends there and there after, the Parties are likely to be friends. If otherwise the enmity continues even for ever.

It could be a poor translation as well. I've read another translation that words it as "Wives, understand and support your husbands..." and another that I honestly think that if you look at it both ways (that both should support the other) then it's fine.

I'd like to comment on your question of, is it old and outdated? ... Well, the Bible never get outdated. If ever it gets outdated, it is not God who made it outdated, but man. You know, man has a propensity to make Bible outdated. And the result is, broken families and broken homes. The word of God is forever. It never get expired. If you make it expire, the side-effect can be horrible. Let's accept that fact.