Why all the secrets?

You supported the PATRIOT Act, didn't you? Bush and his minions pulled out this huge, unreadable bill, told Congress "if you do not vote Aye on this I will tell your constituents you're unpatriotic and destroy your political career" and demanded an up-or-down vote on it. And if you've ever tried to read the PATRIOT Act you'll see what a really disgusting bill is: most of it is "In line 3 of the fifth paragraph of chapter 6, 18 US Code 405, strike the word "not." So now you've got to dig out 18 USC 405, find chapter 6, and go to line 3 of the fifth paragraph to find that Bush wants "police will not have the authority to kick down your door at three in the morning" changed to "police will have the authority." (Which also explains why the PATRIOT Act is 350 pages long instead of 2500 pages long--the meat of the Act is in the 108 sections of the US Code the PATRIOT Act amends.)

"You supported the PATRIOT Act, didn't you?" No, I didn't. The PATRIOT Act was a piece of unconstitutional garbage which Obama ALSO supports and wants to EXTEND. So now that your crap assumption and "Bush did it too" garbage is out of the way, go ahead and try to tell me how I'm wrong.

ROFL!!! someone programmed jmowreader pretty good didn't they.......typical canned, statist response.

I agree. THey don't want us to know how bad the deal is until it is too late for us to do anything about it. If it was a great bill that would actually help us the average person they would let us see it and know what is going on.

Benefits strengthening the democratic party and at the same time making government morph into even more huGe and more powerful government.. and what a boon! all paid for with taxpayer (free) money!

there has not been a lot of transparecny in this administration or congress. They have just paid lip service to it and then continued with business as usual.

For all their talk.....they are not better than Bush and his Admin. Neither really wants transparancy and both just want the american public to sit and take whatever they dish out...no questions or comments allowed.

"there's a possibility it may be in part televised on C-SPAN" LOL, yeah, there's also a possibility that Obama will dress like a chicken and dance in front of the White House, but that's no more likely to happen than any of their backroom dealings being televised on C-SPAN. When Gibbs was asked about Obama's promise the other day he flat out refused to answer the question. "I've heard assurances there will be frequent updates made public and put online." I have to hand it to you Annie, you sure are a true believer. Do you still believe Obama's assurances regarding lobbyists, transparency, C-SPAN, and the round table with doctors and insurance companies? "I truly believe the Democrats' hands were forced in this." How EXACTLY were Democrats FORCED to hide their negotiations from the public. We'll pretend for a moment that Republicans would have made the debate impossible somehow if they were not shut out. How does that force the Democrats to not allow C-SPAN cameras to watch them in their closed door deals and bribes? "the Senate Finance Committee wasted weeks trying to appease just ONE member of the opposition" I know, they must be so angry that she couldn't be bought with a $300,000,000 bribe like Nelson and Landrieu. "In fact, if he really meant it, he would threaten to veto any bill unless the debate on it was done publicly." Come on X. He already threatened, excuse me, PROMISED to veto bills loaded with earmarks, while he has basically laughed (or had Gibbs do the laughing) at Republicans who call on him to keep his promise regarding bills with thousands of earmarks. What I'm saying is that talk is cheap. Obama just tells people what they want to hear.

I do hold them responsable, all of congress. All the oposition to each other is nothing more than political theater. The dems want to look like heros, the republicans want to look like genuine heartfelt people's oposition....BOTH are full of shytte. But it doesn't make the crime of the comgressional majority leadership of conducting their business in secret any less loathsome...it's wrong...period. YOu and I both know damn well nothing good is going on behind those doors and that none of it has anythng to do with being kind hearted and offering every american the ability to pay for their healthcare. If Obama had a spine though he would stand up to the dictateress and refuse to take part in any further discusions on it untill the process is opened as he promised.

In fact, if he really meant it, he would threaten to veto any bill unless the debate on it was done publicly.

exactly. which means they don't have honorable intentions. therefore we should be keeping a closer eye one them.

yep. They know we would scream, rant and rave if we knew so they are going to wait to let us know about it until it is voted on and passes....too late for us to do anything about it.

I agree. I fully exspect not to fully know what is in the bill untill after it is voted on and too late to do anything about. It will be crammed down our throats wether we like it or not. Which is bad for us. And I hope costs ALL of them their jobs come re-election.

I agree. Vote them out and get term limits on their butts. This healthcare bill has nothing to do with "national" security so it should be open and I mean completely open for the american people to see the WHOLE process.

"Socialism is great....until you run out of other peoples' money". Then when it is "your" money.....socialism sucks. LOL