Universal health care is the only Christian option
By poingly
@poingly (605)
United States
January 8, 2010 8:46am CST
The Pennsylvania Hospital that Ben Franklin founded in 1751 has the following inscription: "Take care of him and I will repay thee." For those who are not in the know, this is from the story of the Good Samaritan from the Bible. It's a story that almost all young Christians are told repeatedly. A Jewish man is robbed and beaten, left for dead on the side of the road. Two men pass him by, but a third stops. This man is a Samaritan. The tensions between Jews and Samaritans were very well known at the time. However, this Samaritan tends to his wounds, takes him to an inn with the instructions to further care for the man, and pays for his bills.
This is a lesson that teaches us how to be neighbors to our fellow man. In other words, we should show mercy on our fellow men, take care of our fellow men. It is a spiritual call to care for other people when we can...and even when we can't.
It seems odd to me that people in America who claim that we are a Christian nation, who get upset about the removal of the nativity scene and Christmas tree from the public square, are also those who are most actively against the lessons that Jesus teaches us in the Good Samaritan. In theory, if these people are following the words of God, shouldn't taxes be spent in a Christian way? I can think of few things that take the Good Samaritan parable to heart more than universal health care. Getting upset when the display of a nativity scene is removed, something is called "holiday" instead of "Christmas," and getting upset about the taking down of Ten Commandments in US courtroom are all distractions. They are symbols of faith, but they are not faith themselves. When we focus on symbols instead of the actual lessons, we are no better than the money changers inside of a temple.
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@evillure (147)
• United States
9 Jan 10
You are assuming that everyone is Christian, also taxes are stealing simply because I{anyone else really} never agreed to pay for them. Also just because someone is on benefits does not mean they are abusing the system. In some states woman can not get Medicaid/Medicare unless they are pregnant or have children under 1 year. I also don't beleive that I should be forced to get Health Care because I don't have it, which is what would happen with universal health care. Also satanism is not the big evil thing everyone makes it out to be. But that's another topic entirely.
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@poingly (605)
• United States
9 Jan 10
I'm not assuming everyone is Christian. I'm saying Christians have a hard time opposing universal health care.
Satanists, on the other hand, have a very easy time opposing it. Okay, okay, not even ALL Satanists, it depends on what sect of Satanism one belongs to.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
8 Jan 10
I love how the same people who demand that religion be kept out of politics are the ones who are now saying that Jesus would be a liberal or Jesus would want the public option.
Let me first tell you, there is no Universal health care in either bill PERIOD. I don't know why anyone actually believes there is.
Now, there is a HUGE difference between a Christian sacrificing his or her own time and money to help another, as Jesus teaches, and STEALING money from someone else to give to another. I'm more than happy to donate my time, money, and blood to help other people and I do it regularly, donating far more money than our Vice president who makes over $300,000 a year and donates between $100 and $300 to charitable causes.
If you want to help others, give money to charitable hospitals and encourage others to do the same. Don't demand that the government steal from people to do this. Stealing is against Christianity.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
9 Jan 10
"they are paying unto Caesar what is Caesar's"
That part of the bible has been interpreted many ways, but the fact is that Jesus was never a fan of tax collectors.
That of course doesn't even get into the fact that 40% of the people in this country don't pay a dime of federal income tax. Furthermore when you are making 5% of the population foot the health care bill for the other 95%, that's robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Besides, your arguments and attempts to compare those opposing this to Satanists are not only weak, but completely ignore the point of my original post. Christians should use THEIR OWN time and money to help others, not steal it through taxation on the unpopular minority.
@poingly (605)
• United States
8 Jan 10
Taxes are not stealing; they are paying unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Also in the Bible.
There is a difference between mixing religion and politics and using religious philosophy to think about politics. All I'm saying is that the only the Christian religion says to take care of your fellow man. When you have a government that is of, by, and for the people. The government is man and should take care of its fellow men (its citizens) if you believe in the Christian philosophy. Or most religious philosophies for that matter. The only one that I can think of off the top of my head that would be against such a thing is Satanism, which is kind of scary when you consider who aligns themselves with THAT philosophy in this situation.
Furthermore, I am HUGE problems with the bill as currently written. I am not talking about the current bill here. The fact that it does NOT have universal health care in it is my BIGGEST problem with it.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
9 Jan 10
As you can see, poingly, there are varied reasons why people object to universal...or whatever anyone wants to call it...health care. The distrust that many have, myself included, of the government's ability to run such a program is understandable. I do believe, however, that the over generalizations that run rampant about the people who do not have health insurance defeat the arguments against it.
Again and again I see those without health insurance branded as lazy and irresponsible yet how many have actually taken the time to investigate the facts of private health coverage? I have...for a fictional family of 4...the premiums are high and the deductables run in the thousands before coverage kicks in. These policies are virtually useless when it comes to receiving preventive care, seeing a doctor when you are ill or covering the cost of prescription medication. Some of the horrid people who don't currently have their own insurance are uninsurable because they already have medical conditions that make them too risky for most insurance companies to take on for any price. They also fall into the category of the working class...earning too much to qualify for medicaid and too young to qualify for medicare. Those receiving Public Assistance are usually thrown in for good measure even though it's common knowledge that, if you're receiving food stamps and cash every month, you also have a medical card and your healthcare is free. But, it helps to make those who are truly in need look like leeches if they're included so why let facts stand in the way?
I don't know if the current bill under consideration is a good one or not...and it disturbs me greatly that we are being kept in the dark about it...but I do believe that something needs to be done. Those who live in the La La Land of employer provided health coverage, where a small amount is deducted from your check, you have a $10 copay, $5 prescriptions and a $300 yearly deductable for your entire family should have compassion for those who aren't as lucky. Unfortunately, many don't although they'll deny that fact.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
8 Jan 10
There are a lot of charity hospitals that treat people even if they can't pay. There is medicaid and medicare for the poor and elderly. There is plenty of help out there for those who can't help themselves. What ticks me off are the ones who can take care of themselves but don't....because they want everyone else to take care of them for them.
That is called laziness and it is wrong to exspect others to take care of you when you can do it yourself but refuse to.
"God helps those that help themselves".
@poingly (605)
• United States
8 Jan 10
What you describe here sounds exactly like how Jews and Samaritans felt about each other. They thought less of them for whatever reason (whether that be because of race back then or poor lifestyle choices now). You have called them sloths (aka lazy) and just dismissed them as sinners, basically. Now, sinners have always been the least of God's people. And (if you are a Christian) do I really need to tell you how we should be treating the least of God's people?
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
9 Jan 10
But, lil, there are too many who don't fall into any of the categories you mention...who don't qualify for medicaid or medicare, who can't take care of themselves because they either don't have employer provided health coverage, can't afford to pay for private insurance or are considered uninsurable due to a pre-existing condition. People who have illnesses that need regular treatment and/or medication who can't depend on charity hospitals and those who live in areas of the country where there are none. My brother-in-law does not "want" everyone else to take care of him...but he has a hole in what's left of his throat because he's a 2 time cancer survivor and he is uninsurable.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
9 Jan 10
muscles, the people who receive food stamps, cash assistance and housing assistance also get free medical care through medicaid.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
8 Jan 10
I don't know that Christians are against their taxes being spent for someone's healthcare. The fact of the matter is that a lot of taxes are already taken out and being spent on things -- and this is where a lot of people, Christian or otherwise, have a problem.
It's not so simple. It's not an MSNBC talking point that, if you oppose government-run healthcare, you want people dying in the streets. It's 100% about the government, this government.
To the people who are standing in such support of universal healthcare in America, I'd have to ask them who they want in charge of it. This government?
Seriously, there's nothing to argue about here. If someone trusts America's crooked government to actually get something right, they're either dizzy or blind.
Give people ONE example of large government that's good and those same people might start to believe that government can actually handle money and handle people's lives.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
9 Jan 10
Right. And that's going to 300 million Americans, so I guess they can handle universal healthcare now.
Job training and the like isn't 1/6th of America's economy, I don't suspect. Compartmentalized things are not large government -- this is a branch of a cabinet.
Let as many people use Job Corps as use the DMV and see how well they do. Job Corps, in this context, is more of an elective program. I would be interested to see how much fraud and waste is in that, however, just for shts and giggles.
Furthermore, the U.S. Department of Labor is far from a well-oiled machine. If Job Corp works well through that particular department's education and training program, then kudos to that particular branch for not dropping the ball. Force everyone to use it as an entitlement, I have a feeling Job Corp wouldn't be a shining example of government, large or small.
I think it's awesome if Job Corp helps some people out. However, this isn't much of an example of large government running something well. This is a branch out of the limelight that many people have no need for -- wholly unlike healthcare.
@poingly (605)
• United States
9 Jan 10
DMV is a not federally run. I happen to live in the largest City in the this country and last time I renewed my license I went to the busiest DMV in the nation. It was also a well-oiled machine, because it had to be, it serviced a massive number of people. Many smaller branches (the ones people have problems with) suffer because they aren't constantly dealing with a great number of people, so when there is an influx, it clogs up.
The US Census covers all 300 million Americans. It seems well run to me. Our government is AMAZING at what it can do!