Obama and the Dems successfully bribe Unions for support of bill!

The "Bush/Republicans did it too" line Annie? Is that the best you can do? That is the weakest most tired excuse in the book. All you're telling me is that you approve of bribery and corruption 100% when it's your party doing it. Bush must be your favorite president. You clearly support everything he does so long as there's a D next to the name of the person doing it. "Taskr, does it mean anything to you" No, it means absolutely NOTHING to me what union workers have negotiated with their union because that's between union workers and their union. What makes you think non-union workers haven't made similar deals with their own employers to keep their health care? People take lower wages all the time to get good health insurance, but I guess that only matters to you if they support Obama's agenda. Does it bother you at all that Obama was completely against taxing insurance plans and reamed McCain over it during the election? Does it bother you that he PROMISED not to raise taxes on people making less than 250,000 a year and yet is more than happy to break that promise AGAIN with this bill, or are you just willing to support him no matter what because of that D next to his name? Do you remember when Obama said taxing your health insurance was "so radical, so out of touch with what you're facing, and so out of line with our basic values."? http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-04-obama-2008_N.htm I guess it's only radical if you do it to unions. Here are links with information about the bribe the democrats pulled. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/15/democrats-hammered-room-deal-unions-health-care/ http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/unions_get_pecial_treatment_in_health_AB053CwqPIJlIxXAm37DOM http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/01/tentative-deal-on-the-cadillac-health-insurance-plans-reached.html http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/14/health.care.negotiations/index.html

Two wrongs don't make a right. And just because one acts badly does not give the other the right to behave badly too. As for who all is exempt...it is union members, state and federal employees....that is it. The rest of us have to pay it. What about the rest of the average joe working american who did without pay raises or more pay at a job to get better healthcare benefits? the union members are not the only ones.

Taskr, I don't see anywhere in that quote that makes the blanket statement taxing health insurance is so radical and out of touch. He levels that accusation at McCain's plan (at least according to the article provided)--BIG difference there! I agree that this provision should've stayed as the Millionaire's Tax (as I think it is in one of the House versions) to prevent the possible taxation of people making under $250K. However, it is very unlikely that this does affect people making under $250K. I'm not sure if the following will make it into the final version but: In one of the versions I read, there was a tax on people with no health insurance. With no public option present in the bill, this just seemed horribly unfair to the poor who cannot afford either health care insurance OR the burden of a new tax. I seriously hope that's not in the final.

The American people want a health care bill; they just don't want THIS health care bill. Don't get me wrong; there are some good things in it (and some bad things too). But you have plenty of people on the right saying it goes too far, and people on the left saying it doesn't go far enough.

Except this is the EXACT spirit of our founding fathers. It's like the 3/5th compromise in our Constitution. Or how people small states gets more say (per person) in who gets elected president because of how the electoral system works. Our founding fathers may not have had political parties, but they certainly had agendas!

Well prepare to be shocked, I know I was... I meet a man a couple weeks ago who voted for Obama who told me he thought hevwould bring change but he has brought nothing but more debt and disappointment... he also said next election he would not be voting the incumbent in for anything! Talk about a shocked feeling for me!

Well as you can see below the letter D next to Obama's name makes his actions perfectly justifiable for many of his minions. He can change his stance on anything and that's just fine. Firestorm: it is good to see some people are opening their eyes. I just hope enough people realize how bad things are with the current politicians we have. We definitely want to get rid of the incumbents and get term limits in place to reduce the corruption.