Who deserves a tip? How much? And When?
By StarBright
@StarBright (2798)
United States
January 16, 2010 4:51pm CST
The subject of tips has been discussed to death, but sometimes it still gets confusing. I think I'm a reasonable person and I contribute my fair share to help the economy. But at times it seems a bit much. You walk into an establishment and they have a tip jar sitting on the counter. I'm talking about small retail stores that sell merchandise, take-out food restaurants and auto repair shops, to name a few. I had a plumber come to my home to do a relatively small repair (nothing messy and in less than 30 minutes). He hung around and talked for another half hour until I figured out that he wanted a tip. I tipped him to get rid of him, but I am reluctant to use his services again.
Back in the day when Emily Post gave us the standard for proper etiquette on most matters of social behavior, the owner of a business was never tipped. Even if offered a tip, the owner was expected to politely refuse to take it. Seems those days are gone. Is it just the US that is big on tipping? Or is it only in major cities? Who do you tip and how do you arrive at a fair amount to tip? The maid? The mailman? The gardener? The plumber? The pizza delivery driver? The clerk in the donut shop? The clerk in the retail store? The porter at the airport? The taxi driver? Bus drivers? Tour guides? The auto mechanic? The guy who parks your car when you drop it off at a restaurant? The guy who brings your car when you pick it up after dining at a restaurant? Everyone who gives you service after a day at the spa? The clerk at the supermarket who bags your groceries? Ushers in theatres? Your pet groomer? The tow truck driver? The movers who pack you up and take you to your new home? How about when you got married? Who all did you tip then? Do you tip some of these people only once a year at Christmas or on their birthday as well? How do you avoid coming off as a cheapskate, but at the same time not throw your money around like a phony, stupid, Wannabe show-off?
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17 responses
@giovanni1326 (71)
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17 Jan 10
hi starbright.. =) for me, i would only give a tip if the service provided is excellent or if it met my standards. of course, i also consider the product given. for example, i always stay in this coffee shop here in our place, and i really like their service and goods. so, i always give tips. But if i didnt like the product or service given to me, im not stupid to give a tip. hehe they should improve first if they want to earn tips. Or sometimes, when im on a taxi and i have a change of 5pesos or less, i just give it to the driver. Im a bit not generous in giving tips. the biggest tip i have given is 20 pesos only. hahahaha
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
17 Jan 10
Hi, Giovanni: You don't want to insult anybody with a small tip that says "I thought your service was lousy. As long as they understand that you are giving from your heart because you appreciate the service, then I guess it's fine. Coffee shops have an atmosphere that is nice. It is a great place to hang out. Bookstores here in US have taken to adding a coffee shop within the store.
@giovanni1326 (71)
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17 Jan 10
giving big amount of tip is not my idea, really. hehe as long as I appreciate/compensate to their good service, thats enough for me to give them tips. but not at large amounts. hehe
@chulce (1537)
• United States
17 Jan 10
I have to agree with you. Tipping is a mind boggling world. For me I keep it simple, given that it is hard to keep a few pennies in our pocket as it is.
1) Tip the waiter or waitress according to their service for you. Did they visit often was your drink class filled, did you ask for extras? The rule to remember is 10 percent in most standards, for their time I usually tip around 15 to 20. Remember that wait staff make way below minimum wage, they are given an hourly salary of $2.50 in most cases. This is because in their profession it is expected to receive a tip.
2) If you have someone that helps you carry out your groceries, depending on the store they work for (and you can ask) they most likely make minimum wages or above. If you want to be nice for their gesture, then sure give them a dollar or two. But, no more than that.
3) Bell hops at a hotel. Again, it never does hurt to research the positions and find out what they may make an hour. If you find it is below minimum wage, just remember that and type according to the work they have done for you.
4) Pizza delivery. Most restaurants that offer delivery usually pay their drivers pretty well. In some cases $10 to $12 an hour. They are also paid for their gas. If you do tip, keep it low, there is no point to give them more unless they do something completely out of their way.
The others, okay, well lets think about it. They are typically in positions that pay quite well, so, don't tip. Look at their professions and realize that in many cases they are paid quite well for what they do. There really is no need to tip.
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
17 Jan 10
Chulce, sounds like you got it figured out pretty good. For me, the jury is still out on some of the other people. I guess I have to take them one at a time and let them stand on their own merits. In cases like the plumber, I felt used, so he definitely did not deserve a tip.
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
18 Jan 10
Chulce: I agree. Each of us has to find our own comfort level. But think about this. If you have a lot, and I mean a whole lot of money, do you think you should still stay within a certain limit so as to not make the service person feel obligated to you? Granted, a really good tipper will get preferenial service. But if you just go way over board, will that service person feel like you are buying them and then maybe they will be embarassed and not want to be your puppet?
@chulce (1537)
• United States
17 Jan 10
Starbright,
It is a choice that each of us have to make when it comes to the proper distribution of tipping. Each of us will tip in a different way and each of us have a certain comfort level.
I say if you make plenty of money and feel that you can tip, then by all means, go for it. But, if you are like I and many others and live on a tighter budget or live a bit more frugally, you will see that you have to gauge things more differently when it comes to the tipping games.
@limosonia1 (1559)
• United States
17 Jan 10
I try to tip well and almost always leave a tip even if the service was bad. A few months ago in our town people actually got arrested for not leaving a tip which they fought and won but it was rediculous. Since when did it become mandatory and not something to work at. These people did not leave a tip because the waitress never came back to refill drinks or anything they had to actually go up to the bar. But since there was six people it became part of the bill so the pub called the cops. I was just disgusted by the pubs actions and not repremanding the waitress for not doing her job but arresting innocent people.
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
17 Jan 10
Limosonia1, that story is absolutely unbelievable! I had to look to see where you are from. Right here in the US. Amazing! A pub that dared to call the cops over a tip? All they did was draw attention to their bad service. I can see an attorney in court with this one. TIPS stand for "To insure prompt service." The pub put it in writing and charged a fee for it but failed to deliver, and still insisted on getting paid. Too funny. Talk about making an A$$ of yourself....This could not have been the owner....
@limosonia1 (1559)
• United States
17 Jan 10
I couldn't believe it at first either. I thought it was some kind of joke on the internet. I think they should sue. Its just embarrasing to have the cops arrest you and for doing the right thing. They didn't get the service that deserved a tip. This owner should be furoius at his employees for doing that.
@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
17 Jan 10
if it's a service industry job,where their wages rely on tips,like waitress,i'll tip them..sometimes above standard if they did good service and didn't have a 'tude.
something like a plumber when they're already paid well,no.
even without tips there's no way they'll starve on their income.
our local garbagemen make $18 dollars an hour with benefits here.
@benny128 (3615)
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17 Jan 10
I myself personally do not tip here in uk tipping is not widely practised as it is in say the usa.
I will always say compliments to the chef is the food is good and the chef usually comes out and I tell him face to face or if I am in a shop and get good service I will always say thank you.
To be honest that should suffice if they are getting paid then they are already being tipped to a certain extent.
Also when I used to work in a bar all the tips used to be collected and spliut amongst the staff and the bar used to take 50% of the tips, so sometimes the tips you leave aren't even going to the person who gave you the good service.
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
18 Jan 10
Thanks for the insight Benny. I'm sure a lot of folks would not tip so well if they knew the server was not getting all of the money. A number of establishments have taken to sharing the tips. It makes a good way for the employer to report the tips to the IRS and have the employees pay taxes on the extra income.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
17 Jan 10
There are certain people that I will tip and I will tip them fairly. I think that the waiter at a restaurant deserves to be tipped. I think the pizza delivery man needs to be tipped and I also think that the beautician needs to be tipped. The people that I encounter less often that also deserve to be tipped are the valets at the hospital or also at a casino. I don't actually know what the appropriate amount to tip a valet or a beautician are, but with the waiters and delivery people I tip them between 10% and 20% of our bill.
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
18 Jan 10
I'm told that at the airport, it's something like $2.00 per bag. I always applied this same standard to the valets at the hotel, with $5.00 being my minimum tip. If I am on a higher floor I may add a little more. I don't know if that is standard or not. It's just me. I agree that servers in a restaurant should be tipped. Food delivery people should also be tipped. Some of them must use their own car and do not get fully imbursed for the wear and tear on their car.
I had the opportunity to encounter hospital valet staff a few days before Christmas. My husband had them park the car. The guy was rude and took his time and acted as if he really did not want to be there. His buddy sat there like a bump on a log. My husband was really upset over the service. Two days later when we left the hospital, my husband refused to give a tip when he picked up the car from the same guy. The guy still had the same "I don't give a d@#!" attitude. I felt badly for him, but it wasn't my call. He sort of deserved it.
@allen0187 (58582)
• Philippines
17 Jan 10
hi starbright!
i tip at restaurants and especially in bars if the service is good or if i know that i'll be coming back and want to make an impression so that the next time i come back, i get preferential treatment like getting seated ahead of the line or getting better placed seats at the bar. usually, i tip like 10%-15% of my total bill. i give something extra as well to those workers who i know rely heavily on their tips like waiters, bartenders, and porters at airports and groceries. i alos have asoft spot for taxi drivers and always make it a point to give something extra aside from what is in the taxi meter.
last christmas, at the toy store where i brought the gifts for my younger brother, i availed of their gift wrapping services. now the toy i got for my daughter i didn't purchase at that store but i was offered by the lady at the gift wrapping counter for it to be gift wrapped free of charge. i took up the offer and saw that they have a tip jar and so i left a good tip enough to share among the four or five people at that counter.
anyway, most of the time i just go by instinct and judgement. if the service is above par i don't mind giving a tip. if the service is so-so, i still give the tip but only the minimum accpeted amount. i used to think that tipping is for showing off and only for those who can afford it but seeign how others really just rely on their tips to get by, i'm more open to the idea of giving out tips.
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
17 Jan 10
Hi, Allen: You have a good heart and I'm sure people see that in you. You also appear to have mastered the art of tipping in that you know what you want and how to get it. Sometimes a well-placed tip can open doors that otherwise would be closed - like as you mentioned, getting good seats, a nice table, getting the taxi to wait for you, getting the sky cap to ignore your overweight luggage (been there, done that one), getting information that saves you a ton of time, and the list goes on.
It shouldn't be this way, but I have seen cases where service was not so good and I left a tip. The next time I went back to that spot, they remembered and service was excellent. We do have to remember that servers are often grossly underpaid and over-worked. If we put ourselves in their shoes, maybe we can have a little more compassion for them.
@acematthews71 (1084)
• India
17 Jan 10
Well, most of the times, while in any grocery mall, I do the handling work myself only, and so I don't need to pay any for that. But when I go to a restaurant and have some meal, I like to give some generous tip to the waiter for his kind service of serving the food, also I mostly go out in the restaurants on some special occasions only!!
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
17 Jan 10
Hi, Ace: Like you, when I go out on special occasions, I know tipping is in order. It goes with the territory. Good food, good service, good tip. We can say a nice time was had by all.
@novelcai (600)
• Philippines
17 Jan 10
hello there starbright. im from philippines and im working as a beauty therapist and at the same time as a make-up artist. honestly i receive tips from my clients who become happy on my service but not all the clients and honestly its really a big help for me. my salary is not enough for me and to my son (im a single mom) and i need to look for sme extra money. everytime i get a tip from clients i make sure that i save it for my son's milk and diapers.
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
18 Jan 10
Thank you for your insight Novelcai. It sounds like you are very good at what you do. That is why you get the tips. Do your customers give you a percent of the bill or do they just give you money based on how they feel. For example, if a restaurant tab is $100 then the 15 or 20 percent of that would mean a $15 or $20 tip. If they are giving based on how they feel, they may say "keep the change" or give you $10 or even $30. How does it work for you?
@AleaUn (23)
• Serbia And Montenegro
17 Jan 10
Oh, how I hate tips! It's not that I'm a miser, it's just that it kills my freedom and peace. I am always in fear, always nervous, thinking... what, should I, how much... I don't want to think about it. If it costs eight, then it costs eight. If you want nine, if your work is worth nine, just put that price - nine.
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
18 Jan 10
I have that same dilemna in some situations. My husband thinks I overtip. I think he is a cheapskate. Life would be so much simpler if we could do as you suggest, set the price and let it be. That also means include the sales tax in the price where appropriate. Give me one price!! Sigh......
@machivado (528)
• Indonesia
17 Jan 10
First, I consider that since you has started this kind of discussion, you should be having a good life without much economic pressure (that goes for me too..).
To answer your question, my answer is this: "I give whenever I want to, where I want to, and how much I want to." That's it. I won't think about it as a burden in my mind, I'm one of the person who believe that an action worth a thousand minds. Don't think about it too much and believe in your heart.
I have a friend (who is far richer than me) who really doesn't think about how much he will make a donation because he will give the money that is inside his pocket (a grab of his hand). I won't call him an idiot for that.
Why do you judge your action too much? If you want to help then help, if you don't want to then don't.
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
18 Jan 10
Good philosophy. We do tend to worry too much about what is politically and socially correct rather than following our hearts. At the same time, I do not want to offend. Neither do I want to be a show-off. I just want to be fair.
@sanjeevsingh (392)
• India
17 Jan 10
If someone does anything for you and if you feet he or she need , give tip to that person..
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
18 Jan 10
Good practice. That probably covers 99% of the service industry. Most of the jobs are on the low end of the scale, so all of them need it. Don't you think?
@smookie8 (6)
• United States
17 Jan 10
I only tip the pizza guy, waitresses, my hair dresser. I tip by how much I liked the service.
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
17 Jan 10
That is what TIPS are intended for - to tell the server how well you liked the service. TIPS have been turned into something else - a salary supplement without regard for the service. Maybe we need to take the word back and apply its original meaning.
@chase717 (65)
• United States
17 Jan 10
I always leave a tip when dining out even if service is bad. Of course, I leave more if service is good. Most waiters are paid very low hourly. I feel they should receive tips. I always tip my hairdresser at least $10. I think that if you receive a service, you should tip if service is good. Waiters are the only ones I tip if service is bad.
@marguicha (222364)
• Chile
16 Jan 10
I don´t live in the US, so maybe my answer will not be the same as the one from a US resident. I tip (it´s a legal tip) at good restaurants. I also tip at any restaurant where the waitress does a job. I don´t live tip at any place where there´s autoservice. I pay the plumber, the gardener or the taxidriver but I see no reason to tip them: they are charging for their work. I tip the people that help me with my bags at the supermarket and any other helper that will not get good wages from his boss but relays on tips. I can tip the movers who take me to my new home only if they are specially nice (like helping me more that what they are paid for). I don´t tip some people that are tipped by everyone else, except if they help me in some special way. I have a war with the people that recolect garbage as they are careless with my carefully tied up bags and I have to clean up after tehm. So they expect everyone to tip them at Christmas, but I don´t. Once they asked me why and I sweetly explained. They can´t be ruder than they were, so I didn´t care. On the other hand, I give a Christmas present every year to a guard that someone (not myself) pays down the block. But if he sees me with a heavy bag, he´ll run to help me.
After writing this, I think I´m sure that things are like this in many places. I´d love to see other answers.
Happy posting!
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
17 Jan 10
I think restaurant tipping may be universal. Taxi drivers in the US may drive us into a ditch if they think they will not get a tip. How much I tip depends on the driver's attitude. I remember once when I was traveling, I hailed a taxi home. He let me out on the curb, and would not even lift my luggage out of the car. I had no problem giving him exact change. My greatest pleasure was in seeing his anger when he did not get a tip. I lived in one city where the kids (10-12 year olds) hung out in the grocery store parking lot and hurried to help patrons with their bags so they could make a little extra money. That worked well until several of the kids did not want to play fair. They upset the customers with their arguing and fighting, so the market banned kids from being on the premises without their parent present. We had one gardener who worked for us for several years. During that time, he would quite often do little extra things that he normally charged for free of charge. His was a family business with his brothers and sons. His grandchildren came to help when school was not in session. We always gave him the equivalent of a month's pay as a Christmas gift. He saved us more than that throughout the year.
I must say your garbage collectors have some nerve to ask you why you did not give them a tip. Good for you for explaining it to them. They probably still don't get it. Our people are nice to us. If we call and complain, they get in trouble, so they are careful. Of course, we have strict rules about how to handle garbarge, too - lids must be on the cans, certain toxic fluids are not allowed, boxes must be broken down and tied together etc. A tip works wonders. It will get things picked up that they would normally leave behind. A bigger tip gets your trash cans put away where they belong.
The guard down the street from you seems like a nice guy. He deserves a present. A tip would not have the same meaning to him because he is doing something from the heart.
@Torunn (8607)
• Norway
16 Jan 10
Norway hasn't been big on tipping before, most people do earn enough so that it shouldn't be necessary to tip. I've heard from my friends in Oslo that people everywhere are starting to except tips though, but I refuse to tip at the bakers. If I by bread, I don't see it has an extra service that they wrap it in paper :-) I tip at restaurants, not pizza places etc, but at good restaurants or if the service is fantastic.
I tip more when abroad, especially if I know ca what's normal. In Austria I'd tip at coffee houses and restaurants, also taxi drivers and in the opera, but not hair dressers etc. I remember going out with some friends that didn't know the tipping systhem, they insisted on getting every cent back and didn't leave any tips. That was quite embarrasing as we got good food and excellent service and sat there all evening.
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
17 Jan 10
I'm a sucker for a friendly greeting and a smile with my service, even at the bakery. If they have a tip jar out and I took my time making my selections, I may drop the change in the jar and even add another dollar if it is a rather large order. If all they are doing is ringing up a sale and there was no service to speak of, then I ignore the jar.
@masay7 (89)
• Gambia
17 Jan 10
Tiuth , when demanded are not tips anymore, i hate them. I think whats happening now is begging... In south Africa, even restaurants have a slot of their recipts for tips.. this is crazy.. i think it should be left entirerely in the hands of the giver... it should never be demanded.. like you said..
@StarBright (2798)
• United States
17 Jan 10
We've had that slot for tips on our receipts for a long time. I agree, sometimes you feel more like you are being hijacked for a tip. I remember eating at a buffet here in Las Vegas. It was at one of the newly renovated hotels. We paid by putting our credit card in a machine while we stood in line. The d#@n machine had the nerve to ask for the tip amount. We actually had to put in zeroes. It would not allow us to skip over that field on the receipt. When I mentioned this to the hostess that seated us, she was stunned that I could not understand why they asked for the tip before we were even seated.
Also, I understand if you get a 2-part receipt and you write the tip on only one copy and happen to take that copy home with you, the server does not get the tip. I guess it goes toward company tips instead.