It interfered with my breathing
By suspenseful
@suspenseful (40192)
Canada
January 19, 2010 4:32pm CST
My friend who used to be in a choir was telling me how her choir master got the whole group to breathe properly and what upset me was that because of a D & c I had where the doctor cut open one of my stomach muscles and consequently well operated on my tubes, I cannot use my stomach muscles to push out my breath as I should have.
Of course, that was in the old days when = what I am getting at is to ask if one's stomach muscles are damaged or cut, can one still regulate one's breathing to give more power to their singing. I tried to hold my breath and put out my stomach but I cannot do it that well. I can expand my rib cage, but I have hardly any power in my stomach breathning apparatus.
My friend said that I can use what I still have left, but the thought that a doctor decided back in the 70s to make sure to kill a potential singing career because I had been immmoral before I was married was wrong. I mean it was almost as bad as telling us girls that if we had slept with someone and had a baby that we were supposed to tell our potential husbands who at that time, would of course been expected to not forgive us.
That is my rant for today.
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6 responses
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
21 Jan 10
Except it is harder to play the piano when you are standing up. It is easier if someone is playing for you, but if you are doing both playing the piano and singing, it is not that easy. You have to think of two things at once.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
20 Jan 10
It is when I am sitting down playing the piano and practicing that i have the most problem. And when I stand up, I really have to use all my force to get them to hear me.
@Markrmorris2 (44)
• United States
30 Jan 10
While the abdominal muscles do come into play. it is not like olympic power lifting. With practice your body will find a work around to correct any loss of power you may be experiencing vocally.
Here are two exercises you can use to get your flow back:
Lie flat on your back on the floor with your feet and calves up on a small chair or foot stool. Your hips should be very close to the stool or chair.
While lying in this position take a fairly heavy book such as a dictionary and rest it on your soft abdomen below the ribs. Breathe in while focusing on lifting the book as high as possible. Do not continue to push if it is painful, just to the point of mild discomfort. Hold the breath and the book up for a count of three then let it back down, as low as possible while breathing out.
Repeat this five times breathing in as slowly as possible and out as slowly as possible. You can add a single note to the out breath if you want to get the feel of singing with diaphragmatic pressure. Now do it five times as quickly as possible expelling the breath with a Hah! much like a martial artist would.
Next, stand with feet shoulder width apart hands resting at sides and breathe in and out deeply. Focus on filling the abdomen with breath to the navel, breathe out, next fill to the rib cage, breathe out, next to fill to the shoulders, breathe out, then to the top of your throat, or jawline, breathe out, lastly breathe in deeply filling the abdomen all the way to the top of the head. Repeat.
Of course oxygen only goes into the lungs, but that image is not helpful to most of us. Sometimes I have students imagine themselves as clear galss measuring cups with lines at each of these breath centers. Try these and here is the test.
Take a deep breath and exhale, breathe in again and with your eye on a clock, time how long you can expell your breath on a single note. At first it may not be much. Practice these excersises and then sing twenty minutes each day four days a week and try the timing again after two weeks. You will notice marked improvement, if you follow the instructions correctly, guaranteed.
The goal, as singers, should be to develop the best voice you or I are capable of, not to be something we are not. The world is full of Ethel Mermans, and Tina Turners who are not world famous singers because someone told them their voice did not fit the box,and they believed it, and yet both of these ladies have enjoyed world wide fame as singers.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
31 Jan 10
Thank you. That is what I wanted, someone to show me how to great a deeper breath even though my belly muscle has been cut, so that when there is a concert and I am singing, I do not have to feel I have to shout sing to have them hear me at the end of the church. I have been told I have a good melodious voice, but it is no good if no one can hear me from the stage and if I try to force myself louder, it does not sound that good.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
9 Feb 10
I do have a bit of trouble with getting the audience or the congregation to hear me when we do not use a microphone, like in a large church. And also since I am a soprano, I have a bit of a problem in the lower part of my range trying to sing sweet enough. That is my main concern now.
Well besides the breathing.
@Markrmorris2 (44)
• United States
31 Jan 10
I have been coaching singers of all skill levels for more than a dozen years. You should never have to push or force anything. Once you have worked your voice to its top condition, you may still find that there are some things you cannot do. Work with what God gave you, you will always find a way to do what he asks of you.
I would be happy to help you more if needed. Just comment on one of my replies and I will get back to you.
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@ElicBxn (63638)
• United States
20 Jan 10
I doubt he did it to INTENTIONALLY ruin your singing career - its probably just they way they did it when he went to med school.
I think you are projecting in this case. Now that you went to a stupid so called church that gave you so much guilt - that was bad, but this time I really think it wasn't "to make sure to kill a potential singing career because I had been immoral before I was married".
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
20 Jan 10
I quit that church back in the 70s. But even if I had not joined that church in the first place, the prevailing attitude was that if you had s*x and got pregnant before marriage, God could forgive you, but society could not. So of course, any girl who got in that situation felt that whatever things happened that killed her chances of better education = like being kicked out of school, not being allowed to go to college, being ashamed to see a doctor because she did not trust that the doctor would help her were considered as punishments. I never wanted to go to college, but I did want to marry sooner and had society not been as it was then, and made me afraid of dating because I did not went to tell a potential husband and have him break off with me, sort of kept me from getting the medical help I needed - like the treatment for vd sooner.
That is how things were in Canada at that time back in the 60s. It might have been different in the States. They might have been more forgiving.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
21 Jan 10
Well even before I joined that fake church, even in the public schools that were mostly secular at that time, the prevailing theme was that if you were a bad girl, i.e. either had s*x before marriage and especially got pregnant, you were to be punished. So I was told that because of sleeping with a guy (actually I did not, it too less then a few minutes for it to happen), my chances of getting a decent guy for marriage wise was slim to none. Oh I could have gotten a man who would cheat on me, and beat me up, but I did not want that type. The church I belong to now believes that once you confess your sin and amend your life, it is as if it never happened, but unless a miracle happens, I will still go to heaven with my tubes damaged and since in heaven we are to be like the angels of heaven neither giving or taking in marriage, the only chance for me to get a miracle baby by my own pregnancy is here on earth.
If I had gotten pregnant and bore a child after marriage, I would not have felt this way. And most of the doctors there were concerned about too many women getting pregnant and few were concerned with helping infertile women so I was against a stacked deck.
@ElicBxn (63638)
• United States
20 Jan 10
But you see, you are saying that the doctor did it INTENTIONALLY to ruin your chances of a singing career. I'm saying that he might've just been doing it the way he was trained at the time.
After all, before the "band-aid" surgeries, they would have to cut you open to get your gall bladder out - so things were different back when you had your surgery.
I know you've been out of that travesty of a religious institution for some time, but honestly, they still haunt your feelings and view of yourself by the way you talk about things.
As for how things were in the 1960's, well, I was 16 in most of 1970 so I don't really know if I could tell you how things were, I was a very sheltered child. But I DO know that my at least one of my classmates had to dropout and get married - you can guess why...
I have never made it a secret that I figured out where babies came from at 4 and because I didn't want one, I stayed away from the "daddies." I later learned the "mechanics" of the act, but I figured that if they never got closer than arms length, then nothing would happen - maybe it feels good - I don't know - I just knew that BABIES were more work that I was willing to do - remember in 1957 when my sister was born, mommies did ALL the work as far as I could see...
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Jan 10
suspenseful I really think that with a few exercises every day you can indeed strengthen your stomach muscles. I think most every woman who has had any kind of surgery on your abdomen has had some muscles cut but they do come back at once given a few
abdominal exercises. Unlike my shoulder joint , I fractured my shoulder several years back and had to have a shoulder joint replacement. I did not get back all the use of my left arm although I had extensive physical therapy. I really did w ork hard at it but no not all my muscles will move when I wish them to. however I have not had any problems with my abdominal muscles at all. Work on your stomach muscles and they will respond, there are mild exercises that strengthen your tummy muscles and they really do work. I can now breath with my tummy muscles much better so it should help your singing as well. good luck and God bless.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
20 Jan 10
Thanks I thought they were gone forever and that the reason the doctors did is was that they figured if I was a bad person, I should not be allowed to sing. I mean back in those days, people were rather unforgiving.
Could you give me some idea of specific exercises? I find that the crunches and the sit ups do not work that well for me as I cannot get up that high.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
30 Jan 10
That was what I think. For one thing, it was more popular then to prevent pregnancies. Abortions were just starting to become legal and it was also the time of free love and birth control. I had a funny feeling about him, but he was the only one who was a fertility doctor in the whole city and there was a long waiting list. Also there was still the feeling that if a woman was having s*x before marriage, she had to be punished and not allowed to reform or if she reformed, she still had to pay like not get a decent husband, have to marry a bad guy, etc. So with all these, it is a wonder that any woman who had a wild life as I did ever got pregnant. Now these women are rewarded. Yes, it was a bad time then.
@thedirtydiva (56)
• United States
19 Jan 10
I think you are able to re-train the muscles that you do have. If I had time in a studio with you then I would be able to help... All I can say is to bring your side abdominals into play. you want to push from the bottom of your lungs, not with your stomach necessarily... Good luck. I hope this is helpful.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
20 Jan 10
Thanks. I was told by my friend to push out my stomach muscles, but since I have not that strong ones, I will try with my side. But it seems that my voice is not helped that much. I cannot afford voice lessons right now as we have a large bill to pay and my husband is an invalid and needs help. I also wonder if there is an age limit on taking voice lessons.