Is this legal? Or invasion of privacy?
By lilwonders
@lilwonders456 (8214)
United States
January 22, 2010 12:33pm CST
A hospital in Tenn. is going to start testing all applicants for jobs for nicotine. And they won't hire anyone who smokes or tests positive for nicotine. Which also means if you are on the nicotine patch or chewing the gum to try and stop smoking that they won't hire you either. All existing employees will not be effected by this...but all future employees HAVE to be nonsmoking.
Does an employer have the right NOT to hire you for doing something that IS NOT illegal. It is not against the law to smoke. DO they have a right to say...even though this is not illegal...if you do it we won't hire you. Do they have a right to get involved with the decisions you make in your life? What do you think about this?
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
22 Jan 10
They said that smoking causes health problems....so as a hospital they want to cut down on the healthcare costs in this nation. They feel if it comes down to....get a job....or smoke...that people will pick the job and stop smoking.
I think this is stupid. What employees legally do in their off time from work is none of their employers business.
What next....do full phyicals on all applicants and anyone who is overweight...or has high blood preasure...or does not exercise an hour a day...they don't hire them.
At what point does an employer get to be involved in your private life and at what point do they need to be told to butt out.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
22 Jan 10
You are probly right annie. Corporate america seems to be able to do whatever it wants and no one hold them accountable for doing it.
But this is wrong. What you do in your personal life is none of your eomployers business...especially if it is not illegal.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
22 Jan 10
I'm not sure how to call this one. I guess it depends on the state labor laws. In a lot of states you can be fired or denied employment for a lot of reasons..up to and including "we just don't like you". Personaly i think what an employe does on their own time is their own business, whether it be smoking, toking, drinking, stripping or what have you. but people all over the place have been fired for all sorts of reasons that you wouldnt think were legal to fire someone over or deny employment to, but did in fact fall with in the boundries of the law.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
22 Jan 10
"At will" states...that is what they are called. Your boss can fire you "at will" and for any reason.
But I did not think you could discriminate during teh hiring process. At this hospital they are not going to fire their existing employees who smoke...they just are not going to hire anyone else who does.
There are more laws about the hiring process than there are about the firing process. I would guess Tenn. has laws making it illegal to fire them if they smoke...but ok to not hire them if they do.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
22 Jan 10
As far as I'm concerned they SHOULDN'T have the right but I seem to recall other employers - I forget what or where - doing the same thing; in fact, if I'm not mistaken, they may have said anyone working there who smokes now will have so much time to quit or they'll be fired. The made their usual claims, which I can say personal and from my personal observations are BS, that smokers are less productive, miss more time due to illness and cost companies that provide it more for health care.
I'm afraid in this "anti-little-people" climate the courts would rule in favor of the employers saying if they're not breaking current discrimination laws they can hire or fire whomever they want.
Annie
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
22 Jan 10
I have also heard of employers getting onto employees who are overweight and trying to make them loss the weight or fire them.
I don't think that should be legal either. What someone chooses to eat or how much is none of an employers business.
The lines between private and professional life are being blurred...now corporations think they have a right to tell you how you are going to live...or else you won't have a job.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
23 Jan 10
Personally, I don't feel they have a right to do this, and they should be sued by any applicant that was turned down for smoking. That's discriminatory and wrong.
As for the "reduced health care costs" schtick - smokers keep health care costs (related to insurance) low. This isn't about reducing health care costs - it's about imposing their anti-smoking mentality on others.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Jan 10
Why don't you feel they have that right? All hiring is discriminatory. There are only very specific groups you are not allowed to discriminate against and smokers have never been one of those groups. Companies are already able to discriminate against someone for being white, male, or young. Only women, minorities, and people over 40 are protected from discrimination unless specific state laws include other groups like people who are gay or obese.
Personally you're the first person I've ever heard say that smokers keep health care costs low. It's well accepted that it's an unhealthy habit that can lead to cancer.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
27 Jan 10
If I own a company, and it's my company, I can hire, or fire, whom ever I choose, based on whatever rational I choose. It's my company.
If you own a car, can you not choose whom you will, or will not allow to drive it? If you own a home, can't you choose who you will or will not allow in it?
If you want your lawn mowed, can't you choose whom you will or will not have mow it, regardless of whatever reasons you choose?
Of course. So if you don't like the rules, make your own company and hire whom ever you wish, for whatever reason you wish.
Btw, this has nothing to do with privacy. Smoking is a very public thing. You think no one else can smell the awful breath of a cig sucker?
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
22 Jan 10
Anti-discrimination laws cover specific groups...and smokers aren't one of them.
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@chiyosan (30183)
• Philippines
23 Jan 10
well i think it is just one of their policy, they are afterall a hospital and they should be promoting good health and i believe that is part of their campaign.
if they have been clear about it from the start then you should also be ready to accept that.
i don't think that is invasion of privacy the same way that they have only NOT accepted someone who smokes.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
23 Jan 10
I read about a hotel owner in Florida who said "When I found out it wasn't illegal to discriminate against smokers, I stopped hiring people who smoke". He fired employees if he saw them smoking off the property and on their own time. He also said that if it were legal to discriminate against fat people, he wouldn't hire them either.
And that's basically it. Society has deemed smokers and the overweight to be unacceptable and a lower class of citizen. They will ban smoking and smokers whenever and wherever they like. Smokers are 20% of the population, which is not enough to carry any political clout. It's easy to tax them, punish them, exile them and refuse them equal rights because the majority thinks they are low class people with no self-control and a dirty habit. They feel equal or worse things about fat people. That is why under rationed care, the overweight will be denied things like elective surgery. Smokers and the obese are already denied some medical services in countries with socialized medicine.
Welcome to the brave, new world. The hard, cold fact is that it is now our job to try never to fall into a category of people that the majority dislikes. Discrimination when it's "for our own good" is something society is moving towards. Like, umm... the health care bill that they wanted to force us to have because we weren't smart enough to figure out it was for our own good.
My level of disgust with the erosion of personal liberty in the U S grows daily and is now so full that I cannot explain it in mere words. It requires multiple obscene gestures to express.
@grammasnook (1871)
• United States
23 Jan 10
The next thing will be against what they call obese people. Then a ban on Mcdonalds and other fast food places.
@syankee525 (6261)
• United States
23 Jan 10
that is so dumb and wrong. i think they shouldnt be allow to do this
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
23 Jan 10
I believe that just as a smoker as a right to smoke since it isn't illegal, an employer has a right to hire or refuse to hire anyone they want.
@bulastika (5966)
• Philippines
23 Jan 10
Yes they can do that. But they can't fire you for that. If its a public hospital then its illegal but if its a private hospital its legal. First smoking is dangerous to your health. And as a hospital they must be the one to set an example.
Smoking is bad habit.
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Just think If theirs 100 applicants who will you choose if the have same credential?
The old person? the young person? social drinker? smoker? married or single?
If I'm an employer I will choose a young single person who don't drink and smoke.
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Then will the old person protest because we have same credential why choose him and not me. Same case with the drinker and smoker and married person.
Then I ask you who will you choose? Theirs 100 applicant and you only need one?
Logic dictates that you choose the best among the 100 applicants.
@shuyin101 (206)
• Philippines
23 Jan 10
Well I think they can do that. Employers are looking for certain criteria to their employees and it just happened to be a "non-smoker" criteria. And if you dont want your employer to get involved to the decisions that you make, you just have to quit.