There is no verse in Quran which tells to kill innocent people

Hi Frederick42. That is what has been on my mind. Ok. I'm not a Muslim and I refuse to convert to Islam--am I innocent? If I try to convert a Muslim to Christ (and note, btw, I did not say Christianity) am I innocent? At what point does one cease to be innocent?

hi fred, correct me if i am wrong .. islam religion was born in madinah?? many hindus were killed in india n temples were broken too ~ how does this happen ?? did the hindus travel to madinah n attacked them, maybe i missed it somewhere .. http://www.hinduholocaust.com/HinduHolocaustMuseum.htm yes ~ quran did not directly say kill people but what does it mean by "invade" http://www.hindutva.org/holocaust1.html 1. The idols were mutilated or smashed or burnt or melted down if they were made of precious metals; 2. Sculptures in relief on walls and pillars were disfigured or scraped away or torn down; 3. Idols of stone and inferior metals or their pieces were taken away, sometimes by cartloads, to be thrown down before the main mosque in (a) the metropolis of the ruling Muslim sultan and (b) The holy cities of Islam, particularly Mecca, Medina and Baghdad; 4. There were instances of idols being turned into lavatory seats or handed over to butchers to be used as weights while selling meat; 5. Brahmin priests and other holy men in and around the temple were molested or murdered; 6. Sacred vessels and scriptures used in worship were defiled and scattered or burnt: 7. Temples were damaged or despoiled or demolished or burnt down or converted into mosques with some structural alterations or entire mosques were raised on the same sites mostly with temple materials; 8. Cows were slaughtered on the temple sites so that Hindus could not use them again. ~ maybe the people who were doing did, done it without proper guidance ~ some Islamic movement should consider expaining Islam as what it was ment to be to their own Islam people cheers

Well, Well,Well,I do not know what to respond. In one response, you say, you are not a Muslim so you do not know about it.Then why have you started this discussion without knowing the facts. In fact Sanjana has given the correct response to you people. How is then that the Muslim fanatics from Pakistan attacked Mumbai on 26/11/08. There were a lot of innocent citizens who were killed by the Islamic terrorists in the name of their religion.Did the Muslim attack Mumbai in self defence. What did the Mumbaikars do the Muslims.Why must they kill the poor Jewish rabbi and his young pregnant wife. They have made a small baby as an oraphon. I can go on and on, but I feel this discussion is not correct without checking up your facts.

Excellent Post Frederick, Indeed there is no single verse in the Holy Quran which tell you to kill an innocent for any reason, in fact it is the message of All God-based religion, you can easily differentiate between Fight and Kill. All verses of war in the Holy Quran is about Fighting for self-defense and no single about killing an innocent, unless a verse is taken out of Its context or misinterpreted. it is the same message in the Quran and the Bible, but when a Book is corrupted you can easily find some verses that not about God at all. One Message for All ========================== [005:032] For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth. as you see, it was also decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever kill an innocent, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind. but when you read the Bible you can find killing innocent people for no reason, and it is also considered God's commands !!! Fighting and killing =========================== Numbers 31:17-18 [i]( 17 ) Now kill all the boys [Innocent Kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, ( 18 ) but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.[/i] and it was God's commandment as mentioned in Numbers 31:7 !! Clearly this is not what was decreed for the Children of Israel as stated in the Quranic verse above. In the Holy Quran [002:190] [i]Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! [u]Allah loveth not aggressors[/u].[/i] The bible orders killing of women and children indiscriminately- unlike the Quran orders the killing those who fight you. even at the time of war and conflict; Muhammad ordered his troops not to kill any woman any child any old people any priests praying in their synagogues Not to cut any tree or kill any animal, only fight those who fight you What if your enemy inclined to peace ? ============================================ Tho Holy Quran [008:061] And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He, even He, is the Hearer, the Knower. [004:094] [i]O ye who believe! When ye go forth (to fight) in the way of Allah, be careful to discriminate, and say not unto one who offereth you peace: "Thou art not a believer," seeking the chance profits of this life (so that ye may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils. Even thus (as he now is) were ye before; but Allah hath since then been gracious unto you. Therefore take care to discriminate. Allah is ever Informed of what ye do. [/i] in the Bible Deuteronomy 20:10-17 [i]( 10 ) When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. ( 11 ) If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. ( 12 ) If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. ( 13 ) When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. ( 14 ) As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. ( 15 ) This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. ( 16 ) However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. ( 17 ) Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the LORD your God has commanded you.[/i] There was no Other Choice with Moses, Accept his "peace" to be his slave, Refuse His "Peace" to be His victim!! and since Christians also think that this is God's commands to Moses, Then they must admit that it was Jesus who commanded Moses to Do All of this, since they think that Jesus is the God of Both the Old testament and the New testament, otherwise they are talking about another God and therefore they are indulged in Paganism. Excellent Post Best Regards

No religion wutsoever tells people to kill innocent people. ANd yeah your right. The prophet also says that if you kill one innocent person it is as if you have killed all of humanity.

Yeah.. it's not written in Quran.. Terrorism is even prohibited in Islam.. I knew it because in our Philosophy I was asked to study the Islam Philosophy.. they say that those Muslim who practices Terrorism is not really an Islam in their hearts since they are not following what Allah had said.. but one thing I learned about Islam Philosophy that I don't really like is that only Islam will be saved.. other religions will not.. so if one Islam will convert to another religion.. a punishment is waiting for that person...