Why don't republicans understand Health Care?

Nice to see that you feel the constitution is something to "LOL" at.

Why shouldn't it be taskr? Over the past 10 years we've seen it been made a complete mockery or need I remind you of the Patriot Act?

Can you ever think of anything besides "Bush did it too?" Is he your role model? Clearly he is Obama's as evidenced by the way Obama is embracing his policies including the Patriot Act.

Simple but true for many Republicans! Annie

My point is valid, you just don't understand my point. The US is the lone super power because we know how to deal with adversity. You see US corporations losing market share to foreign corporation in sectors that we once dominated. We may be the lone super power today, but what about tomorrow? We may have the most advanced industry sector, but we don't manufacture anything here anymore, so what does that say? We may have the most advanced health care system, but we rank lower than countries that spend a quarter of what we do in many health care areas. You still have yet to answer my question of why should US corporations shoulder the burden of the most expensive health care system in the world?

Healthcare is not a right, when some people are getting it for nothing at the expense of other people who work hard. I don't want even more taxes being taken out to provide more stuff for people who are lazy and sit on their duffs all day while I work hard paying for it. and it is not a right, but an obligation, when you are forced to get it even when you don't want it or can't afford it, with jail and fines being the penalty.

We aren't the lone superpower. Among superpowers, the strongest currencies are in the European Union. If we had the strongest industry sector, a Belgian company wouldn't have bought Budweiser last year and the Chinese wouldn't have the fastest growing economy in the world. I lived in Belgium last year. People in Europe couldn't imagine not having the right to healthcare. They pay higher taxes and higher social security contributions, but they have universal healthcare, stronger worker protection, a social safety net if they were to be out of work and free higher education. And this is a country the size of a small US State with less industry, less resources, and a less reliable government structure. US corporations are moving more and more to self-paying models, meaning that they ARE bearing the cost of the healthcare costs directly. This means that sick employees and old employees make expensive employees. So, what happens to them? Oftentimes, they get laid off and lose their healthcare, spend a year applying for SSI Disability, another 2 years waiting on Medicare, and all the while weighing into the costs of healthcare in this country because they can't afford to pay for their bills. Let's not forget the millions of Americans who just cannot afford health insurance or who are not employed. How can we call ourselves the greatest country in the world when we're so calous that we're content to let millions go without adequate healthcare. On what planet does it make sense to only provide affordable health insurance through an employer?

"Insurance companies are paying those guys off big time" Democrats including Obama are the ones being paid off big time. This bill would FORCE people to buy insurance from the insurance companies guaranteeing them billions of dollars in income. "If the People had stood firmly behind President Obama, and supported him all the way, the USA would have a health care plan in effect right now!" You have no idea what you're talking about. This bill would tax you for about 4 years to pay for this plan before it even went into effect. There was NEVER a plan for this plan to be in effect immediately. You'd be waiting FOUR YEARS and you'd watch your taxes skyrocket while waiting.

Our taxes are actually going down. Anyone who's not rich will be able to see it when he fills out his tax return. Republicans have always been on the side of big business and the greedy. These are some of the greediest Scrooges the world has ever seen and President Obama is trying to look out for the small guy. But the far left wing liberals with their need to included abortion and conservatives with their need to pander to the greed of the insurance companies are getting in the way of we the people who need health insurance.

I don't know weather our taxes went down or not, I do know that I will be owing more money this year than I have ever owed before!! ya see, for some of us, that great tax cut obama decided to give us, well, now that it's tax time, he wants it back!!!

LMFAO, and republicans are all about freedom of choice, RIGHT? Your party doesn't believe that Americans should have the RIGHT to choose about ABORTION, RIGHT? Supporting a war in Iraq was shoved down my throat, and MY tax dollars were thrown away fighting that war. The reason that people need to have someone watching over them is because they can't be trusted to not destroy the world. Just look at the banking industry that needed Socialism to rescue their industry from complete destruction, and the US economy. Please tell me that you think that the banking industry doesn't need to be regulated. I really want you to tell me you do.

Nobody "needs" Socialism. It would have been better for the government to let the banks and Wall Strret and the auto industry to go bankrupt, so that we could start from scratch and get rid of all the coruption. Sure, there would have been a lot of suffering, but at least we'd still have a free country and when everything came back together, a much stronger one. People need to take some responsibility for themselves, and not look to big government to solve all their problems. Liberty is priceless, and once it's taken away, it is almost impossible to get it back.

"Nobody "needs" Socialism. It would have been better for the government to let the banks and Wall Strret and the auto industry to go bankrupt, so that we could start from scratch and get rid of all the coruption." You have no idea what would have happened if we would have done what you THINK was best. If we lived with a capitalist form of government there never would have been the money to bailout both Wall Street and the Auto Industry. Do you realize how many people would have been unemployed? About 21% according the the former administration (You remember your buddy George W. Bush, who TOLD us we NEEDED this bailout). Not to mention the fact that over half of the mortgages in the country would not be valid meaning that they could be called at anytime. Does this sound good to you? If you actually do some research and look up the facts you would be amazed at what you AREN'T told on right wing hate radio. I wonder why they don't tell you all of the facts (if any of them). "Sure, there would have been a lot of suffering, but at least we'd still have a free country and when everything came back together, a much stronger one." How would it be stronger when we would still have corrupt politicians running the country, and we would have a collapsed economic system. You actually think this is a good idea? "People need to take some responsibility for themselves, and not look to big government to solve all their problems. Liberty is priceless, and once it's taken away, it is almost impossible to get it back." I agree that people need to take responsibility for their actions. When you talk about Liberty, I wonder where you were when the PATRIOT ACT was passed? I guess Liberty is only important when a republican isn't is office.

Taskr, Do you really think that GM and GE WANT to spent over a BILLION dollars a year on health care instead of increasing their profits? I understand you point about people staying for health care, but that is because many companies have HSA's, or I call them Bush babies (for which I am one, and wish Bush would have taken his health care plan in shove it up his a$$). But, wouldn't it be better for everyone else if your health care didn't depend on who your employer is? This way you would have people who work at place that they enjoy, instead of staying their because of health care. You are correct that they pay taxes instead of health care, but find me a foreign corporation that doesn't receive subsidies from their government. Toyota, and Honda receive money every year from the government of Japan just because. You are correct about the difference between Chinese workers, and American workers, but this is why we need mirror trading to either open up markets, or create fair trade practices for EVERYONE, not just the Chinese.

I think that both party is more worried about their jobs than the reason we put them there. I don't think one person votes for a candidate because we want them to have A job, we want them to vote in our best interest. The problem is that they only vote in THEIR best interest. When it comes to health care, Obama ran on single payer health care, if you are shocked that he wants to do it, then you didn't pay attention. Obama won the election by a wide margin, even more than Bush in 2004 when he claimed the American people gave him a "mandate". We need health care reform before you have to take out a mortgage (good luck getting one today) to pay for a broken bone. Please show me where it says in the constitution that I have the RIGHT to guy an elected official? Yet, we all know that it happens everyday, and I have proof to it happening and no one doing a thing about it. Just because something is, or isn't in the constitution doesn't make it right or justified. By the way, it was a REPUBLICAN that created the PATRIOT ACT, which violated many sections of the constitution, and I never heard ONE Republican complain about that when Bush pushed it through congress.

One of the reasons for the cost increase is not dealt with in the Administrations plan. Tort Reform. One example was given in Texas befroe trot reform, the Dr. Bill for delivering a baby was $3,000, with $2,000 going to pay for MalPractice insurance. Now with tort reform in TX more Dr are moving in and establishing a practice. More Dr means lower costs. Reduced Malpractice Insurance means lower costs. I have found many Drs who offer deep discounts for pre payment of services. By expanding Medical Savings account people would be able to pre pay for most services. A friend of mine has a small business and can have Medical Savings Accounts (MSA) for his employees. He offeres a medical insurance with a $3,000 deductable and 100% copayment after the deductable is met. He then puts money (not the full $3,000) into each employees MSA each year. His employees have more control over their medical decisions and better coverage. Employees as have the ablity to contribute to a flex benefits plan and left over money can be placed itno the MSA, with limits. The employer has lower cost for Health Insurance.

"One of the reasons for the cost increase is not dealt with in the Administrations plan. Tort Reform." Malpractice insurance is a huge problem, but no one wants to fix it. Doctors complain about it, but they realize that there are bad doctors, and they don't want more regulations limiting their actions after an accident. When these accidents happen we need to punish those that commit these acts, although I agree that some of these lawsuits are excessive. If the AMA would just handle this themselves this wouldn't be such a big problem, but they WON'T. Then you have the major cause of excessive malpractice rates: The insurance companies!! Malpractice insurance started to sky rocket right around 2001, see the insurance companies lost billions in the stock market right after 9/11, but they didn't want the public to know about it. So they just raised rates to make up for their lack of governance when it came to handling other peoples money. The other problem is our political system that is driven by money instead of where someone stands, and lawyers, and insurance companies are HUGE contributors to BOTH parties. "One example was given in Texas befroe trot reform, the Dr. Bill for delivering a baby was $3,000, with $2,000 going to pay for MalPractice insurance. Now with tort reform in TX more Dr are moving in and establishing a practice. More Dr means lower costs. Reduced Malpractice Insurance means lower costs." Texas is horrible example of health insurance reform, they have the lowest regulation, and the highest percentage of people with NO insurance. I think it would be funny to see how many of those doctors that are moving there have had "accidents" in the last 10 years, and are just going there because they can't practice anywhere else. "I have found many Drs who offer deep discounts for pre payment of services. By expanding Medical Savings account people would be able to pre pay for most services. A friend of mine has a small business and can have Medical Savings Accounts (MSA) for his employees. He offeres a medical insurance with a $3,000 deductable and 100% copayment after the deductable is met. He then puts money (not the full $3,000) into each employees MSA each year. His employees have more control over their medical decisions and better coverage. Employees as have the ablity to contribute to a flex benefits plan and left over money can be placed itno the MSA, with limits. The employer has lower cost for Health Insurance." I have an HSA (health savings account), and it is horrible. It isn't health insurance it is a discount on health care, a very very small discount at that. This was a horrible idea that Bush had to take the burden of health care and pass it on to the employee instead of the employer. The problem is that the insurance part of this is a only for major procedures, and anything else is just a minor discount. Your friend likes because he doesn't have to care for his employees, and watch your friends employee turn over rates in the next few years. My company has seen a huge increase and over 60% of our employees said they would leave because their health care is to high. People don't make better decision with a plan like this, they just don't go to the doctor because it is to expensive. Does your friend use this plan to? Many companies that offer these plans, have a second plan for management because they are so bad. Do you have one of these plans? If this is such a great plan, then why don't you get one. You can see how much they SUCK.