Is forgiving a stranger easier than forgiving people close to you ?

@vandana7 (100300)
India
February 4, 2010 3:49pm CST
For same flaws. I think so. :) Do you? I think I have a higher bar for my friends / family members - I have more expectations from them. And when they fail, I can hold them in contempt. But if the samething is done by a stranger, I tend to be rather forgiving! Have you noticed any such dual standards in your nature?
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@donsky14 (5947)
• Philippines
4 Feb 10
Hmmm...I think for me, its easier to forgive people who are close to me...cause I want to keep our friendship/relationship. So I try to understand them when they do some stuff that I don't like.
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@donsky14 (5947)
• Philippines
5 Feb 10
Meaning to say, you would rather lose your relatives than a stranger?
@vandana7 (100300)
• India
6 Feb 10
Its like this. If a stranger drinks and beats up his wife, but he meets me at a marriage function, I would smile be nice, and not think twice about it. But if my uncle does that to his wife, I would be turning away from him. Got it? This is a random example. I have forgiven and forgotten the hurt from strangers, but those who have been closer, I have developed a dislike for them - therefore, with strangers it is indifference, with family and close friends, it swings to the opposite end.
@vandana7 (100300)
• India
4 Feb 10
You mean to say if your relative hit you hard, you would forgive because of the "relationship", whereas if you saw a stranger hitting his children, you would not be as forgiving?
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
5 Feb 10
Well, I would not put it as "flaws" becasue I normally do not worry about the flaws of other people as long as this does not impact me.FOr eg, if someone is to be moody or illtempered or jittery and nervous ,breathing down on someone's neck,I will get boiling mad if it is anybody ,if the boorishnes is shown to me..I would not allow friends to get so close and irritate me nor would I normally allow relatives to do this. If somehting does not impact me or my loved ones then it is not my concern and the rule is 'each to one's own" be it relatives, close people or friends or strangers. i WILL BE UPSET WHOEVER DOES THIS TO ME-if it close people I will be hurt ; if it si outsiders I will get angry.I will keep away from both.
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• Philippines
5 Feb 10
I guess it's easier to forgive strangers because there isn't a deep relationship between you to. There is no bond nor trust to be broken. We have a harder time forgiving our friends because we expect a lot from them.
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@vandana7 (100300)
• India
11 Feb 10
Yes, I have to agree with you there. There is no deeper relationship. No trust broken - you said it. Expectations yes. We do. You are quite like me. :)
@zhouxi (1752)
• China
5 Feb 10
yes, to most of us,though we always think we are open mind and kind.but we usually are strict to our family members and friends.especially to our partner.because we alway hope them to do better and better.the bigger your wishes, the more your disappointed.
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@zhouxi (1752)
• China
5 Feb 10
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@vandana7 (100300)
• India
5 Feb 10
Hi zhouxi I noticed this about me. I think I have double standards. But they may not be so. The thing is we know people we love rather closely. Therefore, we can understand the ins and outs there, and may be we are influenced slightly by their previous mistakes. We dont know strangers that well, therefore, we are indifferent to their mistakes, and in any event we dont have to put up with them for long so we move on. When the stranger torments somebody else other than us, then we also we tend to forgive the person as long as he or she is good to us! That I think is wrong in me. :)
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• China
5 Feb 10
It is a good question. I have had the same feeling as yours, i can forgive a stranger more easyer because what a stranger do or say is not important to me and i really don't care about it. Only the people close to me can give me a real hurt.
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@vandana7 (100300)
• India
11 Feb 10
I too find it easier to forgive strangers. But of course, it depends upon the kind of hurt! If the hurt is comparable and emotional I think stranger would be easier to forgive. If the hurt is comparable and financial - and does not lead to any emotional issues - then again stranger is easily forgiven. But if the emotional problems are not there because of it, then may be forgiving comes far more easily.
@diyonzi (116)
• Philippines
5 Feb 10
It depends on the gravity of what they did. I think it's easier to forgive strangers when they have wronged you because you don't really care much about them and you won't easily get affected. However when they're people close to you.. that's kinda hard to get over with because in general, people don't really hurt the ones they love. There's this feeling of betrayal when the very people you trust or turn to when you have problems are the same ones who would hurt you. They are your comfort zones and without them you feel more alone and secluded.
@vandana7 (100300)
• India
11 Feb 10
I cant add more to this, can I? You said it all. :)
@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
5 Feb 10
vandana....with me, it is only because I have a lot of time and effort in the friendship.....and nothing invested in a stranger! The stranger, it is easy to write them off, but with a friend I have the obligation of trying to understand! I do not think of it as a dual standard...you have emotions invested in a friend..and not a stranger. Cheers!
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• Canada
7 Feb 10
I think, dear lady...that is the gist of how I feel!
@vandana7 (100300)
• India
7 Feb 10
Hi pergammano, is it because of the time and love we feel for our friends and relatives or is it because we have their past record with us, and are being judgmental? At times, I think I am judgmental, at other times I think I am selfish. I feel selfish because when I need some help from these friends and relatives, I dont feel any qualms asking them for favors, but when it comes to their wrong doings, it seems so difficult to overlook them. :( They too must feel the same way about me of course. :) When it comes to strangers, its like what have I to lose or what have I lost. :) That of course, is when the stranger has not hurt me. :) Even when the stranger hurts that hurt cannot go beyond a certain point.
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@thuhuong (823)
• United States
5 Feb 10
Yes! Very much as I know that it's also because of coming into contact everyday customers let's say for example. Forgiveness makes working together easier. If I were to put everything that a customer says in my head or take every little word they say in the wrong way, I may lose my job and have a hard time getting along with my peers as they may think that I'm argumentative. For family, just like you, knowing them better I would encourage and push them more than someone I do not know well.
@vandana7 (100300)
• India
11 Feb 10
Yes, many people are like that. :) There are a few who differ though. :) I think may be they are viewing it in relation to the magnitude. :) If the magnitude of hurt is more because of a relative or close friend then it becomes difficult to forgive because we have to face them everyday.
• Philippines
5 Feb 10
yeah, most of the times since they are strangers which mean I often see rarely or just a short arguments and eventually any misunderstanding ensued would be resolve immediately since their is no blood ties connection. In case of relatives or close kin their are many instances they are repeat offenders and their are times that you may forgive them or in my case forgive them but not forgotten since they tend to abuse my kindness and the privilege I gives to them just simply saying sorry or talking to me nicely i am easy forgive them which lead for them to repeat since they already know my me as easy to forget and forget their slight blunder.. In case of biggest offense committed by them against me only time would tell if I could forgive them but I would still maintain to be civil to them despite of the feeling of being offended despite the differences were still connected by blood ties only heighten the gaps with the unfair biases treatment which often result in some sort of misunderstanding.
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@vandana7 (100300)
• India
8 Feb 10
Ok here is another perspective I may not be forgiving my folks because they are constantly in front of me and everytime I see them I am reminded of the hurt! I can harass my folks far more easily as as they cant leave the house, unlike the stranger, who can be out of my sight, house, and life most of the time. Outsiders would not know the brawls I am capable of at home. If I behaved like that with strangers, the whole town would be able to witness that and I would lose my dignity. I feel I did so much for this family member so he or she should at least not hurt me! I am aware that he or she has been bad in the past, so I think he or she simply cant change for better! I could cite many reasons like this neelianoscet. It makes me suspect myself. Whether indeed it is my ulterior motive that makes me adjust to my folks, or my love. :( I'd like to believe it is because of love.
@hagirl (1295)
• United States
5 Feb 10
I think so sometimes... Even though you love your significant other when you fight it hits the heart and a stranger does not get close to the heart just the pride....
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@hagirl (1295)
• United States
6 Feb 10
I think alot of us do that...we all can't have multiple personality....I also think family members are easier to talk to then strangers when times get tough
@vandana7 (100300)
• India
6 Feb 10
Why does it happen? We spend ages thinking of the harsh words somebody close uttered, and fret and fume whereas after an initial bout of anger against a stranger, we tend to become indifferent to the issue. :( So may be the heart does exist. :) I also find it strange - if a stranger is nice and polite with me, but he is mean to somebody else, I might still continue to be acknowledge his presence, and continue his acquaintaince. But the same thing if a family member had done I would nag him no end! Is it hypocrisy? Or do I have multiple personality disorder? he he. May be friendship with ulterior motive. :( Doesn't speak very highly of me, does it? So do you condemn the act or the actor?
@l33tgirl (288)
• New Zealand
4 Feb 10
I think everyone has a harder time forgiving people we are close to. We don't really expect anything from strangers and so when they let us down it is less hurtful.
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@vandana7 (100300)
• India
5 Feb 10
I agree with you. But do you think it is because we know all the drawbacks and past mistakes of the people who are close to us that is behind this unforgiving nature?
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@sunnycool (12714)
• India
5 Feb 10
well if i were to be betrayed by any of my friends then they would be out of my way for sure---coz if he could lie to me today then he is capable of doing anything and every thing against me in the future so its pretty difficult to forgive them.coming to the strangers i do not give them a chance to do anything bad to me so there is no way i had to forgive them and i never had any experiences to share about them though.great day.
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@vandana7 (100300)
• India
6 Feb 10
Once bitten twice shy? Yeah, me too! But it is my personal observation about me - when a stranger is polite with me, and he gambles away his monies, I am likely to still smile and say hello how are you doing to him. But if the same thing is done by my family member, I would banish the person coming to my house!
• India
5 Feb 10
We are human being and added is something when we are emotional for any reason. I prefer to forgive everyone for first time but if its repeated than probably will have to separate myself from his/her actions. Sometimes not forgiving works better then forgiving. So my first option would be forgive and again if repeated, let him/her go their way and learn lessons which might come to them in a very hard/strange way, they might realize their mistake and back on track. I do not have double standard for anyone at least in this case for sure:)
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@vandana7 (100300)
• India
11 Feb 10
Hi AjaySinghBaghel, different people behave differently. For some forgiveness the first time works, others take a bit longer. But some are incorrigible. Based on my experience in life, I felt explaining explicitly might be the solution. But I noticed there are shrewd ones around as well, who think those rules apply to others and not to them. Such shrewd people may be family or friends. So if you are in contact with such people, you have little choice but to be a bad person by standing firmly on what you believe in. :)
@tomford (135)
• Richmond, Virginia
19 Oct 15
the reason behind this is you have no attachment to strangers, no emotional bond, you don't depend on a stranger to be there for you. a betrayal by a friend hurts because it makes you question your own thinking on why they were ever your friend or if someone cares about you how can they treat you so shabbily.
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@vandana7 (100300)
• India
19 Oct 15
So we demand more from people we say we love? :) Sounds like a bad bargain I think. :) Everybody would want to flee such "bonds", don't you think?
• Malaysia
5 Feb 10
hi i do not know why i really can not forgive .. i can pretend as though it does not matter but i cant even forget ~ no matter if it is friend or family ... I dont set much expectation onto family members at all, i will only set at the limit where i think they are able to support only, more of emotional support only I did have high expectations from my husband during the years he was my lover (16 years) but i learned to set it lower as it was really painful and i could not forgive when he went against them .. Now, when he does things it just surprises me ... as he goes more than what i epected
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@vandana7 (100300)
• India
5 Feb 10
Hi sanjana_aslam, the harder we try to forgive, the more difficult it becomes. :) Forgiveness can only come when we fill our mind with other pleasant thoughts. For that you do have to look at other positive things in your life. You could even think of your future to sooth those nerves. And remember, it is not mandatory that you forgive! You can dislike a person. That is perfectly alright. As long as you can control your need to harm the parson, physically, financially, or emotionally, that is fair enough level of forgiveness as far as I can understand. Glad to note that your husband is able to fulfil some of your long cherished desires. :)
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@yugasini (12893)
• Secunderabad, India
6 Feb 10
hi vandana madam, that is common in human beings,it is in you and in me and in all persons of the world and even in the animals also,every body is having this type of mentality,there is no exception for this in everybody,i too will follow you in this matter,have a nice day
@yugasini (12893)
• Secunderabad, India
7 Feb 10
hi vandana madam, thanks for the comment,i am not that following,just i am also doing just like and all other human beings are doing,not the system was get repaired,i know a netcafe person,he is very familiar to me i am his regular coustomer ,whenever my computer is off,have a nice day t
@vandana7 (100300)
• India
7 Feb 10
That is very sweet of you yugasini. :) But I dont want to be followed! I am just seeking an answer, if some of you are like that. :) If so, what could be the right thing to do. :) You too have a nice day. :) How is your computer now. :)
@kiran8 (15348)
• Mangalore, India
5 Feb 10
Hi vandana, I suppose so...Strangers are after all strangers and one is not too bothered by anything they do. if it is something really serious then you don't even mind taking some action against them.But when it comes to someone close to you, things are totally different.I would feel let down no doubt, but would try my best to see how things got that way ....
@kiran8 (15348)
• Mangalore, India
6 Feb 10
I suppose so vandana, I think we all become creatures of habit and to a certain amount become rigid in our attitudes as we grow older.I haveseen some people going to the extent of never talking to a family member right until the end, and I feel that is not fair...People do make mistakes and I persoanlly feel that over a perdiod of time we tend to forget,forgive and move on.....
@vandana7 (100300)
• India
7 Feb 10
If so, we dont really qualify as caring people do we? :( We are into it just for some financial or social arrangements - nothing else!
@vandana7 (100300)
• India
6 Feb 10
Hi kiran, yeah that is the way I am and I think. :) I might even be civil with the stranger, notwithstanding the fact that he would have physically abused his kids. But if my family member did that, I would up with arms. :) Do you think it is because we know the ins and outs of our family member and we are letting those past "bad behavioral patterns" influence us like some sort of criminal records?
@jambi462 (4576)
• United States
4 Feb 10
No that doesn't really make any sense to me. If my friends wrong me I will try and look past it because relationships are too precious too let a friendship slip away when you could do something about it.
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@vandana7 (100300)
• India
4 Feb 10
Ok - hypothetical question - your friend hits you really hard, would you forgive him? But somebody whom you come to know later and though there is no relationship per se, you enjoy his or her friendship. Now this person hits a friend of his. Would you cut your friendship with both these violent people, or only with your friend, or only with the stranger, or remain friendly with both of them.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
4 Feb 10
Hi Dana Yes, I believe forgiving a stranger is easier, simply because we do not know what to expect from them. But when wronged or harmed by a loved one...that is NOT expected and hurts much more. Possible, though, with time and effort to forgive anyone. Karen
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@vandana7 (100300)
• India
4 Feb 10
Do you think it is because we know their other flaws - sort of criminal record? he he.
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• Philippines
5 Feb 10
Well for me it depends on the weight of the sin... But if both stranger and close friend or family did the same bad thing to me, I think I would rather forgive my close friend or family... Because there is strong foundation between us, unlike with stranger... I would also think and feel that the stranger does't have the right to do such thing to me... I mean how dare him to do bad things on me... we are not even close...
@vandana7 (100300)
• India
7 Feb 10
Hi lovelyn_medrano, I have already mentioned the flaws are equal. Therefore, your reactions to a person who cheats you of 50000 dollars, and a family member who spends away equal amount on gambling. Who would you hate more? :)
• Philippines
7 Feb 10
I think I would hate them both... And I would run after them... Oh boy! 50000 dollars is A BIG MONEY!!! I will not just hate them but also sue them... They need to pay and learn their lesson... Both of them will suffer, irregardless whether I know him personally or not... Like I said, it depends on the weight of the sin... And that thing is hard to just passed... In time I would learn to forgive but the forgiveness will definitely takes time... --for both of them.
• Philippines
5 Feb 10
To add on, maybe we just think that it is easier to forgive a stranger because we wont see him again or bump into him... when in fact we are still unable to forgive the person but forget about him and his action he did because there is no chance of seeing him again...