Am I a bad person or just bad luck?
By bonnie
@bunnybon7 (50973)
Holiday, Florida
February 15, 2010 3:11pm CST
I suppose I really need to work on my negativity. Friends here that have read my past discussions know how badly sons ex treated me and they've mostly been sympathetic. The strange thing is that when son got lonely he met a lady online from N.Y. its like thousands of miles from here. that has a little boy 6 yrs and they are visiting for a week to see how we get on. shes a marvelous cook and very sweet, BUT, she spoils her son beyond belief. she says he has ADHD but i see no difference in him then my boys when they were small and Im begining to suspect its a catch all for anything she lets him get away with. I generally get along famously with kids. more so then adults. maybe its just because i've raised my 5 and am now very impatient with one you cant love,play with, then send home? she says hes very sensitive and she dont want him afraid of anything. I think shes just being wayyyyy to protective. now im begining to worry that im the one thats just mean. Like for instance, i have to watch what I say. she got very upset because i asked her if she would make sure the windows and doors shes opened are locked before she goes to bed. he was near by and she said I should never say things like that in front of him!!??geesh. She said she wants him to feel safe, not like someone would come in. then yesterday I said this stupid computer and it was something like a bad word to her in front of him. I guess a lot of adjustments are going to have to be made and im trying. Do you think im being unreasonable to say shes way to protective? so, theres an update as to how the visit is going.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
15 Feb 10
Hi Bunny
I think for a start she should make him aware of the Dangers lurking outside
I am sorry but if I asked her to make sure all is locked up and she would have given me that answer I would not have been impressed and told her that she needs to be aware and so does the Child that there is danger out there as she is running the risk of letting the Danger become more of a Danger
Also she needs to respect your wishes in your House
She has to stop protecting him like she does as the Boy will get a shock when he gets into the World and it will hit him hard
He also sounds very spoilt he is 6 already and I can see this turning out not good as he does not seem to be rectified or anything like that
So no it is not you at all
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
15 Feb 10
the worst part is, given my experience with kids, I really thought id get on much better with him then the mom. I really like her otherwise with all other respects. I felt very sorry for her last night as my son has a tendency to say what I say to him and she had a crying meltdown over it. I really think its going to be some BIG adjustments if I want to see him happy. we had a long talk after the little one went to sleep and she said she understood but had a lot of issues over another relationship and thats the problem. Like I told her, we all have a lot of baggage here and we just really need to look toward future and leave the past. dont know if I got through to her
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
15 Feb 10
yep im trying to keep up with this "sons gf's" saga for my friends here
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
16 Feb 10
Sounds like to me u are going to have another problem if she sticks around. I think many people use the excuse of not making their children mind. he needs to be aware of being careful w/windows, doors or whatever. If stupid is the worse word he ever hears she will be lucky. I'm sorry things aren't going well but it might as well all come out while she's there. It's your home not hers & u have a right to say what u want. Girls are sonmething else nowadays, believe me i know . I have 2 daughter-in-laws that tick me off sometimes. i'm sure i do them to but that's their problem.
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
17 Feb 10
thats pretty funny. i like your attitude its their problem. yes, im begining to get that same attitude. with all the crazies my sons taking up with. im starting to prepare myself to just say to her "ask me do I care!!"
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
17 Feb 10
Hang in there bon. Might as well get it all out in the open to start with. Surprises can not be good sometimes. Good luck.
@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
15 Feb 10
This isn't what you want to hear but it is my opinion and it is the way I Think this is going to happen.
I can see where this lovely little boy is going to be what starts and ends most problems that will arise between your son and this lovely lady.
This does not mean the mom or the child are bad people but let me tell you I know first hand what it's like in second relationships where children re concerned and face it what would you Not do for your kids.
They're in what I call the honeymoon stage right now and because your son was raised the way he was this whole new experience will get old real soon, because it sounds like this is one of those what I call modern day mothers and that is a whole different situation. I wish them well I really do.
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
15 Feb 10
yes I think you may be right but hopefully it wont get really bad for them. he is still quite young and possibley we can have some influence on her outlook about things. Im trying to be patient and understanding about it all as this is her first, last, and only child she will likely have. shes 47yrs and didnt even become pregnant until she was 41 because of fibroids. so, im trying to be as understanding of that as I can. I see you are a grandma from your name, so you know about these things. funny, i was just thinking that earlier, that this is the honeymoon stage. we will see. im praying for sons sake it turns out ok.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
15 Feb 10
ADHD is used way too much! Normal little boys are being medicated because they are too active, etc. I'm sure a doctor has given her that diagnosis--you can't change that attitude. And naturally she wants her boy not to be afraid and feel safe--he's only 6. I think you might be over reacting a little. It's a big change for you to have a young one around that you can't send home, especially one that you don't know.
See if it works out for your son and this woman. If it does, then you can set some ground rules and build a relationship. In the meantime, ask her privately to lock the windows in order to keep her son safe with everyone else.
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
16 Feb 10
she doesnt give him meds and i do agree with what you say about that. iam adjusting but i mentioned something else today without thinking and she approached my son about that. she is just going to need to be patient with me a little also. iam trying. iam not over reacting. she is the one thats not leaving it go. then mentions it to son when he comes home from work. im just going to let it go, do the best i can with it and hope it works out. i have a feeling it wont be me that messes up the relationship. i just keep telling son hes in to much hurry to get into one again. oh well, we will see.
@celticeagle (167015)
• Boise, Idaho
16 Feb 10
In any new relationship there are plenty of ajustments to make. And in all parents there is a bit of spoilage going on. Hehehe. I think if it isn't a major thing I would over look it. He is the one who is in the relationship and if it doesn't bother him then I wouldn't go there. And, we can all improve our language and the words we chose to use. I can see where the word stupid could be hurtful. I think she is a little over protective but what are ya gunna do? Make a big fight? Or live and let live. Everyone raises their kids differently and I for one would certain not like to be repromanded or told how to raise my kids. I get help when I need it and I ask for opinions on my parenting skills at times. Stupid is a bad word! And we can all be more positive. I just fight the big fight. And by that I mean if it isn't a big deal I TRY to overlook it and move on. Life is short. People are only human. Mothers are unique and sensitive.
@celticeagle (167015)
• Boise, Idaho
18 Feb 10
I obviously don't get the full gist of what you must be going through. I have heard of such things happending alot. There is so many different aspects here. Isn't the house yours? Isn't she coming in on your turf? Isn't there usually a rule that when you live under another person's roof you go by their house rules. I have family meetings in my household all the time because people don't seem to like to stay with the rules. I would set some. If she is the type to go to him on everything then maybe they need to get a place of their own so they can do as they please. I am sort of going through the same thing here. Its no picnic!
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
19 Feb 10
so sorry i didnt make it all clear. well, when he had me come live here, its his house hes buying. he begged me come live here and help with mortgage, etc. and he could be here if i got sick or needed something. then his gf at the time (the ex) also said shed love to have me here and we'd all be so happy together. but when i was stupid enough to do it, she made my life miserable. son threw her out, then, he got lonely. so, hence the new one. all i can do is see if its gonna work and if not move again...uuugghh
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
17 Feb 10
you dont get it. i was trying to over look it and leave it go and i did but when my son came home, she did the same thing the other one did and guess what shes still doing it. she goes to him in private and approaches the whole thing makeing a big deal out of it herself. thats ok but if we end up living all in the same house together am i supposed be afraid of every word or jesture i make? no, we didnt fight over it. she just got son upset so he'd come to me and ask me to refrain from certain words and things. i dont care how she raises her kid but she cant expect me to walk on eggshells myself. if im so bad then she better consider if she wants the kid around me and proceed accordingly.
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@trruk1 (1028)
• United States
15 Feb 10
That's a toughie. Handling somebody else's kid is always kind of a minefield. On the other hand, it is your house. If it is just for a few days, the easiest way is to mutter under your breath and put up with it. Easiest, but not necessarily the best. There really are a lot of bad things that can happen, even to careful people. Maybe she just has an exaggerated sense of how hyped up all of our media outlets are about child abductions. Nearly always, when a child is snatched, it is by a non-custodial parent. The real cases of abduction by a stranger are rare, and they are big news (at least, it is big news if the child is white--nobody seems to care much about missing black children). Some parents have over-reacted by keeping their children virtually locked up.
Still, setting aside all of the sensationalism, they are very real dangers in the world. Young children need to know not to get in a car with a stranger, just the same way they need to know not to run into the street. If you can't talk to her about it, maybe you can talk to your son. If neither of those is a good option, grit your teeth and bear it. It is only a week.
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
17 Feb 10
yes but i can handle it a week. im just worried about it turning into full time after june when hes out of school. they are thinking she will move here. i guess we will see. i'll do my best but i may have to move out which will be quite a hardship with me.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
21 Feb 10
Oh dear...what a dreadful, stupid mother. If she wants her son to feel safe she should be shutting the windows she opened without being told. What a pain. Can you imagine your life if this woman and her child moved in? If you have to live with your son he has to be more considerate of the sort of people he brings home to visit. Can he not see how unsuitable this woman is? Or does he just want someone for the sake of having someone?
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
21 Feb 10
Bunny, you need to be more assertive. Speak up! Say what you feel and let this woman know you don't agree or approve...if your son won't put her in her place then it's up to you. You are the one who has to take charge here. Tell her to mind her son or you will tell him yourself...be firm and be stern. None of this trying to get along...it's your peace of mind at stake...when he finds the right girl everything will be great.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
21 Feb 10
YES!! im thinking you are right. begining to think he feels he MUST have a woman in his bed anyway, they are now discussing her moving out here into her own place. dont know how much better that would be. frankly i think she just wants out of the weather and is wanting him to help her with everything.
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
17 Feb 10
if only i could get him to do so. hopefully he will come to his senses before its to late. but once they get grown they dont listen
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@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
28 Feb 10
sounds like she is overprotective.the kid's gonna grow up with some issues if she doesn't let him just be a boy a little bit.
i think sometimes doctors are to quick to say a kid has something like adhd..
after all,they make profits with diagnosis.(which is NOT to say it doesn't exist)..i shudder to think what my brother and i might be diagnosed with nowadays if we we kids.
@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
7 Mar 10
some of the tasks they had for us at school were utterly redundant.and ill explained..
they asked me once if they were boring me,and i told them truthfully,yes.
they said once i would never make anything of myself daydreaming too..well,i get paid for my art now,so there goes that theory!
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
28 Feb 10
i think you are right about the diagnoses stuff. hard telling what i would have been diagnoses with also. my teachers all said i had a high IQ but refused to concentrate on my work. said i lived in a dream world. so i imagine i would have been thought to have adhd since i obviously didnt pay attentionanyway, her son did not seem to be/or act any different then any other boy
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
16 Feb 10
I can understand your son's ex wanting the best for her child however, she's not doing him justice when she doesn't tell him the truth. He needs to learn what a stranger is and to not approach them otherwise, he's going to continue to have no fear and very well could be kidnapped and worse. So no, you're not being unreasonable, she is however, being WAY to protective and both are going to pay for that sooner or later if she doesn't change her ways.
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
19 Feb 10
Safe neighborhoods still have crime and now a days, it's a thing of "We never expected something like this to happen here but it did" so no neighborhood is safe anymore. Killers, rapists and so on live in rural areas to get away from the mainstream population so they won't get caught easily. I hope she's explained to him what a stranger is exactly and given him an example so he'll understand. Just saying don't go near strangers isn't good enough
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
19 Feb 10
well she says shes explained to him about dont go anywhere with strangers,etc. and she does pick him up from school, hes never anywhere without her or a close family member like her mom. i guess they live out in a small community in upstate NY. where its pretty safe but to me you still have to be safe even in good neighborhoods these days.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
19 Feb 10
yes its like i told my son(not having a chance to speak to her out of her sons hearing) in 1956 (i think thats the year) a farmer in kansas, along with his wife and 2 children was murdered because they thought they was safe, lived near a small community where everyone knew each other, nothing bad like that had ever happened there, no one locked their doors including this family.Percy Smith an ex con and a guy that had been his cell mate,decided to rob them but didnt want witnesses. another con had lied and said they had a safe there with several thousand dollars in it. they got something like 40 bucks, a small radio, and some costume jewelry a movie was made of it called "IN cold blood".
@cream97 (29087)
• United States
12 Aug 10
I think that she is being unreasonable about the fact about not making sure that the windows and doors are locked. Doesn't she see that you are trying to look out for her. You are not trying to be rude to her at all. Just do the best that you can as far as making adjustments. You should not have to always keep your mouth shut especially when it comes to saying what is right.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
17 Aug 10
thats not the worst. she went home, but has been back again since july 4th. till august 31st. 2 more weeks to go and now it seems like a years gone by well yesterday we had a good size rowl. today she is contimplating how to get home early without having to pay extra she has gotten nuttier by the day. teaches her kid to be selfish, as she is very selfish. thats another story. so, yes, now im putting my foot down and i think son is getting full of her crap to. lol.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
15 Feb 10
It sounds to me like she doesn't know how to be a good guest! She should not be telling you what you can and cannot say in front of her son. She IS your guest, after all. She should be more respectful of your ways.
I agree that she is way overboard on the protection issue. Her son is going to have many problems when he's old enough to go out into the world and realizes that life is not what she has allowed him to know about. I have the feeling that he will not be happy with the way his mother is raising him once he's out in the real world, especially once he gets out of elementary school.
I raised my boys to know about life. If they asked a question, I answered, honestly. They have not had trouble adjusting to life and I'm happy about that. They heard words that are not widely socially accepted and I would tell them that very thing and that I didn't want to hear them saying them. I didn't "hide" them from these words, they heard them everywhere!
Oh, and my youngest son was diagnosed with ADHD. For that very reason I wanted him to know all he should know, about how there were many different kinds of people with many different views on things. I didn't want him being shocked once he was an adult. Heck, I didn't want him being shocked once he started school and started hearing other kids saying things that they shouldn't.
I was protected from the "bad" side of life and had a hard time dealing with things that came my way for years after I left home.
Oh, and I don't consider "stupid computer" to be anything that shouldn't be heard by a little boy! There is nothing bad about that phrase. It's all her.
Your son is going to have problems with her if he decides to make this relationship any more permanent. He'll have to accept her way of doing things, and I doubt very much if she would allow him to discipline her son. She sounds very controlling in that area.
I could be wrong but, from the way I read your post, it sounds like this woman has issues she needs to deal with before she can be happy with anyone. I don't see where you said anything wrong and she needs to learn to be a more grateful guest!
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
15 Feb 10
Oh, this woman said that she doesn't want her son to be afraid of anything. That boy is going to be afraid of EVERYTHING once he gets a good taste of real life! SHE has problems and it looks like she's making sure her son has problems, too.
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
16 Feb 10
yes you are so wise and absolutely right. I really wish i knew how to explain this to her without starting another crying jag. you explain it in such good terms. reasonable
@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
15 Feb 10
Hi Bunny! Was wondering where you've been! Now I know...
I think there are probably as many parenting styles as there are children. Somehow most of the kids turn out ok anyway. It sounds like mom is over-protecting her son from reality. Then when I think about how society has changed in the past 20 or 30 years, I'm not sure if I can blame her. In being so over protective, it sounds like she has fears that she hasn't addressed. Being from NY, the horrors of 9/11 are probably right up there for reasons. I don't know anyone from Eastern NY or Southern New England who has not been permanently changed because of it. Living here in Oklahoma, I see similar fears resulting from the OKC bombing and from natural occurrences like hurricanes.
On the other hand, she should remember that she's in YOUR home. So if you remind her to lock windows and doors, it's so everyone feels safe, not necessarily because you think some one is out there. And calling inanimate objects stupid? Give me a break! It not like you said, "stupid f'ing computer"...which probably crossed your mind. She could have used that as a learning example by explaining why we don't call people that, but computers don't have feelings...
Look at the bright side. It's only a week.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
16 Feb 10
BUT..my big fear is its going to turn into longer. you know what they say does the thinking for a man not the head...and like i told her and him, its not like im cussing like a sailor or something.in fact i make a point not to say nasty words like that even when im mad.
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@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
16 Feb 10
Well, next time they make an issue of you using a word like 'stupid' you have two choices. One, have some substitute words ready (ie: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/stupid ).
Or, (my favorite) let them know that the word you'd been thinking of would have made them think you were a trucker, but you'd use it instead of what you did say if they prefer. I think they would suddenly prefer your original word choice.
@kitty42 (3923)
• United States
17 Feb 10
Hello my friend
I don't think you are wrong I mean this is your home and you should be able to relax and say what you feel, I don't think you were being disrespectful in any way, I think we all may have a story to tell when it comes to how people behave when it comes to their children, some good some bad, I would not like to feel uncomfortable in my home that would drive me nuts, you said the cild is 6 and you asked for the doors to be locked in front of the child like he is thinking about someone breaking in, maybe she needs to relax before she drive the kid nuts.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
20 Feb 10
thats so true. since she went home iam finding out from calls shes made to my son and things shes said that shes a bigger nut case then i thought.
@justnitya (1392)
• India
16 Feb 10
I would pray for your family and you. Hope you all have the strength and patience to forgive and overcome this tough period of time.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
19 Feb 10
well shes gone home now but plans on moving in this summer. we will see. i'll make the best of it i can.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
17 Feb 10
For me she seems a sensitive person and that you have to treat her with gentle gloves. I would do it for your son's sake and try not to be invasive as much as possible. I would not intrude or dictacte how things should be done in other people's houses or how other person's children should be raised. Unless they are suffering from some kind of abuse I would keep my mouth shut
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
21 Feb 10
well she was in our house. and i did try to get on with her. but, obviously there is just no pleaseing some people.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
16 Feb 10
My son has autism and I hear a lot of stories from parents and caregivers about other children with autism. Most of them are a handful. In my opinion, a lot of it has to do with the parents not being firm enough with the child. They are afraid to be because of the autism, afraid the child can't handle it, etc. Not to say that there aren't a lot of legitimate reasons why children with autism and other disorders have problems, but some parents use that as an excuse or tippy toe around it.
Sounds to me like the son's girlfriend is too sensitive and over protective. Doesn't sound to me at all that you did anything wrong. She's going to have problems with him when he gets older imho.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
19 Feb 10
so sorry about your son. autism is a lot harder to deal with for both of you. but i really think a lot of times doctors/parents use ADHD for all kinds of problems. i really wonder if ADHD is not just a catch phrase for hyperactivity. my middle son was the very same way and he never got that diagnosis back then. they just said he was hyper. not to give him to much sugar things etc. i didnt treat him any different then the other kids. he turned out better then a couple of my others he was not over protected or spoiled. yes shes gonna have problems. but some people just have to find out for themselves.
@crysontherocks77 (1273)
• United States
18 Jul 10
Alot of people use a diagnosis as an excuse to let there kids get away things. I know an adult who tells people " o, I've been diagnosed as bi-polar" and she thinks she can go out and do what ever she wants to do. I've had a lot more go on than that of a mental disease ( which she doesn't take meds for) and i'm more stable than she is. She has major mood swings and then tries to put her kid off on every body else to take care of instead of her taking care of him. I've had mine by my side for the past 5 years and I can understand where you would see that as an excuse. The only way I would believe her would probably be if i went to the doctor with her with the boy and heard him say he has it. That's just me.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
19 Jul 10
well this has been a discussion i made on her last visit. now she is back for a 2 month visit and im of the conclusion you are absolutely right. the kid is spoiled rotten! she has tried him in 3 different camps so he will have stuff to do. each time she no more then gets back then they call her to come get the little monster. i usually do very well with kids, but this one is getting on my last nerve. im hoping and thinking he is my sons also!! that would be great. then he can see its not for him.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
18 Feb 10
Umm, I don't think that you are being mean or acting out of line at all. He is six years old, my daughter is now seven years old. I think at that age that children need to be made aware of dangers that can happen in this world. The saying a bad word could be taken to have been in the wrong, but I think that all adults, whethere they are parents or grandparents, or just an adult in general are prone to use a bad word every now and then. And, it doesn't sound to me like the little boy suffers from ADHD.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
21 Feb 10
the bad word in this case was "stupid" i can understand her not wanting him to call anyone "stupid" but i would think she would talk with him about that instead of me not being allowed to say that its not like its the F.. word for gosh sakes!
@1anurag1 (3576)
• India
16 Feb 10
I think you are not bad. you time is a bit bad. and when you come to know. you can do for either two things.one is wait for the good time and other is you do your things to make your bad time good.
and i think the second option is the option where you can perform. you must not care now for anything to make the time good.
goodluck
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
19 Feb 10
yes i see what you are saying. either i'll make it work or i'll have to leave it.