How does forcing people to but healthcare insurance make to more available?

United States
February 25, 2010 10:15am CST
Can anyone explain how forcing people to but Healthcare insurance make it more available? Do the Democrats really think that everything will be great by focing people to buy insurance, if they could afford it noe they would buy it. Just saying buy it or we will fine you is just going to cause people to choose between going to jail (great motivator), eating, or paying their morgage. Great way to treat the people you wish to govern. So if there are any Democrats out there that truly believe that forcing people to buy something they cannot afford in the first place is a good idea, I would really like to hear how and why. Oh, you can also explain why Lord Obama is so against insurance companies selling across statelines, perhaps he just hates the idea of doing something that would help We the People?
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
25 Feb 10
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people" ~Amendment 10, U.S. constitution. It should be this alone that prevents them from doing this. the argument should stop right there. Period. This should be a no brainer....they can't do it...it's forbidden. Unfortuneatly these chains no no longer seem to bind them from doing anything.
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• United States
25 Feb 10
You are soo right. The Constitution does not give them this power...so therefore they should not be able to do it....but try telling them that. This right is "reserved to the States respectively,or to the people". That says it all.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
25 Feb 10
I think the thinking is that if you let people not carry insurance or pay nothing, their care will have to be funded by the government. For instance, people who have never paid into Social Security can and do often collect SSI which is funded by the taxes of those who have paid into the system and it's SSI that is breaking the Social Security fund. Odd that the people who protest the most about welfare abuse and SSI abuse are the very same people who do not want everybody to pay a share of healthcare. I should say that I also have some questions about the constitutionality of this. However, it is ONE point and it is up for negotiation if there are Republicans willing to negotiate. Seems everybody is hopping and focusing on the points they object to without making any effort to look at the whole bill. Right now, there is NO competition in the market place. A few big companies are running the whole show and driving costs sky high. We are losing thousands of jobs due to outsourcing because even the largest of companies are overburdened by the rising premiums.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
25 Feb 10
"However, it is ONE point and it is up for negotiation " It shouldn't even be up for negotiation....it's blatently unconstitutional..it should be a deal breaker...it should never have even entered their minds to include it. We definately need to fix things...no doubt there, but going around the constitution to do it should NEVER be the answer.
• United States
25 Feb 10
Of topic but I wanted to clear something up... What is breaking Social Security is that our politicans for years and years (about 30+ years) have used it as a slush fund. They have taken money out to pay for pet projects and NEVER PAID IT BACK. So instead of that money sitting there and collecting interest to be paid out when needed by the tax payers who paid into it...it has been spent on government projects. With worthless IOUS left in their place...so now it is going bankrupt. IF our politicans would have keep their grubby little hands off it and only used it for real purpose...than it would not be in this shape. So our elected officials are to blame for Social Security. And X is right....if something is UNCONSTITUTIONAL...then it should NEVER come up for a debate or even considered. It is a deal breaker. You CAN NOT negotiate the constitution of this country.
@TTCCWW (579)
• United States
25 Feb 10
Irisheyes, I could not agree more, as a small business owner of several small companies over the last 32 years I have been balancing insurance and employee's since the early 80's and have sworn to a group of small business owners that I will not hire one more person until this is fixed. I have paid for insurance for my employee's for years and then when one of them goes in for something I get a letter telling me that they are not covered and it comes out of my pocket. Well no more. This is morally bankrupt system and if others country's can figure this out than why can't we.
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
25 Feb 10
I would really like to see someone explain this, too. I can't afford health insurance because I have a "pre existing condition" that makes the cost of insurance more than half of what I make each month. How do they plan to deal with that? Do I go on welfare (food stamps, help with utility bills, etc.) so I can pay my insurance? Or just go to jail and let "them" (read: taxpayers) take care of me.
• United States
25 Feb 10
You will either find a way to afford it.....ie stop eating, don't pay your electric bill...etc..or end up in legal trouble. Our government could care less...as long as you find a way to buy it.
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
26 Feb 10
Probably not a good idea to not pay the electric bill. If you don't pay your electric and it gets shut off many landlords will evict you and then you will be homeless on top of it all. Oh well, at least if you get sick from being exposed to the elements, you will have insurance to cover your hospital stay...oh and food & shelter. hmmm...maybe not such a bad plan after all. just kiddin.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
26 Feb 10
Well then why should I worry? Either way (jail or hospital) I'll be fed and warm.
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@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
26 Feb 10
Justathought, this thing with healthcare control has been going on for some time now: What we are getting from Washington is a progression of what has been going on for years. Did you know that under MEHPA (passed under W. Bush) failure to comply with mandate of government officials constitutes a crime and results in quarantine?
• United States
26 Feb 10
Justathought, did you not say "Do the Democrats really think that everything will be great by forcing people to buy insurance ...?"? I am simply showing you where this healthcare dilemma all started. Now, if you are republican and do not like what is ongoing in Washington DC, then you just ought to remember that you started the fire that now burns intensely.
• United States
27 Feb 10
I'm an independent, I believe our congress is spending to much money and striping us of to many freedoms. As for the fire that now burns so intensely, that was started when the Democrats closed and locked the door to write the Health Care bill without any Republicans in the room. I will guess that you maybe a Democrat, and see no problem with the closed door policy, as long as you get your way. But this is the United States and our Constitution allows all Americans a voice in our government. Obama promised transparency and bi-partisanship, and yet no Republicans were allowed into their little meeting and there was not even a window in the locked door. But that is just fine with the Democrats, but it is now fine with the independent voters that got him elected. Democrats did not elect Obama by themselves and they will keep control of Congress without the independent voter in the mid-terms. If you don't believe that just look back to recent Senate race in Mass., you do know that they had not had a Republican Senator for over 30 years. I did notice that you seemed to be very concerned that Bush committed a crime by not complying with MEHPA, but you do not seem to concerned that Obama has no problem in side stepping the Constitution. After all he can always blame Bush for for his actions.
• United States
26 Feb 10
Failure to comply with the United States Constitution is what? Treason. So contact Congress and President Obama and remind them of that. Obama has been in office for over a year and Democrats still blame Bush for his stupid ideas and policies. When are his policies going to be his fault?
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
26 Feb 10
Great discussion you started here. I am 53 and I just do not go to the doctors. I can't afford health insurance even at a cheap rate. I had it for years and never used it so I ultimately paid thousands of dollars into the health care pool "just in case". When I DID need it on one occasion, I had to go thru all sorts of red tape to get the procedure covered because it was cervical cancer and my coverage only covered a certain amount of gynacology visits! I got sick once with bronchitis after the insurance stopped. It cost me under 200.00 for the visit which seemed like a lot at the time but way less than the 35.00 per week I'd been paying for years. I don't really see how they can feel forcing people to buy coverage is going to help anything at all.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
25 Feb 10
I'm definitely against this requirement for many reasons. I don't believe that the government should be able to force anyone to buy anything, first of all, and this legislation would make criminals out of folks who are already suffering. Too many in this country are already having a hard time making ends meet as it is. In addition, there is an entire group of Americans who are considered uninsurable by the insurance industry due to pre-existing conditions. This group would be considered high risk if insurers were forced to cover them so their premiums would not be affordable and their deductables would be high, making the coverage worthless for the most part. As it is you get little for that monthly premium payment with private insurance even if you're not high risk.