Just 5%!?!?!?!?!?

United States
March 12, 2010 4:09pm CST
So...I was watching a video where this teenage girl was beating the crap out of another teenage girl on a (subway platform??)...the victim was already on the ground and the aggressor was still kicking her and attacking her. The whole issue with the story was the 3 security officers there did nothing to stop the attack, except one of them did put his arm out to try to get her to stop...but she didn't. Later the security officers said that they were ORDERED by their bosses NOT to interfere in anything, and to just call 911. Okay so...if that's not bad enough there were quite a few other people around (including some men that were much bigger than the attacker and could have stopped her)...so as an interview the news talk to a detective who said, "only 5% of the population ever gets involved..." REALLY!?!?!? Only 5%!?!?!? I'm kind of...disappointed...I think that number should be higher. Only 5% of the population would get involved in ANY KIND of situation!!??!?!? Goodness! I'd like to think I would be par of that 5%, I can't imagine just standing around and watching something bad happen to someone without trying to help. What do you guys think about this?
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@ElicBxn (63593)
• United States
13 Mar 10
I know I would probably be involved because I've done it before. I am pretty sure I wouldn't get involved between 2 men fighting, but I've stepped in and verbally confronted men messing with women - they don't know how to handle another woman interfering. I've had one raise his hand toward me, to which I responded - "Go ahead. You lay one finger on me and I'll have your butt in jail so fast and I WILL go after you with the fullest extent of the law." Not loudly, but very determinedly - those kinds are such big cowards that a strong woman scares them.
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@ElicBxn (63593)
• United States
14 Mar 10
oh, I'd be having words at him - about being a coward and stuff, that's just the way I am
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• United States
14 Mar 10
Gosh I hope if I'm ever face to face with such a situation I could be as bold as you! By nature I'm quiet and shy--but when it comes to anything helpless (people or animals) I think/hope I could step up and speak/fight for them.
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• United States
14 Mar 10
I know what you man when you say you wouldn't get between two fighting men--I'd probably do that same (i'd call 911 though). BUT if it was ONE man that was beating another man who was already down and out I might still try to help him.
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
13 Mar 10
I think that those statistics are really sad. I do not blame those individual 5% of people for not wanting to help though. I blame society in general, which includes the lawmakers, media etc. Most people these days are to scared to get involved in case they get sued for any injuries they may give the attackers and also there is the fear that some of these people may be carrying knives. That is far too common these days. You never know who is carrying them! I do however feel that someone like a trained security officer should be stepping in to break these incidents up. That is just so wrong for them to watch and do nothing.
• United States
14 Mar 10
Oh okay! lol When I see any kind of video where people just let something terrible like this happen I can't believe anyone could be so heartless. I once saw a video where a man and woman were attacking a father with MACHETES in a crowded area, and the only person trying to save the father was his 7-9(?) year old boy! He was putting himself between his dad and these people trying to get them to stop! I know people probably stayed away because a machete was involved, but I could never watch a child in distress and do nothing!
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• United States
14 Mar 10
Oh no! The 5% is the number of people who WOULD help! 95% of people would not help in a situation! I understand that the security guards would want to protect their jobs, BUT they applied to be security GUARDS--I'd think they'd want to be able to do what their job entails.
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
14 Mar 10
Oops, I knew what you meant, and I also knew what I meant, but I forgot to put in the 9!
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@Tallygirl09 (1380)
• United States
12 Mar 10
Sadly, it doesn't surprise me at all. The security guards have likely been instructed that way to help prevent a potential law suit against the train station operators. Since if they acted then one or both women could potentially have sued. It's sad that someone would be instructed to do nothing whilst another person is kicked. I would never have been able to just stand there and try to ignore it. And if the security staff had done something to try and help, they might have been fired for it. No win situation all around. And it's just as appalling that most medical staff won't help at accident sites anymore because of the malpractice or lawsuit potential.
• United States
12 Mar 10
Yeah, it's unfair that the security officers were put in that position. I'm sure when they applied for the job they didn't think they would just have to stand around and watch people attack each other. What do you mean medical staff won't help at accident sites!?!??! You mean the paramedics?!?!?! That's their job!!!!! Or do you mean if a doctor or nurse happened to be around at an accident they don't do anything?
• United States
12 Mar 10
Oh ok, I see!!! A long time ago there was something about a new law that protected good Samaritans so people would be able to step in and help people without fear of being sued for any out comes...I don't know what happened with that though.
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@machivado (528)
• Indonesia
13 Mar 10
I think that's because everyone can sue somebody in front of the law...so we always risk ourselves in helping others like that. In that can situation, street fighting is pretty much likely to occur...However that is the case if only one person who tries to do about it. It's a shame though..But I will do something if I'm not dragging someone else with me
@fattymc (140)
12 Mar 10
Well then, I guess one of the 5% of the people who would actually get involved. That`s such a terrible thing to do. Just let somebody get beat up. Aren`t security guards supposed to guard? Is that not their job? The fact that they did not step in to stop them was terrible. What was the boss thinking. The boss there should be kicked out. If not, it will definitely ruin their reputation. 5% of them would get involved is a pretty shocking statistic if you ask me. I think it should be at least 50%.
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• United States
12 Mar 10
I know!!! WHY even have security officers if they aren't going to protect people?? Anyone around could call the police. The company is wasting money while TRYING to look safe. They need to hire security officers and LET them do their job!
@yresh12 (3212)
• Philippines
13 Mar 10
That's really sad to hear. I never thought that it could be like that. I think they should have been stopped. In my country, It's much exactly the opposite. People are nosy and usually gets involved with your life even if you don't feel like it. It's just that we in nature care to much on people around, even if it's not your fight and they saw you fighting.They stop you, if they know it's getting worst. This could be a good thing or not. Yeah your 5% rate is very very depressing. Thanks for sharing this with us.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
14 Mar 10
It is sad that only 5% would get involved. I understand wanting to stay out of someone else's business but this is different. Just do something, how hard would it be just to pin someone to the ground. If I was one of those security guards I would have help the girl being beaten up. Even though that would not be my job, I could not just stand around while one human is being unfairly beaten up by another.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
12 Mar 10
I have the video as well. I was puzzled and shocked that the security guard did nothing to protect the girl. I think they could have exercised their authority to stop the other girl from beating her. Thank God the victim does not seem to suffer from any serious repercussions. I can understand that the general public is afraid to intervene. What if the girl had a hidden knife or a sharp object. I am not trained to handle a violent person. If I had my son with me, my first priority would be to protect myself and my son. If I was alone I would try to do everything possible to stop the attack. I am really disappointed that the security personnel did nothing in this case. They are trained for such an eventuality. They dont' have an excuse like the general public. A couple of years ago, my wife and I were walking when a 15 year old young lady was being harassed by two male teenagers. They were circling around her in bicycles and saying some nasty words. She came to us to help her and we escorted her to her home. We told the two teenagers off. They saw us walking with the dog and after realising that we were not letting the girl go without taking her to safety they left.
• United States
12 Mar 10
Yeah even though the guards were ordered not to intervene, as grown men how could they not? Aren't men (I mean good men--not murders and rapists, etc) suppose to have some kind of instinct to protect women? Especially defenseless ones? I agree that there's always danger of a weapon, but even if someone real fast just ran up and shoved the attacker off her feet...she might lose her steam and back off if she thinks more people are going to get involved. Don't you feel special now that you know you are part of a 5% population of do gooders? lol.
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• United States
13 Mar 10
Unfortunately those security guards have to look out for their own livelihood. Had they intervened against orders, they may have been fired. That is such a shame. Ronald that is great you and your wife helped that girl.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
13 Mar 10
I find the order as ridiculous. Why not? I mean what are there for? What are they paid for? Even if it's not my duty I would not allow someone to be punched and kicked if I can avoid it. They could at least protected her by letting the girl stay next to them and tell the abuser to go off or they arrest her or whatever. I don't feel special I think it is everybody's duty to be a little concerned when it comes to take care of our brethren. Thanks for your kind comment rosegardens, perhaps us Maltese do poke our nose but I do prefer to live here where your business is each other's business (though I hate gossipers) but they do help in time of need. A few weeks ago I went walking around my area. I went walking through new street that lead me to a valley and a countryside. A woman saw me puzzled as I did not know which way I had to take. She was washing her car. She asked me if I was taking my son to a piano lesson, it seems that there is a piano teacher in the area. I said not but I thanked her but I do admire her concern. If we were a little bit concerned about others this world would be much better
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@vivasuzi (4127)
• United States
15 Mar 10
Well, I don't know if I am surprised. Although I feel like I could never just stand there and watch someone being beat up, I know many of us get scared and don't know if I'd be able to jump in. If I was there all by myself seeing this, I'd probably reach for my cell phone and call the police, and also take a picture of the attacker as proof. However, I'm of the opinion that the crowd can beat 1 person, so if there were a handful of people watching and they didn't "gang up" on the attacker, I don't see why not. As for the security guards, I can understand their rule only because at my husband's retail store it is also a rule. Security guards are mostly supposed to call the police and are not supposed to chase anyone or things like that. But they still do sometimes anyway. I guess it comes down to legal mumbo-jumbo and everyone worried they will get sued. Stupid reason, I know, but it's the truth. 3 guards and not a single one did anything? That's just sad. It would have probably been easy for them to restrain a teenage girl.
@writersedge (22563)
• United States
17 Mar 10
Unfortunately, I went to training to be a security guard and that's what NY State said, "Call 911, don't do anything. You're not a cop." So why bother to go through training, wear a uniform, get paid, etc.? Only armed security like Brinks truck ones can draw a weapon if they have one. Only because people may kill you for the money and you have to have advanced training for that. How advanced can it be when the unarmed training is call 911? Anyone can do that. We had 8 hours of training and I was disgusted because they were basically telling you why you can only call 911, what you can and can not say, etc.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
12 Mar 10
I can understand somebody who is physically weak not getting involved, but if that were me I'd still at least call 911 or something. But I can't believe that the security guards weren't allowed to help. That's just wrong.
• United States
12 Mar 10
The security guys were definitely NOT physically weak! lol But maybe if they were afraid of losing their jobs they had an EXCUSE (not a good one)--but I don't think they should be put in that situation anyways. If they are hired as security guards, let them do what they signed up to do!
• Philippines
28 Mar 10
Oh, they were just teenage girls, and how come the grown up man would be afraid to interfere with the fight. We can never judge the security officers as they are just obeying the instruction of the bosses. But the Bosses!!! are they crazy!? Why would they be afraid to interfere with a fight of teenagers.
@lelin1123 (15595)
• Puerto Rico
12 Mar 10
I can't believe only 5% would intervent. This is another terrible story where people have no regard for another human being. It reminds me of the guy hit by a car in Connecticut and people just kept walking going about their business. Absolutey no one went to his aid. I cant' believe not one guy would help this girl out. I also can't believe the security officers were told not to interfere, totally outrageous!
• United States
12 Mar 10
It is terrible! Oh my gosh, how terrible!!! Okay so...I HATE blood and gore and anything related. But if I saw someone get hit by a car I would not be able to just leave them! I would stay next to them (I would not touch them--I know that is a big no no) but I could sit with them and talk to them, make them feel more comfortable! It would be SO scary to be hit by a car, and to just be IGNORED!?!?!? ugh ******SINCE these poor security guards are getting a bad rep on here....how about a quick shout out to a couple of security officers that jumped on some subway tracks in front of a train to save a drunk man that stumbled on to them! YAY!!!*****lol
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@zoey7879 (3092)
• Quincy, Illinois
13 Mar 10
I don't agree with this kind of action when people do nothing.. but having been a business manager for several years. It's a workman's comp and insurance liability for them, as well as the safety issue. One job I worked at, (in a state that allows concealed weapons), I got reprimanded for not physically detaining a shoplifter. I was a cashier. At another job, I watched a man physically assault a woman and I dialed 911 from a cell phone. I got a warning because " dialing 911 locks up the telephone system", for using a cell phone while on the clock, and then into trouble for not turning the matter over to a store supervisor. Mind you, it takes on average of 5-30 minutes to get a manager to respond to an in store page or call. That few minutes could be valuable in saving a life! I was told to not consider calling a manager to dial 911 unless the person involved requests it. That is seriously the most brain damaged rhetoric I have EVER heard. Allowing that kind of behavior to continue is damaging for business relations, puts that person in danger, and potentially other customers and/or employees in danger. Grrr!
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