Was Villar really poor?

@tokouchi (370)
Philippines
March 27, 2010 3:58am CST
I've been doing a lot of research with regards to Presidential Candidates and what struck me the most are the findings i had with Presidential bet Manny Villar. I learned that: (1) both of his parents were in the working class his father being a government employee (in a time when being one is quite rewarding) and his mother a seafood dealer. A former neighbor in Tondo even claims that they had a "stainless steel clad jeep" which back in the day, was a status symbol. (2) Mr. Manny Villar studied at Holy Child Catholic school (which is a private school) during elementary and studied at MAPUA during his highschool. Enrolling in a private school is definitely an option only to middle and higher class families. (3) Also in narrated TV commercial he mentioned of having to share "corned beef" because they were poor. That is why canned foodstuffs, especially corned beef, are being displayed in the "sala" by many households in the provinces for these to be seen by visitors. While Mr. Villar's household might not be categorized as class AB, it definitely cannot be classified as class E (poor). For Mr. Villar to don this facade of being "poor" once upon a time just to gain political advantage should make every Filipino voter ponder as to what else he would be willing to do just to attain his objective.
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@adoremay (2065)
• Philippines
31 Mar 10
I think he is poor compared to the Aquino's. My father is a retired professor, my brother is a government employee, the other brother supervises a construction, I am a government employee, my sister works in a hospital who is under the supervision of Germany. All live in one house, yet we still consider our family poor. There were instances that we just sleep because of having no food to cook. But for some we are not, because we do have television and some other things. I guess Villar leveled or made comparison of his status to the Aquino's with that I can say he is poor. The labeling of who is poor or who is rich is based on how a person perceived his financial condition. I think if his parents were rich they could have not employed themselves, I think they will just sit around and read newspapers and let their work people do the hard labor just like the Aquino's. His parents working indicates that they were/are like us doing our very hard and earn a living to provide food in the table.And I must say, I believe Kris Aquino thinks she is poor compared to Paris Hilton. I believe that this may be his way in getting the the people to vote for him, but everybody has its own ways, and if he says that he is poor, then maybe he is.
@adoremay (2065)
• Philippines
1 Apr 10
I need to state that when you work in a government, it does not mean that government workers have a high paying job. You working alone does not mean that you are the only one earning. And perhaps the siblings are scholars. Lying is what all the candidates do to be voted. I think you lied too during your interview to get the job. The information you have gathered through your research, can it make you conclude that all is true? In doing research, you need to have a hypothesis and then you need to do a test. You are just in the second phase in your research. You need to prove its accuracy. You need not to be so engrossed with my response, I just answered your post, that if Villar thinks he is poor then let him be. You have judge me terribly as well as Villar, you don't know me that much as well as Villar.
@adoremay (2065)
• Philippines
3 Apr 10
I have read Monsod's writing, however I believe her writing was her opinion. It has something to do with why she will vote for Aquino and not Villar and the others. I believe you are a online worker, with that I can say that you indeed can sustain your financial matters in your home. I have learned from friends who works online that they do earn very good. As for the siblings, perhaps they are still in the primary years, wait till they go to college. I am proud to say that I am sending one too in a university. I am very much happy that you are a concern citizen. I for one will not vote for Villar. I am not defending him because I like him. But it is more on the manner of your questioning. Was Villar really poor?, I am just writing details as to which If I where in Villar's angle. I need not to believe in you, I do my own research too. Was Villar really poor? As for me, yes he is! If his father did struggle to provide food in the table, I think he is poor. In life;there is black and white, cold or hot, in or out, rich or poor and so many others. The leveling thing as to Class A, B and we may complete it with the alphabet to z is unrealistic. In a wedding ceremony, the priest that not say to richer and then to a, b c, or poorer. Left or right... Poor or rich... Life is so simple, we need not complicate it through the leveling. As for conclusion; Poor is Villar, rich is Aquino.
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
1 Apr 10
Well, i do have links that support my claims. They're all right here somewhere in the post. Done by highly respected and trusted journalist of broadsheets such as Monsod and the others. My siblings aren't scholars and they study at private schools. No there are no one else earning money in my family. And I didn't have an interview when I was hired. I am not engrossed with your response, discrediting me won't work either. I just want to share what I know. If you do not believe despite of having seen so much evidence, I don't even know what to think of you. I do not judge, I base everything on facts.
@setsuna26 (2751)
• Philippines
27 Mar 10
Personally i really dont think villar is poor well maybe that time they were financially challenged but to the extent of being poor thats a big no.Well you are correct when you said hes just using this as a tactic to use against his political enemies for as we all know most of our country men are ignorant when it comes to the true intention of their candidates. Too bad if this guy wins i wonder how will he use the money of the public i bet he needs to get his investment back first ;)
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
27 Mar 10
It's really scary to think that he has to go this low to achieve his goal. We do have a saying in Filipino, "Ang sinungaling ay kapatid ng magnanakaw". This is definitely an attempt to deceive Filipinos to gain political advantage. One can only imagine what he will do if and when he wins.
@setsuna26 (2751)
• Philippines
27 Mar 10
I do believe in that saying too. I dont know what will happen to this country if he leads it... You should live by example but what hes doing is outright wrong. Setting a bad example for corrupt people im sure they follow him once his in the office already... poor juan dela cruz
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
27 Mar 10
Very true. It's a pity how people are still blinded by him. The mere fact about the c5 extension project already show how he uses his political power to manipulate government funds for his profit.
@salonga (27775)
• Philippines
8 Apr 10
Hi! I like this discussion so even if it has been posted two weeks ago, I hope you will still entertain my participation.. Well dear, certainly I don't believe Manny Villar is poor. Of course he was not as rich as now but he could not be considered poor. Your researches are valid evidences to that. I would say they could not be classified as poor as what he was trying to make it appear. This is the reason why I hate this man. He is using the poor and the term "poor" to his advantage and so many poor people are seemed to be so beguiled by his lies. Corned beef is not the food of the poor. The poor people would rejoice once they eat corned beef actually because it shows they have the money and could rest from eating just salt and rice. The poor are those who go to public schools without even "baon" but Manny Villar was able to afford good education from good private schools simply because his parents are hardworking but not poor. Poor people can afford to buy stainless steel clad jeep and would only walk or make do with self improvised "kariton". The poor people are those who could eat corned beef only if their neighbors shared some to them. Her mother is a market vendor and a market vendor though deprived of sophistication is not deprived of money. In fact they earn more than just ordinary employee. I know that because I have so many friends in the market who do not dress stylishly as I do every day but do earn more than I do because they themselves were saying they earn thousands of pesos each day. Yes they are tired, they wake up so early, to sweat it out to earn their money, their job is not a white-collar one, they have to really exert more time and effort but they reap good money from their labor. This does not mean they are poor. They just do work very hard and they look like poor because they don't wear the fine clothing of office girls like me but they are not poor. They have more money in the bank than other ordinary employees. Not because Manny Villar is from Tondo he is already poor. NO, NO, NO! He is capitalizing on this and would want to make it appear that he is as poor as those scavengers? Well at his ultra rich stature now, maybe to him all those who do not have as much money as he does are already poor. Oh this Villar is obviously fooling the Filipino people. He could not fool me and I'm glad you seem to be wise as well. I am not voting for him. I will not vote for this man who is so obsessed with his ambition to become the most powerful man of this land. But I pray God will not allow a man like him to rule our country. I am not voting for Villar and the reason as here: http://hubpages.com/hub/notformannyvillar
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
8 Apr 10
Sadly, not all people here have the same mindset as we do. Some of them will vote for Villar despite the fact that they know how incompetent he is due to their belief that he will "prioritize" Las Piñas since he's from here (much like what Gloria does to Pampanga). Very immature and selfish. I just hope they open their eyes on time.
• Philippines
27 Mar 10
I totally agree with you. I really don't care whether he was poor or not, cause what I care about is what he's going to do once he's elected. I hate that he's almost saying that rich people, or those who are born rich won't care for you as much as he does. Total crap. Winnie Monsod has this to say about Manny Villar's claims of him 'being poor': http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20100327-261024/Awesome-claims Read this, I know you're going to like it.
• Philippines
28 Mar 10
Thank you for the link. It help me decide to strongly discourage my family from voting him. He is a disappointment.
• Philippines
29 Mar 10
Yeah, I can't really imagine our country with him as a President, I think he's going to take all our agricultural lands and transform it to housing projects and in the end, majority of our countrymen who are farmers would lose their livelihood because of what he did.
@magtibaygom (4858)
• Philippines
27 Mar 10
Last night, in a related online forum, I read a discussion talking about negative things about Noynoy. Tonight, it's about Villar. Now, I am convinced I will not vote for the two of them. One is incapable, while the other one is a liar. And here comes another liar, Erap Estrada. He is claiming during his presidency, there were no corrupt deals, no wars and troubles in Mindanao, etc. Liar! I won't vote for liars. What about Villanueva? Also a liar? Yes! He's claiming we the Seventh-Day Adventists have already vowed for him. Another liar! Now, I'll think about voting for Gibo... I don't want liar leaders. :)
@choybel (5042)
• Philippines
27 Mar 10
I think that you shouldn't vote at all because I truly believe that in some ways more than one each of them are either liars or incompetent, or possibly worst-both!.
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
28 Mar 10
For me, I'd vote for the best possible option. Wouldn't it help to vote for the lesser evil? Wouldn't it do us good to choose someone who is somewhat better than the others?
• Philippines
6 Apr 10
I wouldn't vote for Gibo either. Please remember, he was the head of defense when the Ampatuans ruled Maguindanao. The arms found in the Ampatuan residence was given by the US during his term. Not exactly a comforting quality for a future president!
@ghieptc (2522)
• Philippines
27 Mar 10
I think too that only Villar is a pro poor but not totally poor. Maybe in his era, they are poor in materials things. Can he abolish the poor in the Philippines unless he gave jobs to all household in the Philippines. And it is a sin to have no work, it will go to jail.
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
28 Mar 10
Either way, it's a big win for him, and a big loss for the Filipino people. It is up to us to stop this great deceit from spreading.
@ghieptc (2522)
• Philippines
27 Mar 10
Yes, he wants badly the position of being a president. How do he spend those billion of adds but if he can donate that on charity will be an interesting facts to help those poor.
@lyzabelle (1668)
• Philippines
28 Mar 10
He maybe using the poor words as advantage in his political ambition but he maybe right for doing so. He is already a millionaire by a standard...so why would he seek the presidential chair maybe because he really wanted to serve poor people. I don't want to judge him early because like the other candidates we don't know for sure what he really he is up to.For me I will give him a chance.
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
29 Mar 10
I cannot see good reasoning in that. How can you trust someone who would lie straight in your face about his imaginary predicament just to get your sympathy ergo your vote. I suggest you review what he has been "up to" these past few years as a senator, and for the longest time, as congressman of Las Piñas. From barely a millionare since he started, he is now a multi-billionare land grabber and corrupt official. To entrust him our beloved country is the worst possible situation for all of us.
• Philippines
28 Mar 10
This discussion shocked me a lot. I feel throwing up and dizzy just by reading more on the details. I hope that the voters will help educate their co-voters especially those who have less access on the internet.
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
29 Mar 10
I started this to appeal primarily to the Filipinos who browse this forum to be informed. I love our country and I just can't keep silent knowing that some abusive power is trying to lie his way to further abuse our already forsaken country. We need someone who has the heart to change our country, not someone who will drag us further down into the abyss.
@eichs1 (1934)
• Philippines
29 Mar 10
Now, the truth unfolds... After reading your premises and Monsod's article, there is no doubt that this Villar is not indeed the man that he claims to be. He is definitely lying just the way he consistently lie about C5 and Daang Hari. How I wish your research will be made known throughout so Villar will stop claiming that he had been poor (as in real poor).
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
29 Mar 10
As i was browsing the web, another article about Villar's lies has surfaced. http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=562010& I have made it my advocacy to spread the word about Mr. Villar's lies. And if I find something controversial about other candidates I will not hesitate to reveal them as well.
@jules67 (2788)
• Philippines
27 Mar 10
That is what he claims. But for sure, we cannot verify if the reports of him coming from the less fortunate is valid. Now, he spends as if there was not tomorrow. All these spending scares me as a Filipino. For sure, he will try to get everything back he spends for. And where else will he get it from if elected.
@chiyosan (30184)
• Philippines
28 Mar 10
i agree on this. i sure think that when he wins, we are in for the worst. the country's debt will rise and his property will rise too.
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
29 Mar 10
Absolutely. This is definitely bad for our country. To let a man manipulate us like we were uneducated laboratory pets or use us like slaves to amass wealth from honest people's tax money is really bad for an already deteriorating and badly shaped country. This has to stop.
• Philippines
29 Mar 10
Congratulation!!! young people of the Philippines. You have waken up. You have discovered the real truth about Villar. So vote with your conscience. I'm voting not for my self, but for the youth. Para sa inyo. Honestly speaking, I'm voting for NOYNOY-MAR TANDEM, both are economists period.
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
30 Mar 10
This is something I have been doing ever since I registered as a voter. I encourage people to be critical in choosing their candidates. Well i do not consider being an "economist" as a good grounds on electing a leader as PGMA was also an economist. And for as long as the Luisita issue stands, and the land not distributed, I am voting against Mr. Noynoy as well. I don't like candidates who break promises. I don't like candidates who lie to the public. http://truthsayer.tumblr.com/
@eubilisa (211)
• Philippines
1 Apr 10
Well I guess Villar might be poor but doesn't belong to the poorest of the poor so there might be some struggles throughout his life but I think his parents were good provider in a way that they've done everything they could in order to support the family. The campaign of his is pretty much very effective though and he played the game well.
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
1 Apr 10
Well, as far fooling the voting public is concerned, he has definitely done a great job. From covering up the issues of the C5 and other scandalous projects to portraying himself as poor and buying sympathy from the poor masses.
@verptc (246)
• Philippines
29 Mar 10
I am not against to Mr. Villar or to any candidates.We don't exactly know their background. I am looking for any President who has vision to move our country forward to a greater progress like our neighbors. Poor or rich president it does not matter to me provide he is an able, genuine true leader who will lift up our poor people and our country into class A level.
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
30 Mar 10
This is why we research, right? To know their background! To be able to determine whether what they tell us are lies or truths. In this case, Mr. Villar has widespread a big fat lie about his past which is very dangerous. It only goes to show that he can compromise anything just to get to where he wants to be. How can you not be against someone who hurls lies in your face?
@jinjer168 (1596)
• Philippines
28 Mar 10
I think that Manny Villar really experienced to have a poor life when he was still a child but i also believe that their family didn't stucked to that situation because eventually their financial assets grow.
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
29 Mar 10
I beg to disagree. His mother was a seafood dealer, not a fish vendor as he would portray. His father was a government official (a Budget Officer from what I've heard) and they had a sizeable combined salary to be able to obtain a 560 SQM property (a property that if bought today would amount to as much as 5.6 million pesos). We cannot call that poor. The fact that his father could afford quality education starting elementary is testament to them having a life which can be considered middle-class. Belittling the efforts of his parents to give them a decent life and making a mockery of it by projecting that as "poor" to the masses is a big slap on the face to them. The fact that he continually lies to the public goes to show how much he is willing to compromise just to get the power he desires.
@uniqueorn (1011)
• Philippines
27 Mar 10
The right term for that would be financially challenged. Even rich people are financially challenged. For poor people, they need money to at least achieve the 3 basic necessities in life. The middle class people need money to satisfy both wants and needs. The rich people need money to gain higher investment in their respective businesses. No one is exempted with it. As for villar, his poor image may have greatly worked for him. However, he is doing the opposite by spending too much for his campaign.
@tokouchi (370)
• Philippines
27 Mar 10
The sad thing is, people still bite his big lie. The biggest liars in the government are most likely the biggest thieves. "Make the big lie, make it simple, keep saying, and eventually they will believe it" -Adolf Hitler