Free Schooling... Isn't that ILLEGAL?
@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
United States
March 27, 2010 3:47pm CST
i watched a documentary on discovery health about extreme parenting and it showed several examples of alternative parenting such as gender neutral and attachment parenting etc but what disturbed me deeply was a new movement of "Free Schooling" NOT to be confused with "Home Schooling" in fact "Free Schooling" is like the anti school!
parents do not enroll their kids in school.. do not teach at home either.. they literally let their kids just walk around and learn from "life experiences"!!!!!! the family they showed as an example (im going to use them just because they are the only people i have ever heard of doing this so if i am incorrect on the facts PLEASE correct me since this is the first i have heard of it)
they did not give their kids bedtimes, choose their food, make them bathe, and no on in their household including parents have more power than the other. so the kids and parents are equal and cannot boss one another room.. i think their kids ages were like 8 and 6 or something similar to where they were both school age but never set foot in one.
i thought that refusing to put your kids in school or to home school them with the correct measures was illegal and like abuse/neglect or something?!? what is scary is that these kids parents were college educated and very intelligent!
how do they expect these kids to get into college? yeah they can do a tests etc but i mean cultural shock much! being able to wake up and do whatever you want to all day to having to sit in a classroom and listen and read a book in a structured environment?? i dont see how this can be anything but harmful..
but maybe i just dont know all the facts.. i myself was home schooled and it really screwed up my life as far as getting jobs and not being taught things etc so i cant imagine being worse than that considering my parents TRIED!
what is your opinion? should free schooling be an option? will street and life smarts top regular studies? do you think its breaking the law? and if you or anyone you know does free schooling please give your opinion on it and its result in the end on how if affected the child
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@pheonixstar1982 (2307)
• United States
1 Apr 10
I respect and support parents who home school their children, if its done right. In your case it was not. But i know a couple who home schools there kids. They have regular school days and homework, it just all done at home. They attend regular activities with kids their own age, and attend activities in the community specifically for other kids that are homeschooled.
However what you are talking about is insane and should be illegal. Kids need routines. Thats just not from experience but i was also taught that in my early childhood development class in college.
I also believe not everyone can learn the same, and certain things have to be taught differently to certain students...but for free schooling i just think its totally insane.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
1 Apr 10
what drives me nuts is seeing other people doing homeschooling the same way i was done and knowing that they are going to have a cruel awakening later on
@pheonixstar1982 (2307)
• United States
1 Apr 10
Wow you agree with me and admit..i am in shock!!
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
28 Mar 10
I've heard of this...someone said it was called 'unschooling'(I had earlier thought unschooling was getting the rules of regular school out of one's head before starting proper homeschooling). In India, there are various schools of thought on alternative schooling..there are schools which follow alternative methods of schooling. We have started homeschooling our 9 year old (it's been more than 6 months now) which isn't even as structured as it is in the US. It's just the family's choice and might become illegal in a month's time (though a few homeschoolers have written to the Minister of Education to make it legal).
Coming back to Free schooling, I feel the kids are too young to know how and what to learn. Having said that, I also believe that each child learn differently (I've been a teacher and come across many learning styles). My husband and I were just discussing this morning how our younger son (who is 3 now) learns more from the things around him (which are not exactly being taught to him)than from us sitting him and teaching him. Till a few months back, he went to the same school that I taught at and his teacher said the same. He would refuse to sit with the group to learn on some days and would prefer to do his own stuff quietly in a corner. She assumed at first he was doing that because he wasn't interested in what they were doing at the time. But while he was playing with his blocks, he was able to grasp everything that was being taught (being a pre-school, it wasn't really 'taught')...and his cognition was much higher than the kids who were sitting in the group! He was able to relate the concepts taught to other things around him. Now that he has been home with me for the past few months and I have the time to really observe him, I've seen that. He doesn't like being 'taught' or being asked to do something. But he's learning a lot more by observing on his own.
I'm not sure about these free schoolers you mentioned....but they probably are the same. I have to say I am worried about my little one at the back of my head...he might be smart but how do we prove that to others if he is not going to take his tests? Anyways, he's too young for me to be worried and I'm still trying to slowly get him into a routine atleast.
I've not met anyone who is free schooling and I've met many homeschoolers (even in India where it's not common and there are no laws governing it) and they have done quite well...and maybe even a better job than if the child went to school.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
31 Mar 10
i think that the homeschooling and schooling alternatives in your country are still way better than freeschooling which is teaching them nothing and letting them run around..
yeah some kids learn better one way and others another.. im one that learns hands on but not by reading instructions
@SViswan (12051)
• India
3 Apr 10
I've been doing some research on this and there are a few families in India who free school. The government has passed a bill and it was enforced on April 1st - RTE (Right to Education). This states that all children need to be educated. This does put us homeschoolers in a fix. Though we are educating our kids, it still isn't legal in India. But I'm hoping this will also force the government to set up something to protect homeschoolers and to have some form of testing to make sure that we are really educating our kids.
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@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
28 Mar 10
in my state it's very illegal-although i think there is some variances for certain religions.the only options you have other than that are homeschooling and private tutor.
you have to submit proof of teaching to the local school departments every so often to prove you're teaching them something.
i guess it depends on the child,but i don't think it's a good idea.in some cases you might end up with a borderline feral child who won't do anything you ask it after awhile.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
31 Mar 10
i think homeschooling can be legal if under the protection of a group and they make them do testing and etc
@kprofgames (3091)
• United States
31 Mar 10
I know this is illegal and have to wonder where anyone would live that would endorse this kind of 'schooling'. I don't see it as any benefit to any child or parent for that matter.
As a parent you have to teach your child structure and responsibility. Structure as far as how the world works and how we work within the world. Responsibility is a never ending learning experience because there is responsiblity with a job, maintaining yourself, your home, your acctions and even how your actions effect those around us.
How in the world is anyone going to learn that if they aren't given the basic tools when they are younger? I'm sure there are self starters out there, but I think if I were living in a home that didn't provide me any learning tools, I would be pretty lost in the adult world.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
1 Apr 10
i wonder if it is illegal because if so why the heck would they be put on tv with everyones faces showing and not get caught? but i cant see this being legal anywhere!
@macdingolinger (10386)
• United States
28 Mar 10
I have never heard of this concept before. And no wonder - it's crazy! No structure at all is not good for anyone. How do the parents afford to pay the bills? If they don't teach their kids structure they won't have the discipline to take on a job later in life. They are not even learning the most basic of life skills. There is no respect taught or modeled. It seems they are damaging their kids by all this.. How do the kids learn to read? How do they do math and other skills they will need to live?
@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
31 Mar 10
it showed their 8 year old trying to read a sign that said free and it took him a few minutes before he could figure it out.. i was reading at 4 so i dont know what the norm is but i think thats pretty bad for an 8 year old
@dminotaur (134)
• Philippines
28 Mar 10
Well, we do have a lot of those here in the Philippines - and i'm not berating my country here, i love it here - it's just a fact of life :) and that fact is us being a 3rd world country. :)
Sorry, just putting some soft humor into such sensitive conversation.
Anyway, back to topic - although school is indeed VERY important, because the idea of it is passing compiled / gathered information to the new generation -- some "Experiences" and "Teachings" may not necessary limit itself inside the four walls of the room -- which is why life experience may also be necessary.
@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
31 Mar 10
i do believe street smarts is very important as book smarts
@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
28 Mar 10
home schooling is not illegal. I worked at an unschool. It was a very good environment for some of them. These were kids who didn't fit in well at school, often they were bullied.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Mar 10
hi moonlitmagikchild wow maybe those parents are just too lazy to take on the roles of real parents, the idea of college trained parents just letting the kids run wild.to me that stupid and horrible and I hope it its illegal. They will not have discipline, and will not know how to act if they can get into college. or working in jobs as they have been left to do whatever they want when they want to.Working for someone else requires a bit of restraint on ones part and some sort of cultural training which they are not getting.I cannot image letting children of that age just run wild without any training or discipline.what you could have is children dirty and wearing filthy clothes, eating fast food, and getting obese and acting little better than wild animals. I really do not like the sound of this free schooling myself. I am going to mylot this and see if I can learn more about it.
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@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
31 Mar 10
its crazy that two people that were smart enough to go to college are so stupid to the fact they are ruining their kids lives
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
29 Mar 10
Well this is off topic, but I have to ask...
Most of the girls and guys I know that are home schooled, loved being home schooled. And turned out very well.
You would be the first home schooled girl I've met who said it screwed up your life.
I'm just curious, do you suppose that your home schooling is what helped you succeed in relationships with your husband? Is it possible what you lacked in career training, you gained in social and relational stability? That seems a pretty good trade in my opinion. I'd rather be broke with a loving wife, than rich and divorced.
It's ironic really. I'm the opposite. I went to an upper middle class high school, and went to college, and what I learned from both, hasn't helped me at all. I work temp jobs, and minimum wage jobs.
I have always wished that my parents had home schooled me. I always envied those that were home schooled. I trace all my problems, back to public schooling. My hatred of people. My dislike of those my own age. My distrust of anyone. My mother to this day tells me that the day when she dropped me off at school, was the last time I smiled for almost 14 years.
What do you think?
@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
1 Apr 10
my parents didnt regular homeschool me. they just picked out books and religious based ones and so when i later in my 20s wanted to go to college and could not i went through it all 4 years of high school again through the mail.. i learned real quick my parents taught me NOTHING of science.. nothing but basic math.. i dont even know how to do a book report.. im awful at english and grammer.. cannot spell for crap.. im not sure how i have a high iq but it definitely wasnt from reading school books from the times of little house on the prairie days..
i also missed out on social interaction.. i am a very social person yet have bad social anxiety.. my parents never took me to be tested anywhere so i have no idea sat or another test schooling wise what i am.. i grew up knowing i was being screwed out of a good education but couldnt do anything about it..
other homeschoolers i know came out just as bad.. one girl at the age of 15 was playing monopoly with me and she had rolled the dice and one was a 5 and she couldnt look at it and know that.. she had to count the dots on the dice to figure that out.. she also was taught less than me and more about how to cook and clean and quilt etc..
out of all my homeschooling friends only 1 made it to college.. the rest have crappy jobs or are barefoot and pregnant because that is all they are capable of or taught to be..
its sad because these parents think they are helping their kids and they are crippling them and even though i am happily married i dont think its even fair to say that i think the lack of knowledge and intelligence that comes from proper learning can be filled in and balanced out by having a good love life etc.. love is priceless but so is knowledge and in my opinion a lot of quality love comes from people that had the knowledge of life to where they can make good partners other wise they may end up in abusive relationships where their significant other uses their ignorance against them and beat the hell out of them all the time..
@pheonixstar1982 (2307)
• United States
1 Apr 10
I trying to figure out how being home schooled can help someone in their marriage. I know a few people who were home schooled and it hindered them socially because they never interacted with others...their whole life evolved around what happens in there home. Not all home schoolers are like that, but alot are...i know in the town i live in there are regular gatherings for the kids that are home schooled, so they can get regular social interaction.
Also, and i mean no disrespect, but i am having trouble understanding how all your problems are due to attending public schools?? How could that have effected your ability to get a better job?? How does homeschooling effect your disdain for society?? At some point after school...you would have to go out a get a job...how does homeschooling effect that. Would you have received a better education during homeschooling??
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@GavinKaos (272)
• United States
1 Apr 10
I do agree that most people have the "grass is greener on the other side" mentality, however I have known people who have done both public school and home school. Most of them chose public school in the end.
I have seen both public school and home school kids get teased for being flat chested or pimply or quiet. There are always jerks out there, you can't protect the kid forever by homeschooling them.
Andy, she doesn't mean to sound like shes insulting barefoot and pregnant, but the chance that is what the person winds up due to not getting the proper education and thats all they know how to do. There are plenty of mothers who are happy being housewives and mothers.
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@bulastika (5966)
• Philippines
28 Mar 10
I'm a conservative type of person. And for me the only way to have education is to enroll in good school like normal kids do. And take a degree in college. How can you learn if your not expose. I never heard of such type of schooling. But for me its not even schooling. For me social welfare must act on this.
Poor children.
@moonlitmagikchild (22181)
• United States
31 Mar 10
i think its abuse.. unless your kids actually want to learn and seek it out there would be no way of a free schooler even learning since no one is doing anything
@prasenjit3 (112)
• India
28 Mar 10
yes free schooling is illegal.i hope devolve it
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