Suggestions or advice for a rescue puppy please.
By MsTickle
@MsTickle (25180)
Australia
March 30, 2010 8:47pm CST
I rescued little Roxy just after Christmas 2009. I thought she might be anything up to a year old but she is still behaving like a young puppy...taking socks and shoes to chew, playing happily with soft toys, digging up the garden.
The problem is a bit complicated. At first, I expected her to poo and wee on the carpet in the loungeroom. It's where most pet accidents have happened. (Luckily, I can put the rug in the tub and wash it and hang it out to rinse with the hose and dry in the sun.)
I had been feeding her regularly with the other pets and then I would take her outside, even though sometimes she would eat very little or nothing. She would neither do a poo or a wee. I would also take her out before bed & again first thing in the morning. Sometime during the morning I would find a poo on the rug every 2 or 3 days. She quite often will not eat her breakfast but she is gaining weight quickly.
I began to put her outside for longer periods. She would run around, have a dig, talk to anyone passing by and be happy. There is always fresh water in the shade for her and she enjoys chewing leaves, and sticks etc. If she does a poo outside she gets this jaunty little happy walk afterwards as if she is very pleased with herself. Her stools are normal and firm & not smelly.
Today, she has not had brekky or done a poo. She is crying every now and then and I'm guessing she is constipated. I caught her the day before yesterday peeing on the mat and I called sharply to her but she didn't stop. She watched as I soaked it up. Then yesterday, I caught her doing a poo and again I called sharply to her but she did not stop. I've noticed when she does a wee it is bright yellow and she rarely drinks. My ideas are leaning towards her former owner scaring her whenever she went potty inappropriately so now she gets to the stage where she is afraid to go and so she gets constipated, so she doesn't eat or drink because that makes it worse. I think by calling to her I frightened her and now she's afraid to go.
It's either that or she maybe has something wrong with her bowel or bladder. I know I should take her to the vet but she has come along so well and I simply don't have any spare money at the moment. I have some big bills coming up and then I will be able to take her to the vet.
Any ideas?
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11 responses
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
31 Mar 10
this is quite scarey. did you try praising her when she did it outside? ive often wondered what to do if a dog gets constipated. once coco had a bad tummy and i took her to the vet just in time. they never said what it was cause they couldnt find a blockage, but they did give me something to keep her tummy settled for a while and antibiotics. i do hope she will be ok and you get some answers here.
@GardenGerty (160883)
• United States
31 Mar 10
I guess the vets around here have people give their dogs canned pumpkin with their food. It does not hurt them, is very nutritious and is high in fiber.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
31 Mar 10
Oh yes bunny, I praise her but she is obviously feeling really pleased with herself when she goes...she has this jaunty air about her. At least their is no blood in her stools so it is not terribly serious.
GG, I've offered her my roast pumpkin skin when I've finished my dinner and she's not fussed. She's not too keen on her veggies, she always leaves a few peas, pieces of corn and also pieces of carrot when she has her dinner...
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
20 May 10
i wonder if she would drink more if you put a touch of chicken broth or something like that in her own little water bowl?
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
31 Mar 10
Hey MsTickle! I think you may have diagnosed Roxy's problem on
your own! She may have been an abused dog and if what you say
is right then she may be afraid to eat or drink for fear of
having to pee or poop! I think she is scared and you have to
be very gentle with her! She needs to feel loved and made to
feel not afraid when she goes to do these things even if it is
in the wrong places until you can train her to do them in the
right places! She really sounds like she was abused and I feel
so badly for her! And you are such a sweet and patient lady so
you know how that goes! Maybe with time and patience you can
teach her to go where she needs to and do what she needs to do
without the help of vet! I think she just needs some nice quiet
and caring help! I know that you can help her!
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
31 Mar 10
Thanks Opal honey. Roxy is a darling lil baby and she's very sweet with a lovely nature. I have been reading responses and thinking and I have come down to the fact that Roxy doesn't drink enough. This may be the crux of the matter. I'm hoping I can fix things soon before Winter sets in so that she can dash outside and go and dash back inside where it's warm.
She is a lot more sure of herself than she was and a lot less skittish and she gets very excited when things happen which was not the case at first. But - she still gets scared very easily when she's not sure of something. Like a sudden move or sound. I'm confident that all that will change though. Thanks for those lovely words of encouragement and support.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
31 Mar 10
Yes, I think they learn from older dogs but mine don't drink the water inside very often...cos they are mainly outside for one thing.
I wonder if sprinkling vinegar on my rug will work?? The only thing is, I don't particularly want my lounge room top smell of vinegar
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
31 Mar 10
coco wasnt trained when i got her. but luckily i had a doggy door and another dog that showed her how it worked. plus my son said to clean any mess with vinegar. they wont go back there then. of course now she hates any smell of vinegar but it all together worked and i never had to yell at her just say quitely bad girl, go outside.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
31 Mar 10
Hi MsTickle
You might be right about her being scared
I would try to encourage her when she is outside to do a wee and poo and when she does reward with a little treat, if she does it in the House do not shout I know that is a normal reaction, but try not to walk up to her and say in a stern voice that she is a naughty Girl, take her outside and tell her that is where she has to do it
Food wise, find out what she likes, Gissi will only have Winalot Chicken in Jelly he will not have anything else which the Vet has told me is a good Diet
If none of that works then do take her to the vet
Also watch out that there is no blood in the wee or Pee
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
31 Mar 10
Well that already sounds great
Maybe if you do that with her for a while she will soon realise but her eating sounds great
Gissi asked if you would send him some porridge to lol
No that is great though and her food is fine I have never trained Gissi with treats s he is fussy with them lol but he always gets praised and that works fine for him, mainly when he is good not being on the lead and staying next to me
Lol they are obedient in their own little ways lol
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
31 Mar 10
Hi gabs, Hi gissi....how are you both? Gabs, my little bundle doesn't react to treats and neither does Lucy. They just scoff them down and look for more. I have never been able to train a dog using treats.
As for food, all the dogs and also the cat love the chicken and veggie porridge I make. It has lots of water in it so it's not that she's lacking fluids. I always give her a little bit of salmon or tuna when I have some and she loves that so I think her previous owner must have shared those things with her. She loves whatever wet cat food Banjo is having so in the mornings I mix some of her puppy dry food with a little of Banjo's food and she normally scoffs it down either straight away or a little while later in the morning.
This morning, we got up when Pickles started to make a racket....I fed Lucy, fed the goats, Banjo came in so I fed him, I took Roxy out and walked around with her, came back in and gave her some brekky - dry dog food with some cat food, just a tiny bit which she ate so I gave her some more which she also ate. Then I took her out again and walked around and I came in without her. She sat outside the sliding door and so I went to see if she wanted to come in. She came in and now she is back on my bed....resting. Usually, now is the time she is playing with all her soft toys in this room where I am. I'm guessing she went to the bathroom at some time while we were outside...she does it so quickly I think that's how come I miss seeing her do it. Yes, I've checked for blood and she is clear. She even had a little drink of water last night. I know I'm just being slightly over anxious but we just want our little ones to be happy and comfy and obedient...ha ha. Like that's ever going to happen
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@GardenGerty (160883)
• United States
31 Mar 10
With the bright yellow urine I would say dehydration. I have read the responses through the first page, and I see that you think what I think, which is constipation. Around here the vet recommends canned pumpkin in dog food for this situation. My cats, if you remember, craved butternut squash soup, and I gave it to them. It does the same thing. My cat that tends to have "accidents" in one particular area is the one who cried for the squash. He does not leave me those surprises any more if he is getting squash or pumpkin. Peanut butter might help lubricate her bowels.If she does not drink water, perhaps some broth or soup would get her to drink enough to help with the problem as well.If she is feeling bloated she just may not feel like drinking.
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@GardenGerty (160883)
• United States
31 Mar 10
My cats eat the fresh squash soup that I make for hubby and me. A little salt in her diet might make her crave fresh water.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
31 Mar 10
I've done some reading GG and she is getting plenty of water in the food she eats...she is not dehydrated. She actually took a drink of water about 20 minutes ago, it was just 3 laps but it was something.
I think I'm back to trying to correct any abuse or inappropriate training she has received previously.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
31 Mar 10
I make the dogs a mixture of meat, oats, barley, and vegetables with some concentrated soup for flavouring. There is about 4 litres of water in the mix and when I dish it up with the dry food I mix some water with it to bring it to room temperature. I think they still need water. Tess mentioned some oat and peanut butter dog biscuits which I've never seen and I've never seen canned pumpkin either. Or butternut squash soup. I could give it to them if I could make it fresh.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the dehydration...that's causing her stool to be dry and then it hurts her.
I mixed her up some peanut butter, oats and olive oil but she had just eaten her breakfast...then she went outside and did a poo.
I'm thinking I have to figure out a way to get her to drink fresh water...on its own, not mixed with anything.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
30 Apr 10
Wekk I hope every thing is getting better now as I have no idea what you could do to make her eat and drink wasd wondering tho if you have wormed her to see if she may have aq stopage there?
and needs to drink too pee reg. altho I have noticed alot of dogs I have had has bright yellow pee and smelly but they go al the time so I dont worry . as I have said hope things are going better noe hugssssssssssssssssssss
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
30 Apr 10
Things are good now thanks Lakota. She waits till the other dogs finish their meal before she eats but she is eating properly and going outside. If the door is shut and she goes to go inside, she comes at a run when I call and rushes outside. She's so cute.
@tessah (6617)
• United States
31 Mar 10
this phase may happen with children as well.. it did with mine (thanx to her older sister telling her that the bugs in the bathroom would eat her toes. so she was afraid to even be IN the bathroom causeing same outcome) you can try to do what i did with her.. with a twist.
with the sprite.. a friend had me give her coffee. it made her go whether she wanted to or not.. and i was able to prove to her that it was OK and no bugs were gonna eat her. but getting her to that point was a frigen adventure lemme tell ya.. she was tryin to go with her feet up as igh as she could hold them (which. at 4 years old.. theyre rather flexible little dickens, so she had her legs up round the back of her head .
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@tessah (6617)
• United States
31 Mar 10
critters and people arent much different really. they made need different things to get same problems taken care of.. but what it boils down to really.. is everyonem critter or human, gotta eat and gotta poop to be healthy. with people its easier to retrain yer body, we are more intelligent in some aspects that we can be told something and understand what needs doing.. and do it. you cant tell the mutt that shes gotta get more fiber and should try to go at same time everyday to retrain her system back to rights. but you CAN observe her actions, as youve been doing, and you CAN try to systematically get her on a schedule to well-being. feed her foods you KNOW she will scarf down.. and mix in some fiberish stuffs with it to get her system cleaning out. im sure they have recipes online for them biscuits.. really not sure if it was the oatmeal or the peanutbutter or something else in them that made mine go like crazy.. but something did. i found them at a cumberland farms.. dunno if you have them where you are. worse comes to worse? i pick you up a few and ship em out cant hurt to try either way
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
31 Mar 10
I'm travelling to see Dad in a few weeks and I always visit this huge pet store for supplies...I'll see what they have. She ended up eating her food a little while after I posted the discussion, then about 3 minutes later she went to the door so I let her out. She did her business and she obviously felt much better. I was making her up a small amount of peanut butter, rolled oats and olive oil at the time but she hasn't eaten it.
When I got her, she didn't behave like an animal who had gone hungry. She was just very skittish. She's a lot happier now but still tends to be easily jumpy. She eats regular food at regular times ...sometimes she eats, sometimes she waits till the others are finished. Sometimes she will barely nibble at her food then an hour later when I look the bowl is clean...the other dogs are not around when this happens so I know it's her eating it. I read up a bit and she gets plenty of fluid within the food I make her. When I give her dry food only, half the time I wet it.
I'm beginning to think it is her early conditioning that's causing her to be this way. It's just a matter of time I reckon till we get things sorted and on an even keel. Thanks so much for your thoughtfulness. .
@EvrWonder (3571)
• Canada
2 Apr 10
Hi MsTickle, sorry that I haven't responded earlier. I have been away.
Do not worry hugely.
You know I have a puppy as well who was from a bad background. She had accidents at first and was shaking like a leaf when I discovered it.
I simply ignored her. I didn't say anything but cleaned it up. When she was still shaking I told her, It's Okay.
Often times when my dog isn't drinking often or pooing regularly it is because she isn't exercising enough. Just placing her outside in the yard isn't enough. She needs to go for a long walk and will poo twice and pee a few times. She will drink water when we get back into the car (We drive to the bark park).
She will eat dinner no problem. I take her for a good long walk daily.
Dogs need this routine.
With the long walks she will naturally poo. She will drink water as well.
get a regualr routine.
If the dog doesn't seem interested in breakfast, get a food that she really likes, like a dog cookie and tell her, "cookie". let her watch you crush it up and add it to the breakfast she isn't eating. This works for me everytime.
The reason your dog is going to the bathroom in the house is because she is not getting outside, regularly enough and for a decent amount of exercise, meaning a good long walk. This will clean her out.
I do not feel that your dog has any internal medical problems.
Make a day, encourage her to eat breakfast after taking her out for a quick potty. Then let her rest for a bit after breaky then scoop her up and take her for a good long walk in the forest, along a beach or whatever. Go for at least an hour. Have water in the car with a dish to dispense to. Offer it to her after the walk.
Likely she will pee several times and will poo at least once. If not, make another day, preferable the next and do the same routine again. Dogs love routine.
You will see what I mean if you can get out for a long walk daily. She will get accustomed to the routine and will go potty.
She is not pooing daily because she is not exercising enough.
She is likely not eating breaky because she is constipated. Instead of giving her something to help her relieve herself, go for the exercise. You will benefit too.
You can help her be regular by adding a touch of oat bran to her breakfast and or dinner. I use about 1/2 tsp to 1/2 cup food. Keeps her regular, her stools firm and less trips to the vet for gland extraction. Yippie!
If you must, give the little one a small amount 1/4 to 1/2 tsp of olive oil mixed in with her food. Do not use too much or her stool will be way too runny.
Bottom line MsTickle, the dog needs more exercise and I don't mean running around the backyard, stopping when she wants to chew a stick or whatever, romping to greet passersby. I mean a good walk, on a leash for about one hour. Daily.
My dog eats breakfast and lunch now. As you know I cook for my dog still. She can have kibble as often as she wants as much as she wants daily and always has a supply of fresh clean water. Typically she will poo twice daily. Put food in it will come out sort of a thing.
If she pooed in the morning before breaky she likely wont poo again on the long walk but she will still walk and may or may not go poo again. She will have dinner and may or may not poo on her potty outside before bed.
Routine is really important for dogs. Walks are essential.
If she seems uninterested in her food in the morning, another thing to try is to simply move her dish. I always feed the dog on the same plate for her cooked food.
When we are out of town sometimes she wont eat off of a different plate but I find if I simply move it to a different location she is good to go. Strange. it is a daily thing trying to understand my dog but is fun.
Well we must head out for a walk here soon. it has been 100K winds and rain so is a challenge to even get her out the door but she has to go so we will find a treed forest to walk in, using the big cedar trees as our umbrella. Good luck and let me know how things work out should you go ahead with any of these suggestions. Cheers and Happy Tails.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
11 Apr 10
Things are going well thanks Evr. Your little Roxy sounds like she is your precious child and much beloved.
Things are going well with my Roxy. She has put on lot's of weight and no longer looks like a skinny, bony, drowned rat. We have hardly any accidents now as she lets me know she needs to go outside. Sadly, walking is out for me at this time as I'm confined to barracks, I have a sore foot which I'm supposed to rest which is impossible so my condition is exacerbated whenever I walk.
Roxy won't move with a lead on and so I'm trying to teach her to come to heel. That's a bit hard when she rarely comes when I call...only if it suits her. She doesn't seem to understand the rewards and treats concept. I keep trying even though I'm not getting anywhere
I know how important routine is for a dog but Roxy seems to not worry too much about it. I find with little dogs, that the more you try to impose your will, the more stubborn they can become
@recycledgoth (9894)
•
31 Mar 10
Aw poor little Roxy, lucky she has you for Mum though hun. Having read through your discussion I am also wondering if the problem is dehydration. When my Mum's dog had problems she was given a sachet of Dioralite, a kind of rehydration powder mixed with a little water. It is often given to babies, so it should be fine for little Roxy
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
31 Mar 10
Hi sweety. I've been reading too and I read about that stuff I can give her. However, she seems to be getting plenty of fluid in the food she eats.
I'm back to thinking I have to let her be outside more so she can go potty outside rather than in. I think I upset her when I shouted to her. We have winter coming though and I tend to let the animals be inside during really cold weather.
I'm just remembering...the other day she went to the closed door and looked over at me. I happened to glance up just at the right time and I let her out. She went round the corner and did her business and then looked real pleased with herself.
When she goes in the lounge room on the rug, she must be caught short and having to go suddenly. It fits in with being roused on for going in the wrong place in the past.
We'll get there. I'm just worrying like any Mum with a new baby...lol.
@nova1945 (1612)
• United States
31 Mar 10
Naturally, I recommend she see a vet. But I do understand your financial dilema. I have 2 cats and a dog and it is certainly not cheap for vet visits. You may be right about the water, but also if she is chewing on sticks she may have ingested some and caused an obstruction in her bowels. Has she been wormed? That is something you can do at home (no vet required.)
You might also try putting a little lubricant (like vaseline or butter) on her nose so she licks it off and lubricates her intestines to make passing poo easier.
Good luck and I hope things get easier for Roxy.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
31 Mar 10
Hi nova 1945...I've reached a conclusion that she's getting enough fluids and that she's been conditioned to react to a tone of voice and also to hold her bladder etc. It's what I first thought and now I'm back to that idea.
However, it's one thing to be patient and another thing to get her potty trained as soon as possible.
My first inclination with a new pet is always to go straight to the vet. The last time I took my dog Lucy, she had cut one of her foot pads. It had stopped bleeding and the vet just cut the flap off...no dressing or bandage as I said I could do that as necessary but he charged me $50. I was in there for less than 5 minutes. Living nearly an hour out of town where the vet is, adds to the cost. That was about 2 years ago, imagine how much a visit costs these days?
Roxy is fine...she's become a plump little bundle of happiness and energy. I just worry about all my critters every now and then.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
1 Apr 10
mstickle I would scrape money from somewhere and get Roxy
to a vet you know is reliable as that crying sounds like
she is constipated and in pain. she may have an impaction
and the vet will have to unimpact her. that can h appen to
a puppy just like it happens to a human being, and it has
to be removed so she can have normal bowel movements again.
so go see your vet, and plead with him or her to wait til
you get your big bills in. hope this helps .good luck
@EvrWonder (3571)
• Canada
2 Apr 10
Glad to read your comment to this response Mstickle. If you ever have troubles like this again, try some of what I have suggested before starting to worry.
Vets are expensive and much of the time a visit is not necessary. We must know how to read our dogs and to try and understand their needs from a dogs point of view. My pup has now began to be able to tell me when she wants to go outside and even when she is ready to go to bed. Lol. She's training me.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
1 Apr 10
Hatley, I'm pleased to tell you she is fine again. She ate the rest of her food, did a poo (outside) and had a drink of water a little while after I posted the discussion. Today, she is very much back to normal. I think her previous owner must have roused on her when she went to the bathroom in the wrong place and so she holds it. She likes being outside (and I think she is used to being outside mostly) and I keep her in a fair bit and so she is confused.
The other thing is, I do have the money to pay the vet and my car rego and insurance but the vet charges such a lot. I'll be taking her to be spayed soon and he can check her over then but I'm sure she's basically a healthy little pup. Thanks so much for thinking of us.
@jea_pinka08 (131)
• Philippines
31 Mar 10
Give her a spoon of sugar. That's what I do when my puppy does like that. If it didn't work kindly take her to the vet. That's the only thing that you can do. Consult the vet.
@jea_pinka08 (131)
• Philippines
31 Mar 10
Constipating! That's what I mean. You don't need to be afraid sugar i only a medicine for constipation for dogs. If you want, after you give him sugar you brush his teeth. :)